NBA FORUM

Comments

  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • kressmi

    @Bellyball said...

    So what are our NBA options now? I’ve seen Yahoo and Draftday mentioned as still having late swaps. Are there any other options? I love playing the NBA over all others and won’t play without late swaps.

    100% agree. I will be looking into both of those sites.

  • kressmi

    I wonder if FanDuel is going to add Late Swap now, wouldn’t that be awesome.

  • Taterchipdip

    @franciscolora said...

    Seriously, bad players need to stop complaining and get the fuck over it. You’re not gonna be good at any game if you just wanna make lineups in two minutes after work. Sorry, that’s just how life works. You’re not gonna make money in the stock market if you blindly decide to make trades. THAT’S NOT HOW THE DAMN WORLD WORKS. If you wanna be good at DFS and make money in DFS, then take the damn time to research and learn and get better. It’s as simple as that. Saahil Sud is the best damn player in the world because he works his ass off. He wakes up at 7 AM while all of the bad players are wishing they’re getting better at DFS. And when they don’t win, they complaining because they suck at the game and there are people that are just flat out better. Give me a break DK.

    So, DRAFTKINGS. Stop catering to the people who complain day after day. You’re just ruining the game and hurting your bottom line.

    To Draft Kings…….

    Please read the above quote over and over til it sinks in. If I could give that quote 50 likes I would.

  • franciscolora

    @noddy said...

    This is how the world works now. Where have you been? Everyone is equal. No one is allowed to be better than someone else. They might have their feelings hurt.

    lol

  • mccoolio

    2 things.

    1) This will most likely not affect casual players as much. Most volume comes from multi-entry folks so if anything, they’re burning a bridge with players who put in the time and effort to follow news up until the last minute.

    2) What a horrible, horrible move. They just removed a big component of the “skill” argument. You could say that people will have to gamble now, without the ability to late-swap, on what players they want to start. I would say being able to monitor last minute news and make the appropriate changes is in fact a skill. Quite disappointed in the ruling today. Basketball is notorious for late lineup news and everyone will get “Pop’d” one or two nights this year and its going to crush everyone.

  • AWoo

    Just relax and watch their gpps go down this season compared to last nba season.

  • franciscolora

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Well think about it. Someone like ehafner hasn’t deposited in 5 years or so. You think they’re going to him and saying “what can we do so that you can win even more money?”

    No, they want the people that are introducing new money into the business every week. Like someone else just said they couldn’t care less about rewarding “good players,” nor should they. Whoever is depositing is helping the business grow more than any of the sharp players are. So if the causal players stick around a little longer and the better players have to deposit more often, then that’s the best of both worlds.

    I think even the people bitching about this know that this move makes sense from a business standpoint.

    The problem is that this isn’t making the games more fun for recreational players. That’s where you and all of DK is wrong. This isn’t going to keep money circulating. It’s going to have more money leave the site.

    If you lose because of a late scratch, that’s gonna tilt you so much to the point that you don’t want to play anymore because it’s a game of luck and not skill. If you lose because your players didn’t do well, you’re gonna play again because you lost to variance.

    I can’t wait until someone uses this as an avenue to say “this is why this is a game of luck”.

  • kpquick24

    I kind of would like to see how it would go with some type of bench as mentioned earlier since they don’t want to have the late swap anymore.. Have 3 players you choose before lineup locks that you can swap players to just in case a late scratch happens. This would require skill trying to decide which players to choose for bench, trying to decide if the bench player that takes his spot benefit more or does the starter that will be getting extra shots due to him being out benefits more. This would be the solution to those getting hurt due to a late scratch and those that say that finding time to do it is a problem. I honestly like having the late swap, but maybe a bench would be the best way of meeting in the middle and keeping those players with little time and those that do have the time and neither would get their lineups killed with a big 0.

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I don’t think that’s entirely true either.
    They don’t make money when you deposit. They make money (rake) from each time you play a game.
    What their aim really is is retention and keeping money on the site…and that’s more complicated then simply stating, “They want people to redeposit”.

    For a losing player, that may be the case and the goal for DK is creating an experience where the user has enough fun that they will continue to play and redeposit even if they lose over the long run.
    Conversely, it’s the same goal but a different means when it comes to a profitable player. You want to create an experience that ensures they play even more games and higher limits as their bankroll increases. You want to avoid them withdrawing.

    DK’s goal is keeping as many players and money in circulation as possible.

    Agreed, but any realistic situation going on at these sites is Depositors implies liquidity. When they design an account balance graphic that is so sweet that people deposit money just to stare at it, then we can talk about the problems of getting deposits into contests.

  • fassinator01

    very little enjoyment in watching your lineups go up in flames more often than not. Its so hard to predict when a guy gets scratched 10 mins before tip. and its not just a every now and then. that happens every night!!!!! if you cant keep up with the news pick your teams according. now we have no options to do so. so TILTED. NBA on DK not getting my money now

  • KindGuy

    I was furious at first but not so much anymore. It’s only for NBA which is weird but not terrible. Also, I definitely see how it evens the playing field for new comers who can’t monitor news the whole night. Just gotta roll with the changes I guess.

    Does this mean ownership %s are available immediately?

  • Petergunz82

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Well think about it. Someone like ehafner hasn’t deposited in 5 years or so. You think they’re going to him and saying “what can we do so that you can win even more money?”

    No, they want the people that are introducing new money into the business every week. Like someone else just said they couldn’t care less about rewarding “good players,” nor should they. Whoever is depositing is helping the business grow more than any of the sharp players are. So if the causal players stick around a little longer and the better players have to deposit more often, then that’s the best of both worlds.

    I think even the people bitching about this know that this move makes sense from a business standpoint.

    Last I checked, DK makes the bulk of their money raking the high volume players who play max lineups, not the casual one lineup flyer

  • magicfan217

    Love this decision. I hated playing main slates knowing I had to constantly monitor news 3 hours a night or be dead money. I actually played more NBA on Fan Duel because of this. Now I can basically play on DK full time which is great b/c the DK app is so much more user friendly.

  • mellofellowsu

    @Petergunz82 said...

    Last I checked, DK makes the bulk of their money raking the high volume players who play max lineups, not the casual one lineup flyer

    Point is the sharks need food to feed off of. If the casual players leave, the money the site makes off of the sharp players also declines. It still comes back to the need to keep the casual players around for as long as possible.

    People are also overstating how often late scratches even occur in the first place. I play on FD and can count on one hand the amount of times I was burned by late scratches over the past 2 years.

  • Cocomilk

    @osuryanf said...

    As previously stated on another page, this would be a non-issue if the NBA would put some type of rule in place concerning injury designations and active rosters. The NBA always has been the absolute laughing stock when it comes to injury designations in major sports.

    A lot of the time they just don’t know until the pre game shoot around

  • lineupofpeace

    All of you guys saying that you’re going to leave DK, where are you going? Yahoo?

  • Voltzwagon

    HATE this change. Taking a zero is easily the most frustrating way to lose in NBA.

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @franciscolora said...

    The problem is that this isn’t making the games more fun for recreational players. That’s where you and all of DK is wrong. This isn’t going to keep money circulating. It’s going to have more money leave the site.

    If you lose because of a late scratch, that’s gonna tilt you so much to the point that you don’t want to play anymore because it’s a game of luck and not skill. If you lose because your players didn’t do well, you’re gonna play again because you lost to variance.

    I can’t wait until someone uses this as an avenue to say “this is why this is a game of luck”.

    I really wish, so deeply, that people would just go 1 step deeper in their thinking when their brain said,‘WHY ARE THESE OTHER PEOPLE BEING SO DUMB’. Please, just go down the avenue of, ‘What if they know something that I don’t’ and ‘what do their actions tell me about what they think?’
    So, you’ve done extensive market research on the DFS communities level of enjoyment via different game modes? That’s really amazing. You are one very industrious consumer.
    You so clearly don’t understand the basic concept that not every single person is treating this as their own personal +EV mine. Losers don’t lose to variance. They lose $ because that’s not all that they’re after. They are straight up paying for the experience.

  • Petergunz82

    @kpquick24 said...

    I kind of would like to see how it would go with some type of bench as mentioned earlier since they don’t want to have the late swap anymore.. Have 3 players you choose before lineup locks that you can swap players to just in case a late scratch happens. This would require skill trying to decide which players to choose for bench, trying to decide if the bench player that takes his spot benefit more or does the starter that will be getting extra shots due to him being out benefits more. This would be the solution to those getting hurt due to a late scratch and those that say that finding time to do it is a problem. I honestly like having the late swap, but maybe a bench would be the best way of meeting in the middle and keeping those players with little time and those that do have the time and neither would get their lineups killed with a big 0.

    Why are they catering to the casual player with “no time” to monitor news. If you don’t have what it takes, don’t play or play and lose money. Why don’t they just give the casual players free money while they’re at it

  • webbm1

    For me this is good news, living in England and trying to play DFS is hard enough, works out quite well that I work in a bar so I’m usually up till 9ET anyways so thats not a problem. I only joined during the MLB season so I’ve been fine so far as lineups come out like 3 hours before first pitch. Played abit of preseason so far and was wondering how it would affect me with several West coast games each night in the regular season.

    Now I have the exact chance as anyone else does and I don’t need to stay up any longer to worry about whether who the Portland Trailblazers starting 5 will be.

    I don’t know about FD but I imagine now alot of the early games will now be targeted alot more than West Coast games.

    A low owned player going off in a late game could be the difference.

  • lggarruto

    @Petergunz82 said...

    If you don’t have the ten minutes it takes to swap in late news, some would argue you shouldn’t be playing.
    It’s not material, non-public info. Completely available to any and everybody

    The damn RotoGrinders App alerts you to scratches and you can global swap in 30 secs if need be. I play a high volume and many lineups. The people that can’t do it there is something wrong with them.

  • Gallant03

    In my opinion this change gives even more of an advantage to pros/max multi entry guys than late swap ever did. With late swap the casual player could keep an eye out and play those value plays. With no swap they can’t risk their one entry on a guy that may or may not play. So the max multi entry guys can throw maybe 5-10% exposure on those high risk guys and have them over owned against the field.

  • scsa1998

    @webbm1 said...

    I don’t know about FD but I imagine now alot of the early games will now be targeted alot more than West Coast games.

    A low owned player going off in a late game could be the difference.

    Thats the awesome part since west coast teams play at a faster pace so if you get them at a lower percentage sign me up. The down side is the late games you are more likely to get hit with a 0 due to late scratch

  • NYM15

    I can guarantee that the people who “actually enjoy watching NBA” will not enjoy watching the night they roster Derrick Rose and he gets scratched at 7:05 PM for his 7:30 PM game after a 7:00 PM lock. Nothing is worse than having a losing night before the first game even tips off.

  • Yeoman

    @Bellyball said...

    So what are our NBA options now? I’ve seen Yaho and Draftday mentioned as still having late swaps. Are there any other options? I love playing the NBA over all others and won’t play without late swaps.

    What’s Draftday pricing like?

    Y@hoo is tight, which I like, but it’s tight in a different way than DK or FD. Lineup selection is very different there and I haven’t quite worked it out yet. There’s a wider price gap from top to bottom, and less differentiation at the bottom. Maybe I’ll decide I like it if I start playing there more.

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

Subforum Index

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-Gambler (NJ/WV/PA), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO) or 1-800-BETS OFF (IA). 21+. NJ/PA/WV/IN/IA/CO/IL only.