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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • texasrangersfan

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

  • MrFantasy

    This reminds of the Sub position on StarsDraft. Do they even exist anymore? No late swap with a sub position was perfect. If you did get a zero it made up for it and if one of your players tanked hard or got hurt it could help lessen the blow.

  • MrFantasy

    @texasrangersfan said...

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

    Ding ding ding. Definitely the direction they are planning, I’m sure of it.

  • MHDU2424

    @texasrangersfan said...

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

    I actually wouldn’t mind if they did big tournies for all starting times now with no late swap

    Getting zero’d is my main issue vs anything else….so a main slate with just early games Id be happy with if they won’t change late swap

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    @texasrangersfan said...

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

    They would not eliminate the late games, but they have to project larger volume for the turbo and late slates now. You see it all MLB season where people flock to get a Jefry Marte or Brandon Drury in. This will happen even moreso with late scratches in NBA, especially at PG and C. The late swap occurrences just now become late slate entries.

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    @MrFantasy said...

    It’s not removing skill it’s changing what skill needs to be applied. My ROI was higher on FD then it was on DK. It’s just a different format then you’re used to now.

    You do see how your ROI argument could be used against your first sentence right?

  • jjwd

    @texasrangersfan said...

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

    This is a good idea… better for the casual fan to have the slate end before 1am ET.

  • jjwd

    Also better for any “regular guy” who has a life……… better for many reasons, actually

  • tsteeves

    One things certain, There’ll be more split slates with fewer games now. They’ll offer early only slates (7:00-7:30), mid evening slates (8:00-9:00) and late night slates to try and give people a chance to grab as much info as possible before a slate locks.

  • MrFantasy

    @Shipmymoney said...

    You do see how your ROI argument could be used against your first sentence right?

    No I do not. My ROI is higher with no late swap then with late swap.

    People were arguing this is making edges smaller or removing it completely which it’s not. There is just a different mindset necessary for success.

    Care to explain what I’m missing? No late swap requires more outside the box thinking and less chalk in your lineups.

  • yostradamus

    Amen! Baseball, Football and Hockey need this (especially hockey)

  • Campbell00021

    Thats a good point. I wouldn’t mind this at all.

  • yostradamus

    @thetitanlb said...

    Im sorry but i just cant take getting random 0’s and getting screwed by bad luck. The only way i can do this is by fading late games or playing turbo slates. Getting burned repeatedly by late scratches is why i left FD for DK. I know some people are ok with getting 0’s from scratches but i am not. Good luck to those who do.

    Getting burned repeatedly? You must suck at research.

  • Gfry3

    I don’t get this side of the issue at all. Again late swap is an option. If you get your lineup at 7est no one is making you change it. If you choose to that is your call, if you want to shut your computer/phone off your entries don’t get cancelled.

  • yostradamus

    @tmarohl said...

    I hate getting zero’s too. However, I also don’t like the full late swap feature that allows you to manipulate your entire lineup of pending players. I think a reasonable alternative if they have the technology is to just allow you to swap out a scratched player with someone who hasn’t played yet rather than being able to adjust your entire lineup. I.E. Everyone is locked except the scratched player. That would eliminate the zero’s but not require people to “rebuild” their lineups.

    The point is for the players who have lives to not worry about the late swap.

  • scsa1998

    @jjwd said...

    This is a good idea… better for the casual fan to have the slate end before 1am ET.

    East coast bias.

  • Foreverca

    the point is, youre not be able to swap players who come out as dnp/injury or rest after lock, and that is bullshit, pretty simple.

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    @MrFantasy said...

    No I do not. My ROI is higher with no late swap then with late swap.

    People were arguing this is making edges smaller or removing it completely which it’s not. There is just a different mindset necessary for success.

    Care to explain what I’m missing? No late swap requires more outside the box thinking and less chalk in your lineups.

    Hypothetically, if you were a losing player it would make sense for you to have a higher ROI on a site that has smaller edges/more variance. Not talking about you specifically, just didn’t think that argument supported that the edge isn’t smaller without late swap.

  • JameyRN

    I wouldn’t call money spent on DFS an investment.

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    @JameyRN said...

    I wouldn’t call money spent on DFS an investment.

    I would

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    FWIW I would have preferred the sites continued to offer two different experiences…that said, people need to stop using examples from pre-season games as evidence that this change is a mistake.
    There is a reason that no one in their right minds played pre-season fantasy until a year or so ago, and there is a reason gambling on pre-season contests is seen as the most degenerate form of gambling….it is not representative of the actual season.
    As many have noted, outside of the last month of the season, you can likely go the entire year and count on one hand the number of late scratches you wind up with, provided you do your research and follow all the news up until lock. (even a 7pm lock)

    The other crazy thing I keep seeing is the posts dismissing the fact that this is a move people wanted. The posts essentially responding, “Yeah right” to the DK rep.
    If you’re doing that, I just want you to stop for a moment and attempt to contemplate the situation rationally. Do you really think a company like DK just decides to make a move like this on a whim? Do you think they eliminate late-swap because of a few angry e-mails? Because that’s what some of these responses would lead me to believe…
    A move like this is made with extensive market analysis, focus groups, survey’s, cost analysis, just an untold amount of research that we are not privy to.
    Their job is to make money. It’s clear that all those numbers came back and indicated the best way to make more money is within this structure.
    The only way you’ll see a switch back is if people start to leave the site and all that analysis proves false and they wind up losing money.
    That’s it…there’s no need to over-complicate it. And as difficult as it seems for people to accept now-a-days, there is a larger ealm to factor beyond your desires… they obviously think they’re right and it’s not some sort of conspiracy against your views…they are saying you are in the minority for wanting late swap, and/or it makes sense to cater to other users because you are addicted to the product and are going to play regardless.

  • tmarohl

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    FWIW I would have preferred the sites continued to offer two different experiences…that said, people need to stop using examples from pre-season games as evidence that this change is a mistake.
    There is a reason that no one in their right minds played pre-season fantasy until a year or so ago, and there is a reason gambling on pre-season contests is seen as the most degenerate form of gambling….it is not representative of the actual season.
    As many have noted, outside of the last month of the season, you can likely go the entire year and count on one hand the number of late scratches you wind up with, provided you do your research and follow all the news up until lock. (even a 7pm lock)

    The other crazy thing I keep seeing is the posts dismissing the fact that this is a move people wanted. The posts essentially responding, “Yeah right” to the DK rep.
    If you’re doing that, I just want you to stop for a moment and attempt to contemplate the situation rationally. Do you really think a company like DK just decides to make a move like this on a whim? Do you think they eliminate late-swap because of a few angry e-mails? Because that’s what some of these responses would lead me to believe…
    A move like this is made with extensive market analysis, focus groups, survey’s, cost analysis, just an untold amount of research that we are not privy to.
    Their job is to make money. It’s clear that all those numbers came back and indicated the best way to make more money is within this structure.
    The only way you’ll see a switch back is if people start to leave the site and all that analysis proves false and they wind up losing money.
    That’s it…there’s no need to over-complicate it. And as difficult as it seems for people to accept now-a-days, there is a larger ealm to factor beyond your desires… they obviously think they’re right and it’s not some sort of conspiracy against your views…they are saying you are in the minority for wanting late swap, and/or it makes sense to cater to other users because you are addicted to the product and are going to play regardless.

    Excellent point. The fact that they are first doing this with NBA makes me think this is an experiment. Otherwise why wouldn’t they eliminate it for all sports and call it a day?

  • MrFantasy

    @Shipmymoney said...

    Hypothetically, if you were a losing player it would make sense for you to have a higher ROI on a site that has smaller edges/more variance. Not talking about you specifically, just didn’t think that argument supported that the edge isn’t smaller without late swap.

    Gotcha. I see what you mean now and I agree.

  • jdelsas

    @texasrangersfan said...

    You watch that the West Coast Games won’t be on the NBA main slate just like the Monday night game for NFL isn’t on the main slate. That way DK can have multiple slates and make more money.

    I would definitely prefer this over a full slate of all start times. The west coast games will be almost impossible to figure out later in the season when teams are resting players etc.

    Having separate slates designed for 7/8 EST pm and 9/10 EST would make the most sense.

  • JameyRN

    If nobody wants late swap, why are they leaving late swap in play for every other sport except the NBA? Head scratcher.

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