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  • someclevername

    DK MMA Rules & Scoring Changes:

    Strikes +0.2 Points

    Significant Strikes +0.2 Points

    Control Time +0.03 Points Per Second

    Quick Win Bonus (First round win in 60 seconds or less) +25 Points

    Takedowns (+5), Reversals/Sweeps (+5) & Knockdowns (+10) remain the same.

    It appears that Advances are gone and will no longer be scored.

    Scoring Notes:

    Significant Strikes are any Distance Strike or Clinch/Ground Strikes that are considered “Power Strikes” by official scorers.
    A Significant Strike will count as both a strike and a significant strike and will be worth a total of 0.4 Pts

    Control Time is the time spent in the dominant position on the ground or in the clinch. +0.03 points are awarded per second.

    A Knockdown is awarded to a fighter who knocks his/her opponent down due to debilitation for what the official scorers consider an appreciable amount of time.

    A Quick Win Bonus is awarded to the winning fighter if they win in the first round in 60 seconds or less.

    All information taken directly from DraftKings Rules & Scoring —-> MMA section of their site

  • someclevername

    Shoutout to thedkexperience for the heads up – I haven’t looked at anything MMA since the last card.

    Thanks, man!

  • gje627

    For the most part, I think the scoring changes are pretty good. Really happy DK did something to address the early first round stoppages with the quick win bonus … I absolutely hate cheering on my fighters to bludgeon their opponents for 4 minutes and 50 seconds in the first round and only get the stoppage in the last 10 seconds of the round.

    Surprised DK didn’t take the low-hanging fruit and add a 15 fantasy point fight conclusion bonus for each fighter in a fight ending in a draw.

    Absolutely no idea what the definition of knockdown even means … think DK let this one slip through the grammar check …. Is it even possible to knock an “opponent down due to debilitation” ? …. Additionally, DK broke the cardinal rule of definitions … that being using the word, or derivative of the word, in the definition itself …. “A Knockdown is awarded to a fighter who knocks … down ….”

  • thedkexperience

    @someclevername said...

    Shoutout to thedkexperience for the heads up – I haven’t looked at anything MMA since the last card.

    Thanks, man!

    Happy to help! I clicked on it out of pure boredom and was like …

    Anyway, I like the changes as they seem to reward dominance. It’s gonna be interesting to see what happens when someone like Covington just wrestle humps a guy for 25 minutes. I wonder how much that control per second thing will matter?

    In the end I’m still going to simply spam as many fighters as I can fit who I think can win by early stoppage.

  • jdtrey

    @thedkexperience said...

    Covington just wrestle humps a guy for 25 minutes

    It’ll end up 5 for the take down and up to 9 per round for the control (assuming 5 full minutes of control were even possible) so up to maybe 40ish points in control for an old school GSP lay n pray

  • thedkexperience

    @jdtrey said...

    It’ll end up 5 for the take down and up to 9 per round for the control (assuming 5 full minutes of control were even possible) so up to maybe 40ish points in control for an old school GSP lay n pray

    Math is wonderful!

    I must have sounded like Charles Davis on Madden talking about wanting to see stats that he could actually look up or do the math on.

    Thank you for doing the simple math my CTE riddled brain should have simply done myself lol

  • jki7p6

    Wow this was a big heads up, thanks!

    Jabs and control mean something now. Preemptively picking Tecia or The Damage every card they are on.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    For the most part, I think the scoring changes are pretty good. Really happy DK did something to address the early first round stoppages with the quick win bonus … I absolutely hate cheering on my fighters to bludgeon their opponents for 4 minutes and 50 seconds in the first round and only get the stoppage in the last 10 seconds of the round.

    We believe this new scoring system will make for a better playing experience overall, happy to hear you’re on board with the change!

    Absolutely no idea what the definition of knockdown even means

    In the case of any sport, it’s important to align our rules & wording with our stat providers, to ensure the accuracy of our products, and to provide the best experience possible to our players. If you have questions regarding the rules of a professional entity, such as UFC, it’s best you contact them directly. We mirror their rules with our product, but we have no involvement in the definition of how a sport is scored.

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • smonger19

    @someclevername said...

    Shoutout to thedkexperience for the heads up – I haven’t looked at anything MMA since the last card.

    Thanks, man!

    Agreed….thanks thedkexperience….you gave me something to do tonight….

  • smonger19

    @gje627 said...

    Surprised DK didn’t take the low-hanging fruit and add a 15 fantasy point fight conclusion bonus for each fighter in a fight ending in a draw.

    This is the one thing that I thought was obvious too. Other than that, things make sense.

  • smonger19

    I don’t know how copying from Excel works in forums, so I might have to edit several times. I took the last three cards and scored them under the old scoring and new scoring and this is what I got. (Change is the percentage change of the fighter in the “NEW” column)

    12/5:
    OLD………………………………..NEW……………………………. Change
    Marvin Vettori…..139.00…….Marvin Vettorii…128.61….-8.1%
    Louis Smolka……123.50……Jordan Leavitt….120.40….20.7%
    Gabriel Benitez…119.00……Gabriel Benitez…115.20…-3.3%
    Ilia Topuria……….115.50…….Ilia Topuria………112.49….-2.7%
    Jamahal Hill……..104.00……Louis Smolka……111.67….-10.6%
    Jordan Leavitt…….95.50……Jamahal Hill……….97.65….-6.5%
    Jake Collier………..91.50……Roman Dolidze…..91.88….10.2%
    Roman Dolidze…..82.50……Jake Collier ……….79.86….-14.6%

    The biggest thing here was obviously Leavitt getting the early finish bonus. Vettori did have over 5 minutes control time, but that was overcome by his losing 4 advances and having a net loss in striking points. Smolka and Collier were also big losers due to lack of control time. Smolka had 9 advance points wiped out and only gained 2 points of control time. Collier lost about 12 striking points and had only 2 seconds of control time.

    OK, this looks awful, but I’m not going to learn how to make it better right now.

  • smonger19

    12/12:

    OLD NEW Change
    Gavin Tucker 130.00 Gavin Tucker 120.22 -8.1%
    Tecia Torres 121.00 Cub Swanson 117.22 -0.7%
    Cub Swanson 118.00 Tecia Torres 116.25 -4.1%
    Rafael Fiziev 110.50 Rafael Fiziev 108.52 -1.8%
    Ciryl Gane 109.50 Ciryl Gane 104.75 -4.5%
    Kevin Holland 97.50 Kevin Holland 97.26 -0.2%
    Brandon Moreno 92.00 Charles Oliveira 91.37 5.3%
    Charles Oliveira 86.50 Brandon Moreno 80.17 -14.8%
    Deiveson Figueiredo 81.50 Mackenzie Dern 71.22 0.3%
    Chase Hooper 73.50 Chase Hooper 68.92 -6.6%
    Mackenzie Dern 71.00 Deiveson Figueiredo 68.45 -19.1%

    I left in the draw instead of just the winners in this one. Tucker still had the high score, but it was closer than in the old scoring. He did have over 5 minutes of control time, but lost points on advances and striking. The top gainer was Oliveira who had 11:39 of control time. That made up for his 7 advances and only 47.6% of his strikes were significant, so he gained points in the new striking scoring. Figgy and Moreno were both big losers in the new scoring system.

  • smonger19

    12/19:

    OLD NEW Change
    Rob Font 120.00 Deron Winn 123.87 14.4%
    Stephen Thompson 115.50 Rob Font 118.74 -1.1%
    Deron Winn 106.00 Stephen Thompson 109.18 -5.8%
    Marcin Tybura 103.50 Tafon Nchukwi 100.93 0.9%
    Tafon Nchukwi 100.00 Marcin Tybura 99.81 -3.7%
    Jimmy Flick 93.00 Jimmy Flick 92.60 -0.4%
    Christos Giagos 91.50 Christos Giagos 92.51 12.4%
    Pannie Kianzad 76.00 Pannie Kianzad 78.82 3.6%
    Michel Pereira 68.00 Taila Santos 77.81 22.2%
    Anthony Pettis 63.00 Anthony Pettis 69.16 8.9%
    Taila Santos 60.50 Michel Pereira 62.43 -8.9%
    Jose Aldo 55.00 Jose Aldo 59.71 7.9%

    This fight had the most fighters with good control time. 7 of the 24 had over 3 minutes control time. Santos had 12:47, Winn had 9:20 and Giagos had 8:57. Giagos total control time scoring was pretty equal with the 7 advances he lost. Winn and Santos were both big winners in this. Not shown here, but Robertson was a big winner for having 33 of her 42 strikes being non-significant. Along with some control time, she went from 4.5 to 12.03 points.

  • smonger19

    @gje627 said...

    Is it even possible to knock an “opponent down due to debilitation”

    Isn’t that how Homer Simpson won his boxing matches?

  • gje627

    @smonger19 said...

    12/19:

    OLD NEW Change
    Rob Font 120.00 Deron Winn 123.87 14.4%
    Stephen Thompson 115.50 Rob Font 118.74 -1.1%
    Deron Winn 106.00 Stephen Thompson 109.18 -5.8%
    Marcin Tybura 103.50 Tafon Nchukwi 100.93 0.9%
    Tafon Nchukwi 100.00 Marcin Tybura 99.81 -3.7%
    Jimmy Flick 93.00 Jimmy Flick 92.60 -0.4%
    Christos Giagos 91.50 Christos Giagos 92.51 12.4%
    Pannie Kianzad 76.00 Pannie Kianzad 78.82 3.6%
    Michel Pereira 68.00 Taila Santos 77.81 22.2%
    Anthony Pettis 63.00 Anthony Pettis 69.16 8.9%
    Taila Santos 60.50 Michel Pereira 62.43 -8.9%
    Jose Aldo 55.00 Jose Aldo 59.71 7.9%

    This fight had the most fighters with good control time. 7 of the 24 had over 3 minutes control time. Santos had 12:47, Winn had 9:20 and Giagos had 8:57. Giagos total control time scoring was pretty equal with the 7 advances he lost. Winn and Santos were both big winners in this. Not shown here, but Robertson was a big winner for having 33 of her 42 strikes being non-significant. Along with some control time, she went from 4.5 to 12.03 points.

    Are those numbers I see? … Lots and lots of numbers?

    Love it !!! :)

    Very helpful … and interesting.

    Thank You !!!

  • thedkexperience

    @smonger19

    Thanks for the breakdown!

  • cyrbritt

    The only concern I have with this is that it reduces the viability of interesting lineup constructions. Otherwise the changes are good since they remove the situations where common sense does not line up with the scoring.

    It helps reducing duplicates when a high volume loser can make it into the optimal lineup. With the reduction in scoring for strikers, it is not as viable to be optimal as a loser (Hooker vs Poirier and Algeo vs Lamas still were good enough). Picking two fighters in a fight causes a sharp increase in the number of lineups possible, but high scoring losers aren’t as high anymore.

    UFC 248: Joanna vs Weili (joanna -15pts)
    UFC 251: Holloway vs Volkanovski (holloway -8pts)
    UFC 254: Wood vs Kenney (wood -13pts)

    And the other close calls for stacking, (Edgar vs Munoz, Moreno vs Figgy) aren’t as close anymore.

    This weekend, there are 44604 possible lineups if you cant stack any fights. In a GPP with 23529 entries, that is a major consideration. When there are cancellations or you set a reasonable minimum salary usage threshold, that gets much more meaningful. For example, over half of those 44604 lineups use less than 48000 in salary.

    Sheet with scoring differences in 2020:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pA4WRVVFUkJ37t27mdbgi6yIp80ZjLm3NyKeN3y0PNk

  • Klemmentine

    Awesome Info – thanks for sharing!

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