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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • peachfuzz

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    @Yeoman said...

    You can count on it—in fact I think the basketball survey they just sent out was a marketing tool to try to get people to prefer broken slates. These aren’t questions to determine customer preferences, they’re carefully worded to try to manipulate those preferences:

    “How much do you agree with the following statements:

    “I don’t like having to stay up late to watch the end of games in my NBA contests.”

    “Playing NBA contests with a lot of games requires too much research.”

    Breaking apart slates would make their product absolutely unplayable.

  • kressmi

    i guess you better retire Anthony Davis and the Spurs too

  • Petergunz82

    @Yeoman said...

    We wouldn’t have slot machines and lotteries if people didn’t have fun losing money. For a lot of people it only stops being fun when it’s your fault your money has been lost.

    I think that’s a lot of the problem here. On the one hand the industry has to present their product as a game of skill, to keep the law of their backs. But they market it as if it were a casino. Big checks. “Everyone can win.” Tournament payout structures that I’m sure are informed by all the work casinos have done on just how often you have to pay out to keep players at the machine.

    If they make changes to their product under the guise of “fair play” that seem in fact intended to maximize the random element, it’s not because they’re confused. They’re legally and financially obligated to talk out both sides of their mouths.

    Well put

  • Nobakov

    I haven’t read the thread yet….This is GREAT news for Yahoo!

  • MoMo662

    Regarding change #2. All lineup selections will lock at the start of the contest (i.e. you will no longer be able to swap players after contest lock).

    If I am reading this right it looks like late contests can’t have swaps???

    This kinda sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • scsa1998

    @kressmi said...

    I already put in for withdrawal of all my money. This is awful.

    Where are you taking your money to? FD and DK are the only sites that have the massive GPPs and now they are both identical.

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  • Yeoman

    @peachfuzz said...

    Breaking apart slates would make their product absolutely unplayable.

    They already do it: tonight they’re running a two-game turbo at 8, and another at 10:30. NHL also has three slates even though all the games start within 90 minutes of each other. NFL has eight different slates up.

    I think the problem they have is that players prefer the full slates (as evidenced by how small the turbo gpps are), but revenues are maximized if they can get everyone into the turbos.

  • Lathum

    @Petergunz82 said...

    Why are they catering to the casual player with “no time” to monitor news. If you don’t have what it takes, don’t play or play and lose money. Why don’t they just give the casual players free money while they’re at it

    Probably because casual players with “no time” to monitor news make up the majority of there customer base. Every person who has commented on this thread could never play on DK again and it wouldn’t register as a blip on their radar.

    The guy who throws a lineup together on lunch, double checks it while at a red light on his phone on the way home from work then has dinner with his family outnumber guys like you 500-1.

  • Lathum

    Don’t underestimate the amount of people on the east coast who just can’t/ don’t want to stay up until 10:29 to make sure their guys are in the lineup. MAny, many people are either in bed by then or doing other things like getting ready for bed, banging their wife, etc…

  • wideopen23

    I think it’s a great idea. Not everyone has the time/desire to check for updates throughout the night. Some people have families/jobs etc.. Sure it sucks when you start a guy that ends up not playing, but that will also benefit you on some nights when other owners lose players after lock.

    I know many grinders won’t like it, but for the “average” player this is great news. Thanks DK

  • kylar18

    I like this actually. Had a lot more success on FD then on DK with NBA. Allows me to get more exposure to NBA

  • mellofellowsu

    @Lathum said...

    Don’t underestimate the amount of people on the east coast who just can’t/ don’t want to stay up until 10:29 to make sure their guys are in the lineup. MAny, many people are either in bed by then or doing other things like getting ready for bed, banging their wife, etc…

    People are just venting right now. They’re huffing and puffing but everyone here will be submitting NBA LUs in two weeks, per usual.

  • Petergunz82

    @mellofellowsu said...

    People are just venting right now. They’re huffing and puffing but everyone here will be submitting NBA LUs in two weeks, per usual.

    Or 2 minutes lol

  • noddy

    @kressmi said...

    I already put in for withdrawal of all my money. This is awful.

    So are you going to deposit on another site that doesn’t have late swap?

  • Yeoman

    @Petergunz82 said...

    Why don’t they just give the casual players free money while they’re at it

    They do, or they used to. I started at DK just playing some freerolls to see what it was like, and that weekend I got an e-mail inviting me to enter free into a gpp they hadn’t been able to fill. (They didn’t put it that way, but they had an overlay and I guess they figured it’s better to use it as a marketing tool than to lose it.)

    It worked; the money I won turned into my bankroll. Or it didn’t work, because I never actually deposited. Depends on your point of view—if you think they make money on volume it worked, if you think they make money on deposits it didn’t.

    But it was free money given to a casual player, that’s for sure.

  • peachfuzz

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    @Yeoman said...

    They already do it: tonight they’re running a two-game turbo at 8, and another at 10:30. NHL also has three slates even though all the games start within 90 minutes of each other. NFL has eight different slates up.

    I think the problem they have is that players prefer the full slates (as evidenced by how small the turbo gpps are), but revenues are maximized if they can get everyone into the turbos.

    They’ve always offered a full slate option along with turbos, so I’m not talking about that.

    I mean if they were to truly break their full slate contests into early/late slates, that would be just atrocious.

  • Nobakov

    Yeah ok LOL…so only going to play Cash in split slates. Only main slate you can play now is GPP. Adjust and adapt I guess.

  • TeamTwerk

    I have a feeling a lot of slates are going to boil down to a Demarcus Cousins playing status prediction game.

  • jdtrey

    I can’t believe you all are actually sitting here trying to argue this. The ability to monitor news all night is not a skill, no matter what way you try to twist it. And more importantly, as has already been said many times over, DK knows what they’re doing. They are trying to generate as much rake and customer retention as possible. Those of you arguing that a casual player is going to stop playing because of a late scratch are so far off base. They’ll see it as “look how close I got, I would’ve won huge if only not for that one guy” and then they probably double their entries the next day with some newfound hope or confidence.

    I played every single NBA slate last season and literally was only hurt by late scratches 4 or 5 times whereas knowing better than to not play someone with constant injury issues benefited me much more often when that player was scratched (that no one should have been playing anyway)

    And the one big thing a lot of you seem to forget is… this is, always was and always will be meant to be a form of entertainment. This was never meant to be a way for ANY of us to make a living.

  • Yeoman

    @peachfuzz said...

    They’ve always offered a full slate option along with turbos, so I’m not talking about that.

    I mean if they were to truly break their full slate contests into early/late slates, that would be just atrocious.

    I’m sure they’ll continue to offer both. But participation in those turbo slates has been low, and they’d make more money if they could get more people into them.

  • billholler

    @Markness said...

    We know that there will be customers that are not happy with this decision. However, we have increasingly received feedback from players who have decreased their play or even stopped playing completely because they want to “actually enjoy watching the NBA.” We do see the value of late-swap and there are no plans of removing it for other sports, but for NBA specifically, it has become clear that the amount of extra time and energy required to compete as a result of late-swap functionality is taking too much away from the enjoyment of the game.

    That has to be the dumbest excuse I have ever seen.

    If you couldn’t tell by most of the comments, no one is truly happy about this and as many have stated DK lost it’s biggest edge over FD. Expect the all day slates to have plenty of overlay as no one wants to risk a late scratch in a left coast game on a slate that starts at noon on the right coast.

    No I didn’t read through all the other responses. This just pisses me off and assures I play a lot less NBA this season.

  • Yeoman

    @jdtrey said...

    And more importantly, as has already been said many times over, DK knows what they’re doing.

    Do they? I think in a decade they’ll be a mismanagement case study in business schools.

    And I’m not talking about this decision, which may or may not turn out to be a good one.

  • Thanasi

    This in my opinion is all about optics. Trying to take whatever edge is left after market has been flooded with better info is simply for the politicians. There will probably be some more cosmetic changes because single entry is a favorite cause among the legal community & the big $$$ GPPs depend on the mass multi player.

  • mannmicj

    This just adds to rumors of DK/FD merge.

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