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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • MrFantasy

    @jhorst52 said...

    n life, hard work should pay off and should be rewarded. We’re slowly moving further away from that and the game of skill we all were once so happy to chant.

    It’s not removing skill it’s changing what skill needs to be applied. My ROI was higher on FD then it was on DK. It’s just a different format then you’re used to now.

  • thetitanlb

    @MrFantasy said...

    It’s not removing skill it’s changing what skill needs to be applied. My ROI was higher on FD then it was on DK. It’s just a different format then you’re used to now.

    Im sorry but i just cant take getting random 0’s and getting screwed by bad luck. The only way i can do this is by fading late games or playing turbo slates. Getting burned repeatedly by late scratches is why i left FD for DK. I know some people are ok with getting 0’s from scratches but i am not. Good luck to those who do.

  • MHDU2424

    @MrFantasy said...

    It’s not removing skill it’s changing what skill needs to be applied. My ROI was higher on FD then it was on DK. It’s just a different format then you’re used to now.

    How do you normally go about players that are 50/50 to play but have a great matchup?

    What if a player suddenly will become a great play if someone else sits out? Do you gamble on injuries a lot?

    It almost reminds me of MLB and playing a great matchup where he weather is vey questionable

    I only play on DK and loved being able to late swap with basketball.

    I just feel like finding out one of your players on a great lineup has been scratched out of nowhere will piss me off more than anything. With late swap you only have yourself to blame and it’s easier to love with that vs. getting screwed by something out of your control

  • sjs1890

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    Yahoo if you are listening please add fantasy golf. I would move all my action over to that site if you guys do add dfs golf.

  • jhorst52

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    @MrFantasy said...

    It’s not removing skill it’s changing what skill needs to be applied. My ROI was higher on FD then it was on DK. It’s just a different format then you’re used to now.

    I see your point, and there is definitely still skill involved. Dan Back (who always has the best interest of the industry as a whole in mind) has always advocated for options between sites. In any market, options are a good thing. We are now seeing the two biggest competitors in the market merge to offer the same product. I think what people are missing is that it has always been an option to play with no late swap and still have a chance at large gpps. Now the option to have late swap and large gpps no longer exists. Hopefully we see some of the smaller sites grow and have a positive impact on the industry as a whole.

  • JameyRN

    Got an email from draftkings today saying that they will no let us swap players in NBA tournaments after lock time. If they are doing this, it makes them no different than fanduel. Ive always enjoyed playing both fanduel and draftkings because of the ability to use different strategies on each site. I sent an email back, telling them how shitty an idea this is. They replied saying they have reached out to players who said this is what they wanted. I don’t remember them asking me.

    Anyway, its shitty and I will no longer play nba tournaments on draftkings. Hopefully nobody else will either and they will go back to the original plan.

  • MrFantasy

    The biggest motivator in my eyes and I mentioned it before as well is money. This will net them more money because more players will play additional slates without late swap. That’s what DK cares about most and not necessarily the experience players will get from having/not having late swap.

  • tmarohl

    I hardly ever play Draftkings because of the late swap. I may play over there a little more now.

  • JameyRN

    It just gives the players who can play 150 lines a bigger chance of winning since they can play everyone to account for late scratches. I guess it was difficult for the main guys to change 500 lines they are playing when there is a late scratch. I’m glad draftkings has made it easier for them to win.

  • MrFantasy

    @JameyRN said...

    It just gives the players who can play 150 lines a bigger chance of winning since they can play everyone to account for late scratches. I guess it was difficult for the main guys to change 500 lines they are playing when there is a late scratch. I’m glad draftkings has made it easier for them to win.

    It also gives them more ways to lose. Use your head. Come on.

  • Petergunz82

    @jhorst52 said...

    +1

    + 2

  • Chuky

    @MHDU2424 said...

    That’s just a dumb way to look at it…..We already get zero’s the old way because people either don’t care, are lazy, or don’t research properly

    I missed a few last season but I only had myself to blame which I can live with

    Seeing a player I have in 10 lineups get scratched at 7:05 for no apparent reason will make me go crazy….how could it not?

    Lmao. Dude you and the others complaining about skill aspect about late swap is ridiculous! FD doesn’t do it and is doing quite well. Yes it take that skill aspect away but to say that takes up the majority of the skill aspect as some here are implying is ridiculous. Yes we all will get burn with zeros. That’s a part of the game. Do u and others consider the other skill/strategy aspect of switching up your core players to cut variance and chances of a player getting a zero? It’s not as bad as you all make it to be. If it was that bad fanduel would be losing in the NBA. Some of u are all talk, when DK presents those live finals and large Gpp for the NBA this season let’s see how many of you will go to Yahoo. Man please. So go ahead and put a core player in all your lineups without thinking about a zero/injury if you think that’s smart. All we have to do is adjust to the rules.

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    @JameyRN said...

    It just gives the players who can play 150 lines a bigger chance of winning since they can play everyone to account for late scratches. I guess it was difficult for the main guys to change 500 lines they are playing when there is a late scratch. I’m glad draftkings has made it easier for them to win.

    Agreed. I have read people saying this can take the edge from pros who are tracking Twitter all night, but it just encourages more hedging on two or three roster spots. This allows mass multi-entry players to have more exposure than the field to gametime decisions where 3-5-entry players are completely fading. This happens a lot with platoon players in West Coast baseball games, except in baseball, you can profit with zeroes in your lineup. A zero in basketball in a zero in winnings, greatly lowering ownership.

    This will also lower the threshold of what we call “chalk”, as less players will be scripted at 75%+, let alone locked in 100% of mass-multi players’ lineups. In cash games, the “fighting chance” of recreational players is reduced to that of FanDuel.

    Multi-position eligibility will favor pros, too. I like it because roster flexibility is a plus, but players getting shifted around in scripts are going to give more diversity where mass-multi players would otherwise hedge.

    The only real plus here goes to DK, as they have now instituted a policy which greatly encourages more multi-entry. Where the edge goes may end up being neutral, but more entries are the inevitable result. Why anyone but a pro would not just move the volume to FD baffles me, to be honest. Recreational players put 100% of their bankroll on one site. Why not play the site with looser pricing where arcane value plays hitting big are less necessary?

  • JameyRN

    Just takes the fun out of it. My 90 year old grandma with arthritis can plug in a line and leave it. I enjoyed (past tense) waiting for late slate lineups to publish and make changes. From the comments here, seems like the majority of people agree that its a bad idea.

  • Petergunz82

    @Chuky said...

    Lmao. Dude you and the others complaining about skill aspect about late swap is ridiculous! FD doesn’t do it and is doing quite well. Yes it take that skill aspect away but to say that takes up the majority of the skill aspect as some here are implying is ridiculous. Yes we all will get burn with zeros. That’s a part of the game. Do u and others consider the other skill/strategy aspect of switching up your core players to cut variance and chances of a player getting a zero? It’s not as bad as you all make it to be. If it was that bad fanduel would be losing in the NBA. Some of u are all talk, when DK presents those live finals and large Gpp for the NBA this season let’s see how many of you will go to Yahoo. Man please

    It doesn’t have to be “part of the game”. The news is there, we just can’t act on it now. If it was material, non-public info (like knowing a player’s ownership prior to tipoff), I would completely understand.
    But it’s not. They’re just catering to the lazy who CHOOSE not to do the work

  • bluestooges

    Draft Kings and Fanduel are just making their products slowly similar so when they merge it will be more seamless.

  • billholler

    @jhorst52 said...

    Let’s say John works for a company with his friend Bill. John put’s in long hours and does the extra work. Bill show’s up lat

    I don’t have any friends and I’m never late to work.

  • JameyRN

    Maybe I’ll just stop playing all together and spend my money elsewhere.

  • jhorst52

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    @billholler said...

    I don’t have any friends

    more like it….

    haha just kidding, thanks for the laugh.

  • jhorst52

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    Wow I’m an idiot, thought you said friends named John…terrible joke by me…you already made it…need more coffee

  • MHDU2424

    @Chuky said...

    Lmao. Dude you and the others complaining about skill aspect about late swap is ridiculous! FD doesn’t do it and is doing quite well. Yes it take that skill aspect away but to say that takes up the majority of the skill aspect as some here are implying is ridiculous. Yes we all will get burn with zeros. That’s a part of the game. Do u and others consider the other skill/strategy aspect of switching up your core players to cut variance and chances of a player getting a zero? It’s not as bad as you all make it to be. If it was that bad fanduel would be losing in the NBA. Some of u are all talk, when DK presents those live finals and large Gpp for the NBA this season let’s see how many of you will go to Yahoo. Man please. So go ahead and put a core player in all your lineups without thinking about a zero/injury if you think that’s smart. All we have to do is adjust to the rules.

    You’re just not understanding my point apparently

    Getting burned with zeros is more annoying to me and others more than anything else when it doesn’t have to be that way

    I understand there are now different rules we just need to adapt to….Im just disagreeing with the rules

    Tell me why no late swap is better? Tell me why getting a zero because some player is scratched for literally no reason is just something we should live with when there is a better way to do it?

  • billholler

    @MHDU2424 said...

    Tell me why no late swap is better? Tell me why getting a zero because some player is scratched for literally no reason is just something we should live with when there is a better way to do it?

    That’s what I’ve been asking throughout this whole thread. When presented that question, DK simply says that’s the way the people they surveyed wanted it. Obviously they didn’t ask too many people.

  • bhdevault

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    @billholler said...

    That’s what I’ve been asking throughout this whole thread. When presented that question, DK simply says that’s the way the people they surveyed wanted it. Obviously they didn’t ask too many people.

    Keep in mind, the overwhelming voice of unhappy people will always be MUCH stronger than the opposite.

    That and as big as RG is, it’s still only a small portion of the amount of players out there.

  • JameyRN

    Maybe they should make a new rule that if you play less than The max number of lines that you just transfer your money directly to. Sal@#$ud, or chipt#$$%&@ddict and bypass the games all together 🙊

  • tmarohl

    I hate getting zero’s too. However, I also don’t like the full late swap feature that allows you to manipulate your entire lineup of pending players. I think a reasonable alternative if they have the technology is to just allow you to swap out a scratched player with someone who hasn’t played yet rather than being able to adjust your entire lineup. I.E. Everyone is locked except the scratched player. That would eliminate the zero’s but not require people to “rebuild” their lineups.

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