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  • einars

    https://www.draftkings.com/lp/esports

    good grief, for real???

  • spartans22

    @speddie said...

    The tournaments now-a-days are not held online, thus no risk of DDosing. The tournaments are held at venues, such as Staples Center, Madison Square Garden, Mercedes-Benz Arena (Germany), and last year the World Championships were held at Seoul World Cup Stadium. Imagine Dragons also opened up the show last year.

    The 2015 League of Legends world championships start in October, with the world finals this year being held in Germany on 10/31. Teams from around the world have played through their regular seasons in their respective regions, and will all meet up to crown the world champion. First place takes home 1Million.

    I have been an avid follower of eSports for a few years now, so if anyone has any glaring questions I can try my best to answer them. All I would say is don’t be so naive with this, there is a HUGE market for this. The championships will draw millions of viewers world wide and sell out every arena they touch.

    My only question, and I seriously mean this in a respectful way, is can you or any of the other fans honestly call this a sport with a straight face or do you guys hate it just as much as everyone else that they call it a sport?

  • hendry

    @spartans22 said...

    My only question, and I seriously mean this in a respectful way, is can you or any of the other fans honestly call this a sport with a straight face or do you guys hate it just as much as everyone else that they call it a sport?

    no. but i can call it an eSport.

  • speddie

    @spartans22 said...

    My only question, and I seriously mean this in a respectful way, is can you or any of the other fans honestly call this a sport with a straight face or do you guys hate it just as much as everyone else that they call it a sport?

    I guess my response would be, why does it matter if I, or anyone, calls it a sport? eSports is a sport in the same way that nascar is a sport, that golf is a sport, that baseball is a sport. It’s an extremely competitive game that people make a living off of, and millions of people world wide get entertainment out of not only watching it, but playing it. The pros spend their lives being good at League of Legends and preparing for matches, in the same way MLB players spend their lives getting better at the game of baseball.

    eSports fans don’t need the “approval” of the mass media, they have gotten this far without it. ESPN is just now coming around to the idea, and now Draftkings is on board. Diehard fans could honestly care less what people consider it, they just love the game and love the competition.

  • Priptonite

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    @speddie said...

    I guess my response would be, why does it matter if I, or anyone, calls it a sport? eSports is a sport in the same way that nascar is a sport, that golf is a sport, that baseball is a sport. It’s an extremely competitive game that people make a living off of, and millions of people world wide get entertainment out of not only watching it, but playing it. The pros spend their lives being good at League of Legends and preparing for matches, in the same way MLB players spend their lives getting better at the game of baseball.

    eSports fans don’t need the “approval” of the mass media, they have gotten this far without it. ESPN is just now coming around to the idea, and now Draftkings is on board. Diehard fans could honestly care less what people consider it, they just love the game and love the competition.

  • Sol88

    @speddie said...

    I guess my response would be, why does it matter if I, or anyone, calls it a sport? eSports is a sport in the same way that nascar is a sport, that golf is a sport, that baseball is a sport. It’s an extremely competitive game that people make a living off of, and millions of people world wide get entertainment out of not only watching it, but playing it. The pros spend their lives being good at League of Legends and preparing for matches, in the same way MLB players spend their lives getting better at the game of baseball.

    eSports fans don’t need the “approval” of the mass media, they have gotten this far without it. ESPN is just now coming around to the idea, and now Draftkings is on board. Diehard fans could honestly care less what people consider it, they just love the game and love the competition.

    Damn, hiding my gif in shame. Someone beat me to it while I was searchign for this: http://i.imgur.com/qQLfHCr.gif

  • spartans22

    @speddie said...

    I guess my response would be, why does it matter if I, or anyone, calls it a sport? eSports is a sport in the same way that nascar is a sport, that golf is a sport, that baseball is a sport. It’s an extremely competitive game that people make a living off of, and millions of people world wide get entertainment out of not only watching it, but playing it. The pros spend their lives being good at League of Legends and preparing for matches, in the same way MLB players spend their lives getting better at the game of baseball.

    eSports fans don’t need the “approval” of the mass media, they have gotten this far without it. ESPN is just now coming around to the idea, and now Draftkings is on board. Diehard fans could honestly care less what people consider it, they just love the game and love the competition.

    Like I said I wasn’t trying to disrespect your game in any way, just with everything the GCB has against DFS it is a little worrisome to see DK pick up something that isn’t a sport in any way. The definition of a sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill, and while I’m not a big fan of Nascar and don’t play dfs golf, both have been proven to involve physical exertion. I’m also worried because I would imagine a large majority of the people who play/follow the video game are kids under 18 but I could definitely be wrong. Other than that I have no problem with it and think its great to bring different crowds to DFS.

  • impurityz

    Awesome, huge market for e-sports
    Will be very interesting what games they do.
    Will they get into Halo, CoD, Gears or only PC games?
    If you salary cap a player how do you base their points? Off their wins as a team or at the individual level based on that specific game? Will be looking forward to seeing the details come out.

    Just looked:
    Guess scoring will be based on the individual game

  • speddie

    @spartans22 said...

    Like I said I wasn’t trying to disrespect your game in any way, just with everything the GCB has against DFS it is a little worrisome to see DK pick up something that isn’t a sport in any way. The definition of a sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill, and while I’m not a big fan of Nascar and don’t play dfs golf, both have been proven to involve physical exertion. I’m also worried because I would imagine a large majority of the people who play/follow the video game are kids under 18 but I could definitely be wrong. Other than that I have no problem with it and think its great to bring different crowds to DFS.

    No disrespect taken btw.

    I think it’s a stretch to say it isn’t a sport in “any way.” If you continued your definition of sport, it would read something like “in which a team or individual competes against another or others for entertainment.” That fits eSports pretty much to a tee. And like I said, why get caught up in defining it as a sport or not? It’s a competitive atmosphere in which the best players of that game are paid to play the game professionally and to provide massive entertainment world wide. People smarter than me could get in to physical traits that are required to be extremely good at video games, but there has been research and there are articles you can read that talk about that topic.

    The average viewer of the League of Legends championship last year were males, aged 18-24. That is also the age range of the pro players. I get why you think the kids are under 18 though, that is a stereotype that a lot of gamers dislike, but not much can be done about that.

  • stephenly

    Time to shine boys

  • Nookx

    Awesome news

  • AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

    DK is just swooping in to take the action that already exists in this. There have been other DFS esports sites out there, so this was a logical step to take.

    That said, I don’t think we’ll be seeing any League of Legends Millionaire Maker events any time soon.

  • ActionJunkie

    @CrazyGabey said...

    eSports has a massive global following, but because of it’s extremely unique nature it seems like it may be the most inaccessible DFS platform yet. Those who already follow it will definitely play, but what about those who know nothing about it?

    Will you be willing to dive into daily fantasy eSports?

    Magic players would.

    MTG next? lol”

    Hell yeah.

  • Yukerboy

    • Blogger of the Month

    I prejudged until I read the thread. Shame on me.

    The eSports arena is just another avenue to draw people to DFS. Why would I be against that?

    Now, dear DraftKings, THE WNBA PLEASE!

  • Ryazan

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    @Yukerboy said...

    I prejudged until I read the thread. Shame on me.

    The eSports arena is just another avenue to draw people to DFS. Why would I be against that?

    Now, dear DraftKings, THE WNBA PLEASE!

    WWE DFS would work. Matches are scripted, but we still don’t know winners ahead of time, and DFS scoring could still count like in MMA – strikes, submissions, win by pinfall, win by dq, ect ect

  • Yukerboy

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Ryazan said...

    WWE DFS would work. Matches are scripted, but we still don’t know winners ahead of time, and DFS scoring could still count like in MMA – strikes, submissions, win by pinfall, win by dq, ect ect

    Chair shots 50 points. Broken tables 150 points. Thrown from the top of the cell 1000000 points.

  • sethayates

    So, is DraftKings still contending that eSports are legal because of the UIGEA or are they just basically saying they don’t care anymore?

  • huitcinq

    As someone who made $3k betting on the Dota 2 International I am all for this.

    I don’t know anything about LoL though. Hopefully they add Dota 2 eventually. Though LoL is more convenient for DFS since it’s such a static metagame.

  • spartans22

    @sethayates said...

    So, is DraftKings still contending that eSports are legal because of the UIGEA or are they just basically saying they don’t care anymore?

    Wondering the same thing. Maybe since they have espn on their side they just DGAF anymore

  • stephenly

    This ended up being a bit longer than I initially intended. Sorry for the wall of text and any typos. I may sit down for a gulp blog post at some point if nobody else addresses some of the basics before I have more time.

    A couple thoughts after looking at DK’s roster/scoring.

    -I’m not surprised a “big fish” company has decided to get into daily fantasy esports. As others have mentioned in this thread, there are several other sites with similar offerings. However, none have anywhere near the market share DK does. Should be interesting to see the size of the initial tournaments.

    - Why get in to League of Legends now? The Season 5 World Championships start on October 1. The League of Legends season has basically been going on since around February (different regions around the world have different schedules/formats similar kind of like domestic soccer leauges). While the upcoming tournament is definitely the largest, there are only 16 teams in the entire tournament (and only have of them make it out of the round robin group stage). With 5 people per roster, this is a relatively small player pool. I’m sure they wanted to get the largest exposure point, but they missed out on basically 8 months of competitive League of Legends (with many more teams and players… all 5 major regions have their games live broadcasted on streaming sites like twitch).

    - Nothing surprising on the rosters. This is a copy of Riot’s season long roster format. The only downside with rosters this big is that there will be a LOT of roster overlap in my opinion. In general people will be flexing either mid or adc players (for reasons not worth getting into here), so with the already small player pool of 80 players I expect a ton of overlap. This is the biggest concern in my opinion. There are only two weeks of group stages at Worlds. Once the semifinal round starts, there will only be 20(ish… there are substitutes allowed between games during a series, but most teams don’t do this) players to choose from.

    - League of Legends knockout stages are played in a best of five format. You will notice the scoring includes extra points both for individual player and for team if a series lasts 3 or 4 games. This is a difficult problem to address. Imagine having to pick a DFS team for the LCS rounds of MLB playoffs, but your team is locked for the entire LCS round as opposed to each day. Just like people like playing heavy road favorites with high totals in MLB because of increased volume, people would pick players from teams that they thought might a full 7 games vs 4 games. These bonus points are there to account for this problem. 20 points per player seems potentially a tad low for mid/adc players and seems high for junglers/supports.

    - The team “win” and “win in under 30 mins” points seem too low, and the dragon/baron seem too high. Just like baseball, there is no game clock. A League of Legends game can theoretically last indefinitely. I’m not sure exactly on the longest competitive game ever, but it is somewhere around 65 minutes. On average games are about 35 minutes. You may have noticed that 2 points are awarded for dragon and 3 points are awarded for baron. In game, teams commonly take 4-5 dragons or 2-3 barons. This can be even more blown out of proportion for games that go 50+ minutes. Say a team wins, but it takes 45 minutes. Along the way they get two barons and five dragons. That is 16 points from the game lasting a long time vs. just the two bonus points for ending the game in under 30 minutes. Even a losing team could accrue multiple dragons or barons in a very long game.

    This should be fun regardless. I’m not sure how much fun it would be watching for somebody completely new to the game, but there are still things in general that are exciting like any other sport (announcer excitement level, crowd reaction, tension, ect.). Looking forward to seeing the first lobbies posted.

  • stephenly

    @huitcinq said...

    As someone who made $3k betting on the Dota 2 International I am all for this.

    I don’t know anything about LoL though. Hopefully they add Dota 2 eventually. Though LoL is more convenient for DFS since it’s such a static metagame.

    While the meta game may be more static on a macro sense, players can sometimes be dramatically affected by champion nerfs/buffs that happen much more frequently than Dota 2. I’m not sure which one is more impactful.

  • huitcinq

    The individual champs in play will shift around but the team compositions are always pretty much the same. In Dota 2 you have heroes that can be ran as both support and carry for example, and the player roles as established by the laning phase are a lot more fluid, so individual roles within rosters tend to be more dynamic.

    It’s just a more chaotic than LoL. It would be like picking Andrew Luck knowing he might play kicker 20% of the time.

  • ssmfour

    Having watched some of the International for Dota2 this year I must say pricing on this is going to be incredibly hard. Everyone seemed to have a vague idea of who the best players were and even then there was lots of disagreement. All for this though

  • xandamere

    I’d argue that support or top might be the best to use in flex, especially if you can find players who usually play tanks (like Nautilus) or healing supports. Champs that are likely to make it all the way through a teamfight and will get an assist for every enemy kill – that’s 10 points per teamfight if you ace the enemy team, while an ADC might get 2 kills for 6 points and that’s it if they’re focus firing.

  • xandamere

    Actually, thinking of it, maybe that’s the DFS strategy – supports for cash games vs. ADCs for GPPs.

  • Myprimetime

    Sooooo are we going to learn esports or is DK going to bring in esport users to the normal sports? I like the move as I believe esports is a big deal, just not sure if there will be a big crossover, besides the typical gambler who just wants to bet on whatever we can

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