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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    That seems to confirm that I’ve always told people on this site when people have asked about advice regarding the differences in the sites…
    I’ve always said, “DraftKings provides more ways to win, but conversely if you’re not a great player, it provides more ways to lose.”

    Whether I prefer that or not depends on the given sport and how I’m running. It seems to alternate between the sites. But I have always felt my preparation and research has paid off more on DK, where as FD can get frustrating at times (especially when their pricing is soft) when there are so many obvious plays on a given night, or limited selection at a given position, that the majority of lineups are similar and a half-way decent player can have half their lineup figured out in 30 seconds and then it’s just figuring out those last few guys to plug in.

  • jimmyd1507

    You know what’s cool?

    Having everyone on your team go off except for Wilson Chandler, who didn’t play.

    That’s f****ng cool.

    Probably the last time I play NBA unless it ever goes back to the way it was.

  • baggerly

    @jimmyd1507 said...

    You know what’s cool?

    Having everyone on your team go off except for Wilson Chandler, who didn’t play.

    That’s f****ng cool.

    It was confirmed he was out at 8:40AM EST yesterday. That one is on you not because DK took away late swap.

  • billholler

    @baggerly said...

    It was confirmed he was out at 8:40AM EST yesterday. That one is on you not because DK took away late swap.

    Yeah responses like that make the rest of us fools look foolish.

  • joephoto

    @billholler said...

    make the rest of us fools look foolish.

    He actually played Wilson Chandler ?

    He got what he deserved.

  • billholler

    @joephoto said...

    He actually played Wilson Chandler ?

    He got what he deserved.

    Yep that was the point. If anyone from DK is actually still reading this thread, makes us a lot of our arguments meaningless if a guy is complaining about a zero from a player who was ruled out before morning shoot around.

  • jimmyd1507

    @baggerly said...

    It was confirmed he was out at 8:40AM EST yesterday. That one is on you not because DK took away late swap.

    Except I was doing other things before their game last night… I’ve filled out tons of lineups with randoms just so that I can go back and change the later games at a different time. I do it in NFL every week with the Thursday games. Add in the guys I want from the Thurs game, and then fill in a random lineup just so the lineup gets accepted… then change the rest of the games later.

    Which is what I used to do last year in NBA (since many of the WC games didn’t start until late into the night). Yahoo it is.

  • baggerly

    @jimmyd1507 said...

    Except I was doing other things before their game last night… I’ve filled out tons of lineups with randoms just so that I can go back and change the later games at a different time. I do it in NFL every week with the Thursday games. Add in the guys I want from the Thurs game, and then fill in a random lineup just so the lineup gets accepted… then change the rest of the games later.

    Which is what I used to do last year in NBA (since many of the WC games didn’t start until late into the night). Yahoo it is.

    I still don’t really see how this has anything to do with them taking away late swap. You knew the rules (or you really should have) and you still had someone on your team that had a big O next to his name all day. I do the exact same thing for football as well but I wouldn’t put some random person in the lineup that I knew was going to be out.

  • jimmyd1507

    @baggerly said...

    I still don’t really see how this has anything to do with them taking away late swap. You knew the rules (or you really should have) and you still had someone on your team that had a big O next to his name all day. I do the exact same thing for football as well but I wouldn’t put some random person in the lineup that I knew was going to be out.

    Well had it been last season, I wouldn’t have made the post…

    It is what it is. Just wanted to let it be known if in fact a DK rep ever were to read this.

    I’ll be going to yahoo next season. I only bet maybe $50 a week on nba so they likely won’t care, but I do bet $100-200 a week on nfl.

  • Jcb890

    @billholler said...

    Yep that was the point. If anyone from DK is actually still reading this thread, makes us a lot of our arguments meaningless if a guy is complaining about a zero from a player who was ruled out before morning shoot around.

    Wait, do you actually think Draft Kings reps are reading these comments and give a shit what people here think? I think its pretty obvious that’s not the case.

  • billholler

    @Jcb890 said...

    Wait, do you actually think Draft Kings reps are reading these comments and give a shit what people here think? I think its pretty obvious that’s not the case.

    Someone alerted dude on the first page of this thread and he was gracious enough to stop by and give us the canned response. Thought maybe, just maybe they might check back to see we are at the very least, slightly disgruntled.

    BTW, am I the only one that feels like that generic meaningless response is poking fun at us, like they think we are all morons with Gumpish IQs?

  • Jcb890

    @billholler said...

    Someone alerted dude on the first page of this thread and he was gracious enough to stop by and give us the canned response. Thought maybe, just maybe they might check back to see we are at the very least, slightly disgruntled.

    BTW, am I the only one that feels like that generic meaningless response is poking fun at us, like they think we are all morons with Gumpish IQs?

    It was nice of them to stop in and respond originally, I agree. However, to me, their initial canned response and failure to stop back in shows their true thoughts on the matter.

    No, you aren’t the only one. I often take offense receiving the canned responses like I’m some dummy.

  • rebkell

    I’ve been disappointed in the changes they keep making. It took me a while originally to use the multi-positions to build better lineups and as soon as I was feeling comfortable and felt like I could use it to my advantage, they decided to all of a sudden go to one position per player, then this year two weeks before the season starts they drop the late swap and revert back to multi-positions again. Just not a big fan of the changes they keep making and like the majority don’t think they give a rat’s a$$ about what we think about it.

  • Gfry3

    SO we are about 3 weeks in. Whats everyones thoughts? Used to it? better? Worse? I for one hate it far more than I even anticipated. Its awful to have dead lineups, and worse I think is at 601 I feel like my night is over. I don’t even really see a need to watch the games anymore. Half the fun was the post lock strategy and deciding to swap out guys etc. Now you just sit and stare as you can’t control anything.

    Also not sure but I used to play multiple slates on a night, now I have completely eliminated that because of lack of interest. Which I think they figured would go the other way. Maybe I am in the minority there.

    Thanks again DK! Making DFS worse again!

  • billholler

    @Gfry3 said...

    SO we are about 3 weeks in. Whats everyones thoughts? Used to it? better? Worse? I for one hate it far more than I even anticipated. Its awful to have dead lineups, and worse I think is at 601 I feel like my night is over. I don’t even really see a need to watch the games anymore. Half the fun was the post lock strategy and deciding to swap out guys etc. Now you just sit and stare as you can’t control anything.

    Also not sure but I used to play multiple slates on a night, now I have completely eliminated that because of lack of interest. Which I think they figured would go the other way. Maybe I am in the minority there.

    Thanks again DK! Making DFS worse again!

    Mentioned it earlier in this thread but I usually max enter and also play multiple slates. This season I have been avoiding full slates because of no late swap. The one night I decided to play more than a handful of entries on the full slate, JJ Barea gets a random rest night against the Warriors. Killed about 40% of my lineups. Won’t happen again.

    I personally enjoy the Late and Later slates on DK just because we know before lock who’s in or out. Now it seems DK is trying to kill the smaller slates by reducing the number of entries and prize pools even though they always fill. Same thing they have done with PGA and NASCAR. Makes no sense.

  • MikeMineo

    Apart from that Barea late scratch, I can’t think of any meaningful scratch announced past 7pm so far this season. Lack of late swap certainly hasn’t hampered me.

    If a player is questionable early on and doesn’t have the greatest matchup, just fade from your player pool. If that questionable player happens to have an amazing night, just move on.

  • billholler

    @MikeMineo said...

    Apart from that Barea late scratch, I can’t think of any meaningful scratch announced past 7pm so far this season. Lack of late swap certainly hasn’t hampered me.

    If a player is questionable early on and doesn’t have the greatest matchup, just fade from your player pool. If that questionable player happens to have an amazing night, just move on.

    Conley and Gasol were both scratched after lock. Given a night off for rest one week into the season with absolutely no hint until a few minutes before game time. The Barea game also saw Bogut sitting with no warning. There was also the Dirk night even though he was ill that morning. However all reports were that he was playing.

  • Njsum1

    I know this may be an unpopular opinion (in this thread, but probably not so much overall) yet I’m enjoying the no late swap for NBA. You research the players, you make your lineups, then at 7pm your work is done. You use all available info up until that point to make your best lineups, then you don’t have to worry about it. The playing field is level, people who don’t have all night to monitor news aren’t at a disadvantage, and late scratch misfortune will even out over time. I thought I wouldn’t like it, as I was used to late swap, yet I really do, and I hope it stays this way.

    Also, IMO monitoring news all night, every night for 6 months, isn’t a skill, it’s an annoyance. The skill is in researching the best plays and constructing the best roster according to that research. Not back loading your roster to take advantage of late breaking news for the west coast games when half your competition is sleeping.

    I’ve also never been a fan of being able to swap into a sub optimal play because the roster you made is hot garbage, in order to suck out against a superior lineup. You made your bed, now lie in it. Yet as I said in an earlier post, I wouldn’t mind a sub option as Victiv used to have, if DK could figure out how to implement it, because taking a 0 does suck. Whereas you pick 9 spots and your best 8 scores count. Maybe an extra 3500 in salary for a sub might make everyone happy or at least happy enough. Keep the cap at 50k and allow 3500 for a sub.

  • MikeMineo

    Conley and Gasol were on the first night of a back-to-back seat and Conley had hip issues a week or so earlier. On the road vs Minnesota isn’t exactly an “all in” scenario on either guy.

    As far as Dirk, he’s rarely worth going in heavily on even when he’s healthy; for an older guy like this if there’s ANY hint of illness or injury it’s best to fade.

    Everyone else has to deal with late swap too, so being extra aware of veterans in back to backs or suffering minor ailments is key and could provide an edge. if someone COULD sit, make ownership less than 5%.

    I’m loving no late swap – setting and forgetting – and how it appeals to my strategy of being wary of guys who are possibly hurt. Unless it’s Isaiah Thomas, hurt players don’t often hit insane GPP-winning lineups anyway. While in cash games their floor is too volatile. Not worthwhile either way.

  • billholler

    @Njsum1 said...

    Also, IMO monitoring news all night, every night for 6 months, isn’t a skill, it’s an annoyance. The skill is in researching the best plays and constructing the best roster according to that research

    As has been mentioned numerous times in this thread, you don’t have to sit around checking the interwebs every 2 minutes for late scratches as there are multiple sites that can send you alerts.

    Once again, all the research in the world is not going to help you when players are given the night off for rest and completely random times. The Mavs resting most of their starters in a late game that is expecting a high point total is the best recent example. Once again, this gives the advantage to the max entry guys and hurts the casual player. This decision was supposedly intended to help the casual player which makes zero sense.

  • MikeMineo

    Casual players need to learn to adjust their player shares based on risk assessment — which means monitoring back-to-backs and learning coaching trends to determine expected floor and ceiling in these scenarios. If you deem a players floor at 0, that should likely tell you to maintain very low ownership, even with an ample ceiling.

    Veterans with medical ailments in past month (or a history of sporadic rest) + a b2b usually = maintain 0-5% ownership. 10% max if upside is evident and status seems better than 50% to play.

  • billholler

    @MikeMineo said...

    Conley and Gasol were on the first night of a back-to-back seat and Conley had hip issues a week or so earlier. On the road vs Minnesota isn’t exactly an “all in” scenario on either guy.

    As far as Dirk, he’s rarely worth going in heavily on even when he’s healthy; for an older guy like this if there’s ANY hint of illness or injury it’s best to fade.

    Everyone else has to deal with late swap too, so being extra aware of veterans in back to backs or suffering minor ailments is key and could provide an edge. if someone COULD sit, make ownership less than 5%.

    Saying Conley and Gasol on the FIRST night of a B2B is an excuse to fade them makes no sense. Using Conley’s minor injury a week earlier as an excuse to fade makes even less sense. Both had relatively high ownership because there was absolutely no hint that they may sit.

    The Dirk play I agree would have been risky to start with but he was listed as a full go for that game as was evidenced by his 40% ownership in one of the smaller slates.

    Obviously the main gripe here is that there was no logical reasoning behind removing late swap. It was something unique to DK similar to Nascar, PGA, CFL and MMA that draws in new players and keeps them playing on DK.

    I still believe that once we have legislation that legalizes DFS in the majority of the states, a company with significant financial backing will come along and submit to the masses instead of the minority and give us what we want which will include late swap. That will be the demise of DK and FD even after they merge and they will have been the ones that ate all the legal fees.

  • thehazyone

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    Hey Assani proved you can win with a 0 in a GPP last night (E’Twaun Moore was a late scratch)…

    https://twitter.com/AssaniFisher/status/798543777539313664

  • Njsum1

    If you read my entire post and didn’t just single out the part(s) you disagree with, you’d see I gave many reasons why I personally don’t like late swap for NBA as well as a possible solution. I’ve played dk NBA for two seasons with late swap, and I personally prefer, no late swap. Also I don’t want alerts after 7, cause once I get the alert, if the news is significant, I then have to spend a lot of time redoing my entire lineup. As one change, isn’t just one change it can and often does affect everything else.

  • billholler

    @thehazyone said...

    Hey Assani proved you can win with a 0 in a GPP last night (E’Twaun Moore was a late scratch)…

    https://twitter.com/AssaniFisher/status/798543777539313664

    Pretty sure everyone knows that was a fluke. He finished 96th in the 4 point.

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