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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • lggarruto

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    @mellofellowsu said...

    There’s a lot of great players that play on FD at those limits and have been doing it for years. You think they’re idiots?

    No but its their choice. It was my choice to sign up and play at DK or FD. I chose DK bc I liked the late swap feature. I don’t care how great the players are there. It is not something I am going to risk on the larger scale.

  • mistermoneybags

    @sjm26b said...

    Because the people upset are a small (but vocal) minority. Im assuming DK has a lot of proprietary data to back up their decision.

    I’m glad someone mentioned the data upon which this decision was based. I for one would love to see it…nothing truly proprietary, mind you….just a simple breakdown on those in favor vs. those against. See, in the absence of something (somewhat) empirical, the rationale offered to date for doing away with late swap is laughable. And simply restricting the change to NBA, which as others have mentioned is the sport most critically impacted by late-breaking news, only serves to heighten my skepticism regarding the true reasoning behind this.

    So, what’s the breakdown on for vs. against? 80% to 20%? 65% to 35%? Heck, even if it was 51% to 49% I could understand the change. But they’ve offered NOTHING other than another one of these “trust us…we know what’s good for you”-type statements which at this point are a dime a dozen. If the outpouring of support for this has been so overwhelming, they shouldn’t have any problem sharing the raw data behind it, should they?

  • billholler

    A week later and still no response from a DK rep other than the canned nonsense spewed to us by Marknes on page 1.

    Someone should start a thread when the season starts next week and track the amount of overlay for GPPs with multiple start times.

  • rebkell

    @mistermoneybags said...

    But they’ve offered NOTHING other than another one of these “trust us…we know what’s good for you”-type statements which at this point are a dime a dozen. If the outpouring of support for this has been so overwhelming, they shouldn’t have any problem sharing the raw data behind it, should they?

    Yep, I remember last year in the game day threads numerous complaints from the FD players that got saddled with the big zeros on their lineups. I certainly heard more complaints about FD not having late swap than I did the other way around. There were some players that said they didn’t like it or want it, but there was definitely a large portion of players that wanted it badly and it was simple play DK if you want it.

    DK doesn’t inspire me with their changes. What was it a couple of years ago they just decided to do away with multiple positions, now they drop late swap which I think they have had since the start and bring back multiple positions, I think they are reactionary and subject to whims, if not why not explain or give some reasoning behind the decisions.

  • zline34

    @mellofellowsu said...

    There’s a lot of great players that play on FD at those limits and have been doing it for years. You think they’re idiots?

    This isn’t Fanduel. I could care less what they do over there. This is Draftkings. This is where the best players play. I don’t think it’s worth risking large entry fees without late swap unless your bankroll is very deep.

  • mellofellowsu

    @zline34 said...

    This isn’t Fanduel. I could care less what they do over there. This is Draftkings. This is where the best players play. I don’t think it’s worth risking large entry fees without late swap unless your bankroll is very deep.

    Best players play on both sites and it doesn’t seem to affect their results.

  • Yeoman

    @billholler said...

    Someone should start a thread when the season starts next week and track the amount of overlay for GPPs with multiple start times.

    Or compare the size of those GPPs with comparable GPPs a year ago. I assume DK’s smart enough to adjust tournament size to avoid overlays. Or maybe I shouldn’t make such a silly assumption but at least it’s a possibility.

  • billholler

    @Yeoman said...

    Or compare the size of those GPPs with comparable GPPs a year ago. I assume DK’s smart enough to adjust tournament size to avoid overlays. Or maybe I shouldn’t make such a silly assumption but at least it’s a possibility.

    It’s a guarantee that the GPP sizes will be smaller. If there is limited or no overlay with smaller GPPs, DK will of course think their plan was a success and they are all geniuses.

  • KindGuy

    I think a better use of our time would be to track the number of late scratches starting on opening night.

    Then maybe during the half way point of the season we can review the numbers and see if removing late swap was actually such a big deal.

  • jimfred82

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    @elementasrat said...

    I think a better use of our time would be to track the number of late scratches starting on opening night.

    Then maybe during the half way point of the season we can review the numbers and see if removing late swap was actually such a big deal.

    great suggestion! Perhaps it could be a new thread. I think you’d want ground rules in there, though, such as “keep things on topic” and “only post unpredictable scratches.” For example, if Anthony Davis rolls his ankle and gets taken out of the game tonight, he’s a predictable scratch tomorrow pretty much no matter what the news says. Compiling actual data will give us a real idea how big the sample size actually is, and will also serve as great data for DK.

  • Oregon97232

    Well, isn’t that just great. I’ve been on a self imposed exile from DK since May and just had my account restored yesterday. Went to sign up for Tuesdays games and saw that and was like, WTF! That was one of the reasons why I enjoyed playing on DK, but I also hated checking my feed for late game news so maybe it won’t be so bad.

  • deactivated51600

    @elementasrat said...

    I think a better use of our time would be to track the number of late scratches starting on opening night.

    Then maybe during the half way point of the season we can review the numbers and see if removing late swap was actually such a big deal.

    Good idea but it isn’t just late scratches that are issue. It’s routine for some(most?) coaches to not even release a starting line up until minutes before tip or at least after 7pm. So would probably also want to track instances where starting line up for a team is not available before first game locks. Which would be multiple daily.

  • mellofellowsu

    @elementasrat said...

    I think a better use of our time would be to track the number of late scratches starting on opening night.

    Then maybe during the half way point of the season we can review the numbers and see if removing late swap was actually such a big deal.

    The ones crying don’t want this. I’m confident that the numbers will bear out how rare it really is.

    If one says “well even one time is too much” that’s fine but we should establish that this is not some persistent threat that’s going to decimate your bankroll by itself. I may suck at this but at least I admit I suck all on my own, not because of lack of late swap.

  • tyrique730

    @mellofellowsu said...

    The ones crying don’t want this. I’m confident that the numbers will bear out how rare it really is.

    If one says “well even one time is too much” that’s fine but we should establish that this is not some persistent threat that’s going to decimate your bankroll by itself. I may suck at this but at least I admit I suck all on my own, not because of lack of late swap.

    ^ lol how many times do you consider rare think about the teams miami spurs lakers, and the players lebron anthony davis dmc rose all these teams n players had scratches last season and you can add warriors this season. with a 7 pm lock you cant really expect it to happen 2 or 3 times only by all star break going to be near 10-15 times at least

  • Unico10

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    Went back a couple of pages and didn’t see it addressed. I apologize if this horse has been beaten to death already.

    Anyone else bothered by the fact that we cannot see own% of players locked and unswappable for games with a later start or opponents lineups?? I am.

  • cubanoshake10

    Weakkkkkkk

  • rebkell

    @Unico10 said...

    Went back a couple of pages and didn’t see it addressed. I apologize if this horse has been beaten to death already.

    Anyone else bothered by the fact that we cannot see own% of players locked and unswappable for games with a later start or opponents lineups?? I am.

    Interesting, I wonder if it’s a remnant from the software change, it may not even be intentional. They’re running a hybrid type game now, no late swap in NBA, but available in the other contests. Still don’t understand why they did it.

  • scottmsteiner

    @Unico10 said...

    Went back a couple of pages and didn’t see it addressed. I apologize if this horse has been beaten to death already.

    Anyone else bothered by the fact that we cannot see own% of players locked and unswappable for games with a later start or opponents lineups?? I am.

    FD has been that way since last year when they removed ownership percentages from Thursday NFL contests. So, it’s not surprising that DK is the same. While I do miss having all the percentages available to me at lock, it’s not really a big deal in my opinion.

  • Unico10

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    @scottmsteiner said...

    FD has been that way since last year when they removed ownership percentages from Thursday NFL contests. So, it’s not surprising that DK is the same. While I do miss having all the percentages available to me at lock, it’s not really a big deal in my opinion.

    I definitely don’t understand why tho

    They said “we remove late swap so that people can just enjoy the games”
    Well then, why shouldn’t I be able to see the own % of my players with a later start or the lineup of my opponent?
    It’s locked, so why not?

  • scottmsteiner

    @Unico10 said...

    It’s locked, so why not?

    The only reason I can think of is that the sites want to create more volume on their late slates. Or, it’s just easier on the programming side to just leave ownership percentages hidden since that’s what they do already.

  • dolphinkick182

    @Unico10 said...

    I definitely don’t understand why tho

    They said “we remove late swap so that people can just enjoy the games”
    Well then, why shouldn’t I be able to see the own % of my players with a later start or the lineup of my opponent?
    It’s locked, so why not?

    The way FD explains it, they do not show ownership % of player in tournaments who’s game isn’t playing yet to remove the advantage of people using that info to make low ownership % picks in later tournaments. Which to me makes sense.

  • dolphinkick182

    @Markness said...

    Hey Guys,

    I wanted to share a little more on our reasoning for removing late-swap for NBA

    I think late-swap was initially viewed by many new and casual customers as a necessary safe guard against a last-minute “scratch,” which has made late-swap a very popular feature for DraftKings over the past few years. While late-swap can help prevent the poor experience of getting a zero in your lineup, there are other uses for the feature which ultimately require users to monitor news and scramble to make last-minute adjustments to their lineups up until tip-off of the last game of the night. For example, often times a late scratch will result in other players becoming valuable picks. So now you are not only monitoring your own players to make sure they are not scratched; you actually should be monitoring all NBA news to capitalize on any new value picks that might transpire while players are still eligible to be swapped.

    We know that there will be customers that are not happy with this decision. However, we have increasingly received feedback from players who have decreased their play or even stopped playing completely because they want to “actually enjoy watching the NBA.” We do see the value of late-swap and there are no plans of removing it for other sports, but for NBA specifically, it has become clear that the amount of extra time and energy required to compete as a result of late-swap functionality is taking too much away from the enjoyment of the game.

    -Mark

    So how then can you call this a game of skill and not gambling? In your own words, you’ve just taken the skill out of it and turned it into plunking money down on the unknown..Sounds like a gamble to me.

  • Yeoman

    @dolphinkick182 said...

    The way FD explains it, they do not show ownership % of player in tournaments who’s game isn’t playing yet to remove the advantage of people using that info to make low ownership % picks in later tournaments. Which to me makes sense.

    Sorry, probably too soon. It’s a sensible explanation and I’m glad they do it this way, especially at FD where there’s no way to see ownership percentages of tournaments you’re not in.

  • JameyRN

    Last season I played $10-$100 every night. With no more last swap, I’m playing $3 tonight just to see how it is. I know $10 a night isn’t much but if enough people don’t play, maybe they will notice.

  • billholler

    @JameyRN said...

    Last season I played $10-$100 every night. With no more last swap, I’m playing $3 tonight just to see how it is. I know $10 a night isn’t much but if enough people don’t play, maybe they will notice.

    I started playing NBA late in the season but was maxing out in the $3-5 GPPs. After whining in this thread since it’s inception, I will only be playing 100 lineups but that’s only because it pays 100 grand for 1st.

    I fully expect a random Spur to be rested tonight in preparation for the playoffs.

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