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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • CLYDENEWSOME

    Isn’t it a “skill”, not a “gamble”

  • jecarl2

    @elementasrat said...

    Yep I’m pissed. Had Conley in a good looking lineup.

    This is the first late scratch of the season though but damn this stings, especially for someone like me who doesn’t create multiple lineups.

    I scored 299 on DK w Gasol…not happy…and the no late swap took less than 1 week to impact me

  • eperson911

    I don’t get it. Are they are trying to appeal to the new NFL players… who will get annoyed when they get burnt because it doesn’t happen in NFL?

  • BigRay

    so I submitted a complaint about the late swap to draft kings. Basically, someone on the thread asked why they did it and I showed DK my response in this thread. you can look back to see it. here is the canned answer I got:

    Good Evening,

    The decision to eliminate late swap was made to enhance the overall enjoyment of our NBA product, which was feedback that we heard from our players.

    Removing late swap will allow all players to enjoy the games that are being played in real time, as opposed to being glued to social media ensuring that there is no news that may impact their lineups.

    We are very excited for what our NBA product holds this season.

    Best,

    Chris
    Customer Experience Associate
    DraftKings, Inc

    I would say to try the same in registering a complaint, but I can see it is worthless.

  • lggarruto

    I didn’t even get a response when I sent my email a few weeks ago.

  • bighop04

    @lggarruto said...

    I didn’t even get a response when I sent my email a few weeks ago.

    Yeah I got the same response as the guy did above you. I would probably rather get no response than some obvious lame copy pasta

  • topspinner

    Vote with your money…..just out of curiosity has anyone noticed a marked increase in nba action at yahoo, since they are the only ones now with late swap?

  • billholler

    Tonight was a night where I completely avoided the main slate because there is no late swap. No way am I playing when the 2 late games have the 2 teams that are most often associated with random late scratches for rest.

  • bighop04

    @billholler said...

    Tonight was a night where I completely avoided the main slate because there is no late swap. No way am I playing when the 2 late games have the 2 teams that are most often associated with random late scratches for rest.

    The Spurs just had 2 days off and have 2 more off til their next game, it is kind of predictable when they will rest people.

  • billholler

    @bighop04 said...

    The Spurs just had 2 days off and have 2 more off til their next game, it is kind of predictable when they will rest people.

    Was more concerned with the Warriors tonight. Expect them to rest at least one starter tonight but which one?

  • Pick1979

    @Markness said...

    Hey Guys,

    I wanted to share a little more on our reasoning for removing late-swap for NBA

    I think late-swap was initially viewed by many new and casual customers as a necessary safe guard against a last-minute “scratch,” which has made late-swap a very popular feature for DraftKings over the past few years. While late-swap can help prevent the poor experience of getting a zero in your lineup, there are other uses for the feature which ultimately require users to monitor news and scramble to make last-minute adjustments to their lineups up until tip-off of the last game of the night. For example, often times a late scratch will result in other players becoming valuable picks. So now you are not only monitoring your own players to make sure they are not scratched; you actually should be monitoring all NBA news to capitalize on any new value picks that might transpire while players are still eligible to be swapped.

    We know that there will be customers that are not happy with this decision. However, we have increasingly received feedback from players who have decreased their play or even stopped playing completely because they want to “actually enjoy watching the NBA.” We do see the value of late-swap and there are no plans of removing it for other sports, but for NBA specifically, it has become clear that the amount of extra time and energy required to compete as a result of late-swap functionality is taking too much away from the enjoyment of the game.

    -Mark

    The decision reeks of someone who was susceptible to a Over-Reaction to a vocal minority of players.

    It seems to me the much better BUSINESS decision would be to create a subset of games that do NOT have a late switch on DK and then see how the response is with those games. I.E see if they are filling up faster, see who is primarily playing them and then with that valuable info make further decisions.

    So you have some emails from people who stop playing or play less because they can’t multi task, did you take the time to poll the current players and do a cost-benefit analysis? Otherwise it seems like a foolish over-reaction and a loss of competitive advantage. Obviously not all players (especially “Casual” players) will not be happy with the original system ( some were probably losing more and just complaining to whine), you should have made a subset of games without a late swap and then adjusted those according, it seems asinine on its face.

    Reason being , you do not Alienate the MAJORITY of your Loyal players.

    The way this change was made upon the DK community of players was poorly reasoned, executed and communicated. So many ways it could have gone smoother and better served the community.

    BTW, I love DK and Will still play, i just think this decison was really an over-reaction based on a minority of players who were vocal, while nobody listened to the majority because they were actually the Happy silent majority until you did this, lol.

  • joephoto

    I did hear a rumor of a FD and DK merger happening eventually.
    This could be just an early step in that direction.

  • BigRay

    Or a person could see this as a way to apease the big money players… top prizes going down, cash line moving to a higher percentage, take going up. To the bigger players these moves mess up their ROI.. this move means more dead line ups to compensate for less of a pay out. Just my 2 cents…

  • Pick1979

    @BigRay said...

    Or a person could see this as a way to apease the big money players… top prizes going down, cash line moving to a higher percentage, take going up. To the bigger players these moves mess up their ROI.. this move means more dead line ups to compensate for less of a pay out. Just my 2 cents…

    That would be the only thing that passes the smell test

    we are in political season and the “so casual players can enjoy the game more” so we are gonna revamp our whole late swap is laughable

    I wonder what the change in percentage of west coast players in Cash game and Tourney lineups has been this year from last under this system.

  • lggarruto

    My volume has decreased dramatically. I have played 3-4 times the whole season.

  • Nosuckoutplz

    Getting burned again tonight, it made me think. Why did we go from one extreme to the other? Shouldn’t there be some compromise, or at least a single concession?

    Do you think it would be difficult to allow for 1 “emergency” swap a night?

    Thanks for any insight.

  • dedlata

    Victiv used to give you an extra player spot that would sub in for your lowest scoring player if that player outscored one in your lineup. In the event of a late scratch it would give you an out. I always liked that. It got rid of late scratch, but helped a sport with such horrible injury reporting.

  • coach232

    • Blogger of the Month

    I had Bogut and Barea in my lineup. Just doesn’t seem fair that i lose the chance to cash because it is easier for players who dont wanna wait for injury or late scratch news. If the player scratches after tip I can live with that in this case the news dropped about 45min before tip and I am stuck no chance to cash

  • zline34

    I’ve gotten burned twice already with no late swap, it’s definitely left a sour taste in my mouth. I’m creating less lineups on DK and will not be playing the $300 contests this year which sucks. I’ve switched most of my action to other sites as a result.

  • Juanpi

    I was so mad at Barea that I wrote an Email to DK yesterday pretty much begging them to reconsider late swap… this is the dumb reply I got:

    Hi Juan,

    The decision to eliminate late swap was made to enhance the overall enjoyment of our NBA product, which was feedback that we heard from our players.

    Removing late swap will allow all players to enjoy the games that are being played in real time, as opposed to being glued to social media ensuring that there is no news that may impact their lineups.

    We are very excited for what our NBA product holds this season.

    Best,

    Nick
    Customer Experience Team Leader
    DraftKings Inc.

    Apart from this reply being pre-written BS, I want to know who they considered for “feedback” to make this decision. My bet is they talked to an undercover FanDuel worker.

  • lloydjv1

    @Juanpi said...

    I was so mad at Barea that I wrote an Email to DK yesterday pretty much begging them to reconsider late swap… this is the dumb reply I got:

    Hi Juan,

    The decision to eliminate late swap was made to enhance the overall enjoyment of our NBA product, which was feedback that we heard from our players.

    Removing late swap will allow all players to enjoy the games that are being played in real time, as opposed to being glued to social media ensuring that there is no news that may impact their lineups.

    We are very excited for what our NBA product holds this season.

    Best,

    Nick
    Customer Experience Team Leader
    DraftKings Inc.

    Apart from this reply being pre-written BS, I want to know who they considered for “feedback” to make this decision. My bet is they talked to an undercover FanDuel worker.

    That wasn’t a very enjoyable experience for me last night where my early lineups were concerned. It was like throwing money away. The way I look at it is that not only are you punishing everyone who had that player rostered, but you are rewarding others who didn’t. This takes some of the skill factor out of playing, I do not feel it enhances the experience. If you don’t want to watch the late scratches and make changes, then accept your fate. It’s a cop out and fact of the matter is, a lot of us lost money on it last night.

  • tmarohl

    @Juanpi said...

    I was so mad at Barea that I wrote an Email to DK yesterday pretty much begging them to reconsider late swap… this is the dumb reply I got:

    Hi Juan,

    The decision to eliminate late swap was made to enhance the overall enjoyment of our NBA product, which was feedback that we heard from our players.

    Removing late swap will allow all players to enjoy the games that are being played in real time, as opposed to being glued to social media ensuring that there is no news that may impact their lineups.

    We are very excited for what our NBA product holds this season.

    Best,

    Nick
    Customer Experience Team Leader
    DraftKings Inc.

    Apart from this reply being pre-written BS, I want to know who they considered for “feedback” to make this decision. My bet is they talked to an undercover FanDuel worker.

    If they would have talked to me, I would have told them that I now find Draftkings playable for NBA now that they eliminated late swap.

  • digglahhh

    MPE does benefit the sharks.

    Think about it this way. There is a decision to make for every player at every position – play or don’t play. The sharks are better at making those decisions. So, MPE just creates more options, meaning there are more decisions to make. The more decisions there are to made, the more the advantage of the best decision-makers compounds. …It’s like more possessions in a football or basketball game – the more possessions there are, the better the chance that the “right” team will win.

    Now, that does mean there are more possibilities to cover the field, so I guess it’s possible that they could win – AGAINST THE ENTIRE FIELD – a bit less often. But, your chance as an individual to beat the pros is not aided by MPE.

  • frugal

    @tmarohl said...

    If they would have talked to me, I would have told them that I now find Draftkings playable for NBA now that they eliminated late swap.

    And all those who flocked to DK from FD because of lateswap now find it the opposite. this really boils down to the 2 sites consolidating. I left FD and never looked back, and now am going to take the mojority of my last 2 years winnings out and limited my DK exposure going forward. Time will tell if it was a good or bad move from a business perspective.

  • tmarohl

    @digglahhh said...

    MPE does benefit the sharks.

    Think about it this way. There is a decision to make for every player at every position – play or don’t play. The sharks are better at making those decisions. So, MPE just creates more options, meaning there are more decisions to make. The more decisions there are to made, the more the advantage of the best decision-makers compounds. …It’s like more possessions in a football or basketball game – the more possessions there are, the better the chance that the “right” team will win.

    Now, that does mean there are more possibilities to cover the field, so I guess it’s possible that they could win – AGAINST THE ENTIRE FIELD – a bit less often. But, your chance as an individual to beat the pros is not aided by MPE.

    Anyone mass entering the max lineups has a better probability than me to take down a gpp. That is just simple math. The fact is there are now more possible combinations that need to be covered (more possible outcomes), so it makes it harder statistically for anyone to win.

    Put it this way, lets say max entry is 150 lineups and there is 10,000 possible outcomes before multiplayer eligibility (pulling these numbers out of the air by the way, have no idea how many possible outcomes there actually are). The single entry player has odds of 1/10,000 or .01% of hitting ultimate lineup. The max entry player has odds of 150/10,0000 or 1.5% chance of hitting ultimate lineup.

    Now lets add multiple position eligibility to the equation. Lets just say this increases the possible outcomes to 15,000. Single entry player now has odds of 1/15,000 or .0067% shot at hitting ultimate lineup. Max Entry player has odds of 150/15,000 or 1% chance of hitting the ultimate lineup.

    Bottom line is multi postion flexibility makes it harder for everyone to win, but will create more variance in who actually wins, so you won’t see the same three people on top of the leaderboard as often. That is my take at least.

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