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  • lpdev

    I see a new MLB promo listed on DK today. I’m not sure what they are thinking with this one. They need to make some adjustments to make the scoring more skill-based and less bankroll based. It seems to me that the few players that are able to enter every single contest will default to the top every week. I’m not sure that’s the kind of results you would want in a promo. It appears to be a 1 million FPP / week donation to Awesemo/Youdacao. Maybe I’m overlooking something in the scoring. Any thoughts?

  • bigez952

    @lpdev said...

    I see a new MLB promo listed on DK today. I’m not sure what they are thinking with this one. They need to make some adjustments to make the scoring more skill-based and less bankroll based. It seems to me that the few players that are able to enter every single contest will default to the top every week. I’m not sure that’s the kind of results you would want in a promo. It appears to be a 1 million FPP / week donation to Awesemo/Youdacao. Maybe I’m overlooking something in the scoring. Any thoughts?

    Nothing new as all of their promos are geared towards mass multi entry guys who play every contest. Look at their Big League Achievements where most of the top prizes are unattainable unless your playing 300-400 lineups per day. Same goes for the PGA handicap promo which if you mass multi enter you will see a much better benefit then just doing a single entry every week.

    I do agree advertising these promos that only benefit 50-100 users really doesn’t make sense and they would be better off just giving them perks behinds the sense instead of trying to make it seem like everyone has a fair shot even if you only play 1 lineup per day.

  • lpdev

    I agree, that was my thought as well. If they wanted to give more to their top few VIP players, they can do that behind the scenes. I figured the idea with the promo was to attract more play from people that don’t already maximize their play. I’m not sure that will work out with the way they are scoring it.

    I think the Big League Achievements works well. I won’t get close to the top tier on many of them but they have gotten more play out of me on some of the different game modes. Everyone is able to get something back on that. It doesn’t require a huge bankroll, just persistence and some strategy. For many of them, you get the same points for entering a $.25 entry contest as a $5000 entry contest.

  • lpdev

    I think it would work better if they capped the number of scores that counted per week. Or maybe only had specific contests that counted. That way the winners aren’t strictly determined by volume of play.

  • lpdev

    The day 1 rankings are out now. Already showing a huge volume-based gap at the top.

  • bigez952

    @lpdev said...

    The day 1 rankings are out now. Already showing a huge volume-based gap at the top.

    With the calculator they give you to see “how many points you can earn” I found out I could play my normal GPP everyday and win it 100% of the time and I still be outside the top 50 lol. Safe to say this promotion does nothing for me.

  • yisman

    @bigez952 said...

    With the calculator they give you to see “how many points you can earn” I found out I could play my normal GPP everyday and win it 100% of the time and I still be outside the top 50 lol. Safe to say this promotion does nothing for me.

    haha, classic.

    I hate how everything is slanted towards mass entry players, but I suppose RG started the trend.

    Play 150 lineups a day and RG will say you are a top ranked pro, even if your ROI is miserable.

  • rausch180

    Can see the idea behind it being ok as it gets people engaged across the week and maybe playing that extra slate, or showdown, pickem, arcade if challenging for a leaderboard place, but the execution seems really poor.

    Leaderboards split in to tiers based on volume, perhaps leaderboards for each game type, more positions paying out FPPs, but mostly importantly top x point finishes to count. Even then that still rewards volume disproportionately as you’re more likely to get a higher finish in something with more entries. Maybe some sort of points for finishes divided by entries.

    Looking at the $33 Fastball from last night, if I did the maths right, then 19 people max entered and only 2 finished in profit. 16 got back less than or equal to half the buyins they put in. Yet the top of the leaderboard is covered with them! They may have done well in other tournaments, cash, non-classic slates, but it seems massively set up to reward quantity rather than quality.

  • bigez952

    @rausch180 said...

    Can see the idea behind it being ok as it gets people engaged across the week and maybe playing that extra slate, or showdown, pickem, arcade if challenging for a leaderboard place, but the execution seems really poor.

    I can’t imagine anyone would play an extra slate thinking they have a legit shot to win this promo or even make the top 100 of this leaderboard. Especially with the calculator they have avialble to see “how much you can win”. I play the $12 single entry base hit nearly every day and it has approximately 3000 players so a win in that GPP is worth 112 points. However the leader is over 5000+ points in just the first day.

    Oh well at the end of the day it doesn’t affect my play and is worth a good laugh about how everyone has a shot to win and see how many points you can earn today calculator they have going.

  • rausch180

    @bigez952 said...

    I can’t imagine anyone would play an extra slate thinking they have a legit shot to win this promo or even make the top 100 of this leaderboard.

    For sure, I meant if it was executed in a reasonable way then it may have encouraged someone to play more if they had a legit chance of improving their position. However, there is no chance of doing that with the formula or the fact you need to be top 3.

  • lpdev

    Just for fun I threw some numbers in their calculator for the Solo Shot on the main slate.

    At $1/entry – 20 max – 5945 Total Entries:
    Entering 20 times and finishing in dead last is worth -> 1.1 * 20 = 22pts
    Entering 1 time and finishing 15th out of 5945 is worth -> 21.84pts

    So it’s better to throw away $20 than to build a solid $1 lineup and have an impressive finish.

  • lpdev

    So volume is good and the entry fee doesn’t seem to have much impact on the points you receive. I’m going to run a little experiment where I max enter every single low entry fee contest I can find. The $1 and $0.25 stuff. Most of these contests don’t allow the sharks to enter. I’ll see if I can put myself up near the top for tomorrow.

  • BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX

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      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #2

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x4

      2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    You should receive negative points for those lineups that don’t cash, imo

  • yisman

    Just curious to see what I can do here.

    I was not aware of this yesterday so I played my standard single lineup.

    Today I am going to play a bunch of lineups.

    here’s where I am:

    RANK
    2122
    POINTS
    55.99

  • yisman

    @BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX said...

    You should receive negative points for those lineups that don’t cash, imo

    well, yes, but it’s the same idea as RG’s rankings

    these things aren’t meant to reward skill, they’ll meant to reward max entering.

  • BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX

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      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #2

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x4

      2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    @yisman said...

    well, yes, but it’s the same idea as RG’s rankings

    these things aren’t meant to reward skill, they’ll meant to reward max entering.

    .

  • yisman

    @BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX said...

    RG doesn’t have access to losing entry data. DK can leverage all contest history and create a ranking system based around ROI.

    RG does. For DK. See ResultsDB.

  • KindGuy

    @yisman said...

    RG does. For DK. See ResultsDB.

    Bingo

  • yisman

    that was a massive failure

    I max entered a few low dollar contests but it took so much time to create those and then edit them as West Coast lineups rolled in that I didn’t get to play my usual action (normally enter yahoo/fantasydraft/DK contests whatever is open close to lock)

  • BRORANNOSAURUS_FLEX

    • 31

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #2

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x4

      2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    @yisman said...

    RG does. For DK. See ResultsDB.

    You’re right, I was following this tidbit in the rankings FAQ.

    “Why doesn’t RotoGrinders utilize a Return on Investment (ROI) rankings model?

    In compliance with privacy concerns issued by the major Daily Fantasy sites, we only receive a player’s winning results. We have created what we are confident is the best rankings system based on given constraints.”

  • yisman

    very outdated FAQ, apparently.

    I don’t think that was the original reason anyway, that was an excuse

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Not everything has to be for everybody. I don’t see the point in complaining, especially since they rolled out the achivement promotion which can provide extra value for most any player.

    If it’s stupid in any way, it’s likely stupid that this structure is unlikely to change the playing habits of 99% of players. In that regard I think it is fair to be critical, and would have been much better to have some sort of tiers as others suggested.
    That said, I don’t really feel like I’m missing out and it’s fine…maybe if they give those players atop that leaderboard enough points it will keep them out of my small quarter leagues…That would be better than a promotion.

  • yisman

    @yisman said...

    Just curious to see what I can do here.

    I was not aware of this yesterday so I played my standard single lineup.

    Today I am going to play a bunch of lineups.

    here’s where I am:

    RANK
    2122
    POINTS
    55.99

    max entered four contests

    now:

    RANK
    239
    POINTS
    607.47

  • lpdev

    I played all the low dollar contests I could enter and had some good finishes yesterday. Made a decent jump in points but not even close to competing with the top few players. I did make it to 11th place though.

  • 2Slik

    @lpdev said...

    Just for fun I threw some numbers in their calculator for the Solo Shot on the main slate.

    At $1/entry – 20 max – 5945 Total Entries:
    Entering 20 times and finishing in dead last is worth -> 1.1 * 20 = 22pts
    Entering 1 time and finishing 15th out of 5945 is worth -> 21.84pts

    So it’s better to throw away $20 than to build a solid $1 lineup and have an impressive finish.

    I’m sure it’s an error to the calculator only but if you use $.25 games as a test case you will see they aren’t registering the decimal point. Essentially returning the same value $25 would.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @lpdev said...

    I see a new MLB promo listed on DK today. I’m not sure what they are thinking with this one. They need to make some adjustments to make the scoring more skill-based and less bankroll based. It seems to me that the few players that are able to enter every single contest will default to the top every week. I’m not sure that’s the kind of results you would want in a promo. It appears to be a 1 million FPP / week donation to Awesemo/Youdacao. Maybe I’m overlooking something in the scoring. Any thoughts?

    Hi ipdev. Chase for the Crown is just one option we offer from a wide range of promotions. The Chase for the Crown promotion was aimed to address the needs of the higher volume players and those who aspire to play a higher volume. We also offer many other promotions that are aimed at the overall community of players which would not necessarily appeal to higher volume players. Our goal is to have options for the widest range of players possible. For example, our recently launched Big League Achievements promotion allows you to earn FPPs for completing daily tasks and season long achievements. https://www.draftkings.com/lp/2018-big-league-achievements

    We want you to know that your opinion will be shared with our promotions and operations teams. Like all of our promotions, the results are constantly being reviewed. Our analysts will look all available data as we continue to refine to create the most fair, fun, daily fantasy sports experience possible.

    - Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

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