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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • tsteeves

    @billholler said...

    You are correct and I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Won’t be the last time. Not good at multi tasking

    No worries. I’ve made mental mistakes many times, especially when tilting about a bad lineup choice haha.

  • billholler

    @tsteeves said...

    No worries. I’ve made mental mistakes many times, especially when tilting about a bad lineup choice haha.

    Mentioned it last night, but I had him in 30 LU and still cashed 18 of them despite the goose egg. Had a good night thanks to avoiding him in cash games but could have been a great night.

  • mcgruffthecrimedog

    I come back to this thread every now and again to see if anyone can give one compelling reason why it’s okay to lose hard earned money because of no late swap. I’m still waiting……

  • tommyboy42609

    @mcgruffthecrimedog said...

    I come back to this thread every now and again to see if anyone can give one compelling reason why it’s okay to lose hard earned money because of no late swap. I’m still waiting……

    You must not be reading hard enough.

  • FoulDong

    So the argument for “no late swap” is all
    about the casual DFS player’s inability to sit at a computer all night long watching NBA news because of family and other commitments. What makes zero sense to me is the definition of casual player. Shouldn’t a casual player only be playing free games or quarter arcades, or at the most, $1-$5 games? So why not just allow late swap for any contest $5 or over and not allow late swap in free games, quarter arcades, $1 – $3 games. If a player doesn’t have time to do late swaps , then they can play hundreds of under $5 games (h2h, 50/50 etc. every night. Let everyone else have late swap. Let the amount of the entry fee determine whether a player is “casual” or more serious , instead of just grouping all casual and serious players together and pissing off half of them nightly. Just a suggestion, carry on now.

  • tsteeves

    I think contest entry fee as the determining factor whether to have late swap or not is an interesting concept, however everyone’s casual amount could be vastly different. I agree for most people casual likely means contests under $5 but surely there’s wealthier folks that are casual players in higher entry fee contests. Fact is there’s no way to satisfy everyone. I’ve been outspoken about not liking the decision to scrap late swap and I still feel the same way but I don’t have the power to change it so my choices were simple, either deal with it and continue playing on DK or shift my action elsewhere. I chose the latter.

  • Boomtown25

    Any chance we could get a petition circulating wherein we (the people who pay the bills at DK) could begin a circulation of a petition wherein we ask DraftKings return to the late swap on all sports? I know I do not speak for everyone, but I have yet to find the person who loves it. From my understanding, their excuse for using it for NBA is “For NBA specifically, it has become clear that the amount of extra time and energy required to compete as a result of late-swap functionality is taking too much away from the enjoyment of the game. While late-swap can help prevent the poor experience of getting a zero in your lineup, there are other uses for the feature which ultimately require users to monitor news and scramble to make last-minute adjustments to their lineups up until tip-off of the last game of the night.”

    Is it just me or does this sound like the biggest sh*t excuse for the proverbial lazy person not wanting to monitor his lineup. Extra time and energy?? Why play if you don’t enjoy what the rules are?? YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY?- “Man, I love fantasy sports, but it is just too much trouble for me to make sure the people who I decided to put in my lineups at 7:00 are starting in a game 2 hours later. If they would just lock the lineups when the first game starts then I would enjoy this stuff so much more. In fact, I was going to play, but now I am not because it would require me to PAY ATTENTION to the games I am actually utilizing in my lineups.”

    This almost sounds like the product of a CEO’s whiny kids whimsical wishes so he can get back to his 24 hour marathon of Gears of War and ignore the lineups he just built or whatever it is they play now. My rant is over. Thank you for listening (and I am actually genuinely interested in a petition if someone knows how to start one that will get to someone that matters……..

  • mellofellowsu

    @FoulDong said...

    So the argument for “no late swap” is all
    about the casual DFS player’s inability to sit at a computer all night long watching NBA news because of family and other commitments. What makes zero sense to me is the definition of casual player. Shouldn’t a casual player only be playing free games or quarter arcades, or at the most, $1-$5 games?

    A casual player can play any limit they can afford.

  • bkr98

    I’m a casual player that plays a couple of contests here and there. I check news before lock just like everyone else. I want late swap…When you enter that contest it is your responsibility to manage your lineup just like coaching. They are taking strategy away. In smaller NFL contests, I can late swap players to more upside or to block opponents. Bring late swap back!

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Boomtown25 said...

    “Man, I love fantasy sports, but it is just too much trouble for me to make sure the people who I decided to put in my lineups at 7:00 are starting in a game 2 hours later. If they would just lock the lineups when the first game starts then I would enjoy this stuff so much more. In fact, I was going to play, but now I am not because it would require me to PAY ATTENTION to the games I am actually utilizing in my lineups.”

    I get what you’re saying, but this is a slightly unfair example, as, like a lot of people in the 40+ pages of this thread have stated, the “do your research and whatever happens, happens” approach is actually a lot better for those with kids, families, other commitments, etc. To say those people don’t exist or shouldn’t have any say probably isn’t fair.

  • lggarruto

    I have kids, I have a job. I am available to clients or employees late night. I get phone calls at 11 PM to do things certain nights. I “was” a high volume player. I have hit the Platinum FPP every month since they rolled it out. I now play sparingly. Maybe once a week in small stakes GPP. I am not chancing 5 $300 teams on injuries. Does it happen all the time, No Absolutely not. But I’m not chancing it with a good chunk. Btw my kids are 6, 5, 6months. I would still be able to swap if I needed too. It also sucks when your in a good spot and have a few guys left that you can swap for higher upside to finish higher. Maybe I’m better off bc NBA is my worst sport. Oh guess what? I never monitored twitter all night long. I have the RG App and you can set it for alerts to know who is in or who is out without having to sit on Twitter all night.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @lggarruto said...

    I have the RG App and you can set it for alerts to know who is in or who is out without having to sit on Twitter all night.

    THIS. The whole I do not have time to follow news all night is just completely false and overblown. If you have a phone and the free RG app, you have the news, and you do not even have to open up Safari, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, etc.

  • tvsfrink

    I’d rather not have my phone keep buzzing me while I’m trying to read Are You My Mother.

  • RockyMtHigh

    Avery Bradley ruled out (notification via RG app) after lock. Lame.

    It’s one thing if they are ruled out before lock, my issue with this is when they’re ruled out after lock.

  • depalma13

    @RockyMtHigh said...

    Avery Bradley ruled out (notification via RG app) after lock. Lame.

    It’s one thing if they are ruled out before lock, my issue with this is when they’re ruled out after lock.

    Even before lock it is still a problem. In the past, you could swap the player for anyone less in a later game and make a decent fix it after the start of the first game. See Lowry the other night.

    Now, instead, you have to have ready built lineups for each player being scratched and have a contingency if a second player scratches or if the replacement is also scratched. Than you need to upload them with a CSV as soon as the news hits.

    The casual player benefits from this how? Oh that’s right, they get to eat a god meal with their wife and kids.

  • swh10e

    Bradley

  • Njsum1

    This thread is getting tiresome. As people simply choose to ignore other people’s opinions which are different from their own. As I’ve stated many times, I’m against late swap, I played on DK with and without and prefer without. Yet I completely understand and am sympathetic to the reasons why people would want late swap. If it is possible, I think it would be fantastic if DK offered an NBA product with and without late swap, giving people the choice of playing the game they prefer.

    However, when I read the argument, “you don’t have to monitor news all night, just get the app” those people are either choosing to ignore or not understanding why people don’t want late swap. It’s not usually as simple as my guy is late scratched let me pivot to another guy. It’s player x is out, who i didn’t roster anyway, yet now min priced player Y is gonna get 35 minutes of run at the point guard, so I need to completely change the 5 to 150 lineups (depending on how may lineups you play) to fit this guy in and scrap all the research and lineup building I had already spent hours on. It’s making dummy or news driven lineups that I then have to fill in halfway through the night to account for all the late breaking news. It’s competing against the players who can mass edit their lineups a lot faster than I can when news breaks, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    So if you are for or against late swap, you should at the very least understand the other side of the argument.

  • tvsfrink

    ^Great post. I love early lock for NBA, but I was perfectly happy to play on FD and let the late swappers have it on DK.

  • Zieg30

    @tvsfrink said...

    ^Great post. I love early lock for NBA, but I was perfectly happy to play on FD and let the late swappers have it on DK.

    Yup. The pros and cons of each don’t really matter. Those of each preference had had a major site they could play their preferred style on, and that’s how it should be.

    It’s a shame that DK did what they did and merely limited player choice overall.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @Njsum1 said...

    However, when I read the argument, “you don’t have to monitor news all night, just get the app” those people are either choosing to ignore or not understanding why people don’t want late swap. It’s not usually as simple as my guy is late scratched let me pivot to another guy. It’s player x is out, who i didn’t roster anyway, yet now min priced player Y is gonna get 35 minutes of run at the point guard, so I need to completely change the 5 to 150 lineups (depending on how may lineups you play) to fit this guy in and scrap all the research and lineup building I had already spent hours on. It’s making dummy or news driven lineups that I then have to fill in halfway through the night to account for all the late breaking news. It’s competing against the players who can mass edit their lineups a lot faster than I can when news breaks, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    So if you are for or against late swap, you should at the very least understand the other side of the argument.

    Lol so you argument for not having late swap is to be compassionate for people with max entries because they would not be able to make the swaps as quickly as someone with a handful of lineups??? Sorry but that’s just a laughable reason to justify no late swap. I think its obvious to everyone that having no late swap benefits the people entering 150 since you don’t have to make as many quick decisions. First of all 150 lineups should not even be necessary all the gpps DK offers could be filled with 50 or less entries. Also most the important news you have to spend researching on comes in in the last couple hours so its not like you have to spend all day making nba lineups, and in many cases the most important news for research comes after lock. I still haven’t heard a valid reason for not having late swap.

  • tvsfrink

    The valid reason is there are two different styles of play and some people prefer the one you don’t prefer. You might as well say “I play NBA and I’ve yet to hear a valid reason for playing NHL.”

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @tvsfrink said...

    The valid reason is there are two different styles of play and some people prefer the one you don’t prefer. You might as well say “I play NBA and I’ve yet to hear a valid reason for playing NHL.”

    Well if DK is making decisions on making it easier for people playing 150 lineups when it has never been necessary to have a 150 entry limit then they have their priorities completely wrong.

  • Njsum1

    @sjs1890 said...

    Lol so you argument for not having late swap is to be compassionate for people with max entries because they would not be able to make the swaps as quickly as someone with a handful of lineups??? Sorry but that’s just a laughable reason to justify no late swap. I think its obvious to everyone that having no late swap benefits the people entering 150 since you don’t have to make as many quick decisions. First of all 150 lineups should not even be necessary all the gpps DK offers could be filled with 50 or less entries. Also most the important news you have to spend researching on comes in in the last couple hours so its not like you have to spend all day making nba lineups, and in many cases the most important news for research comes after lock. I still haven’t heard a valid reason for not having late swap.

    No, actually just the opposite, if you actually read my post, which was the point of my post that people don’t actually read opinions that differ from their own, and don’t just paraphrase and leave out critical parts of the argument. I said people who are unable to quickly mass edit a bunch of lineups, ie the non pros, are at a significant disadvantage with late swap. And gave other valid reasons which of course you ignored. I also said I think it would be great if no late swap and late swap were offered (the part of my post you conveniently chose to omit when quoting my post). Yet I’ve seen you misconstrue well intentioned posts before so I’ll assume thats just kind of your thing.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @Njsum1 said...

    I also said I think it would be great if no late swap and late swap were offered (the part of my post you conveniently chose to omit when quoting my post).

    Having both set of options would be good having more options is always good which is why people liked having one option at FD and another at DK. Realistically its doubtful though as someone mentioned before it would be nice if they offered late swap for over $5 buy in and let the more serious players have the late swap.

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    ANYWAY….

    What do you guys think the odds are of FanKings or DraftDuel offering options for play style? It’s probably naive to think that would even be a possibility, but it would seem to give every consumer what they want.

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