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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • mellofellowsu

    @FoulDong said...

    So the argument for “no late swap” is all
    about the casual DFS player’s inability to sit at a computer all night long watching NBA news because of family and other commitments. What makes zero sense to me is the definition of casual player. Shouldn’t a casual player only be playing free games or quarter arcades, or at the most, $1-$5 games?

    A casual player can play any limit they can afford.

  • bkr98

    I’m a casual player that plays a couple of contests here and there. I check news before lock just like everyone else. I want late swap…When you enter that contest it is your responsibility to manage your lineup just like coaching. They are taking strategy away. In smaller NFL contests, I can late swap players to more upside or to block opponents. Bring late swap back!

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Boomtown25 said...

    “Man, I love fantasy sports, but it is just too much trouble for me to make sure the people who I decided to put in my lineups at 7:00 are starting in a game 2 hours later. If they would just lock the lineups when the first game starts then I would enjoy this stuff so much more. In fact, I was going to play, but now I am not because it would require me to PAY ATTENTION to the games I am actually utilizing in my lineups.”

    I get what you’re saying, but this is a slightly unfair example, as, like a lot of people in the 40+ pages of this thread have stated, the “do your research and whatever happens, happens” approach is actually a lot better for those with kids, families, other commitments, etc. To say those people don’t exist or shouldn’t have any say probably isn’t fair.

  • lggarruto

    • 360

      RG Overall Ranking

    I have kids, I have a job. I am available to clients or employees late night. I get phone calls at 11 PM to do things certain nights. I “was” a high volume player. I have hit the Platinum FPP every month since they rolled it out. I now play sparingly. Maybe once a week in small stakes GPP. I am not chancing 5 $300 teams on injuries. Does it happen all the time, No Absolutely not. But I’m not chancing it with a good chunk. Btw my kids are 6, 5, 6months. I would still be able to swap if I needed too. It also sucks when your in a good spot and have a few guys left that you can swap for higher upside to finish higher. Maybe I’m better off bc NBA is my worst sport. Oh guess what? I never monitored twitter all night long. I have the RG App and you can set it for alerts to know who is in or who is out without having to sit on Twitter all night.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @lggarruto said...

    I have the RG App and you can set it for alerts to know who is in or who is out without having to sit on Twitter all night.

    THIS. The whole I do not have time to follow news all night is just completely false and overblown. If you have a phone and the free RG app, you have the news, and you do not even have to open up Safari, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, etc.

  • tvsfrink

    I’d rather not have my phone keep buzzing me while I’m trying to read Are You My Mother.

  • RockyMtHigh

    Avery Bradley ruled out (notification via RG app) after lock. Lame.

    It’s one thing if they are ruled out before lock, my issue with this is when they’re ruled out after lock.

  • depalma13

    @RockyMtHigh said...

    Avery Bradley ruled out (notification via RG app) after lock. Lame.

    It’s one thing if they are ruled out before lock, my issue with this is when they’re ruled out after lock.

    Even before lock it is still a problem. In the past, you could swap the player for anyone less in a later game and make a decent fix it after the start of the first game. See Lowry the other night.

    Now, instead, you have to have ready built lineups for each player being scratched and have a contingency if a second player scratches or if the replacement is also scratched. Than you need to upload them with a CSV as soon as the news hits.

    The casual player benefits from this how? Oh that’s right, they get to eat a god meal with their wife and kids.

  • swh10e

    Bradley

  • Njsum1

    This thread is getting tiresome. As people simply choose to ignore other people’s opinions which are different from their own. As I’ve stated many times, I’m against late swap, I played on DK with and without and prefer without. Yet I completely understand and am sympathetic to the reasons why people would want late swap. If it is possible, I think it would be fantastic if DK offered an NBA product with and without late swap, giving people the choice of playing the game they prefer.

    However, when I read the argument, “you don’t have to monitor news all night, just get the app” those people are either choosing to ignore or not understanding why people don’t want late swap. It’s not usually as simple as my guy is late scratched let me pivot to another guy. It’s player x is out, who i didn’t roster anyway, yet now min priced player Y is gonna get 35 minutes of run at the point guard, so I need to completely change the 5 to 150 lineups (depending on how may lineups you play) to fit this guy in and scrap all the research and lineup building I had already spent hours on. It’s making dummy or news driven lineups that I then have to fill in halfway through the night to account for all the late breaking news. It’s competing against the players who can mass edit their lineups a lot faster than I can when news breaks, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    So if you are for or against late swap, you should at the very least understand the other side of the argument.

  • tvsfrink

    ^Great post. I love early lock for NBA, but I was perfectly happy to play on FD and let the late swappers have it on DK.

  • Zieg30

    • 530

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @tvsfrink said...

    ^Great post. I love early lock for NBA, but I was perfectly happy to play on FD and let the late swappers have it on DK.

    Yup. The pros and cons of each don’t really matter. Those of each preference had had a major site they could play their preferred style on, and that’s how it should be.

    It’s a shame that DK did what they did and merely limited player choice overall.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @Njsum1 said...

    However, when I read the argument, “you don’t have to monitor news all night, just get the app” those people are either choosing to ignore or not understanding why people don’t want late swap. It’s not usually as simple as my guy is late scratched let me pivot to another guy. It’s player x is out, who i didn’t roster anyway, yet now min priced player Y is gonna get 35 minutes of run at the point guard, so I need to completely change the 5 to 150 lineups (depending on how may lineups you play) to fit this guy in and scrap all the research and lineup building I had already spent hours on. It’s making dummy or news driven lineups that I then have to fill in halfway through the night to account for all the late breaking news. It’s competing against the players who can mass edit their lineups a lot faster than I can when news breaks, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    So if you are for or against late swap, you should at the very least understand the other side of the argument.

    Lol so you argument for not having late swap is to be compassionate for people with max entries because they would not be able to make the swaps as quickly as someone with a handful of lineups??? Sorry but that’s just a laughable reason to justify no late swap. I think its obvious to everyone that having no late swap benefits the people entering 150 since you don’t have to make as many quick decisions. First of all 150 lineups should not even be necessary all the gpps DK offers could be filled with 50 or less entries. Also most the important news you have to spend researching on comes in in the last couple hours so its not like you have to spend all day making nba lineups, and in many cases the most important news for research comes after lock. I still haven’t heard a valid reason for not having late swap.

  • tvsfrink

    The valid reason is there are two different styles of play and some people prefer the one you don’t prefer. You might as well say “I play NBA and I’ve yet to hear a valid reason for playing NHL.”

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @tvsfrink said...

    The valid reason is there are two different styles of play and some people prefer the one you don’t prefer. You might as well say “I play NBA and I’ve yet to hear a valid reason for playing NHL.”

    Well if DK is making decisions on making it easier for people playing 150 lineups when it has never been necessary to have a 150 entry limit then they have their priorities completely wrong.

  • Njsum1

    @sjs1890 said...

    Lol so you argument for not having late swap is to be compassionate for people with max entries because they would not be able to make the swaps as quickly as someone with a handful of lineups??? Sorry but that’s just a laughable reason to justify no late swap. I think its obvious to everyone that having no late swap benefits the people entering 150 since you don’t have to make as many quick decisions. First of all 150 lineups should not even be necessary all the gpps DK offers could be filled with 50 or less entries. Also most the important news you have to spend researching on comes in in the last couple hours so its not like you have to spend all day making nba lineups, and in many cases the most important news for research comes after lock. I still haven’t heard a valid reason for not having late swap.

    No, actually just the opposite, if you actually read my post, which was the point of my post that people don’t actually read opinions that differ from their own, and don’t just paraphrase and leave out critical parts of the argument. I said people who are unable to quickly mass edit a bunch of lineups, ie the non pros, are at a significant disadvantage with late swap. And gave other valid reasons which of course you ignored. I also said I think it would be great if no late swap and late swap were offered (the part of my post you conveniently chose to omit when quoting my post). Yet I’ve seen you misconstrue well intentioned posts before so I’ll assume thats just kind of your thing.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @Njsum1 said...

    I also said I think it would be great if no late swap and late swap were offered (the part of my post you conveniently chose to omit when quoting my post).

    Having both set of options would be good having more options is always good which is why people liked having one option at FD and another at DK. Realistically its doubtful though as someone mentioned before it would be nice if they offered late swap for over $5 buy in and let the more serious players have the late swap.

  • jimfred82

    • Blogger of the Month

    ANYWAY….

    What do you guys think the odds are of FanKings or DraftDuel offering options for play style? It’s probably naive to think that would even be a possibility, but it would seem to give every consumer what they want.

  • ASalvaro

    so there’s no late swap for the $1,000 entry NBA Tournaments either? lol can you imagine getting screwed with a late scratch on one of those???

  • tsteeves

    @jimfred82 said...

    What do you guys think the odds are of FanKings or DraftDuel offering options for play style? It’s probably naive to think that would even be a possibility, but it would seem to give every consumer what they want.

    That would seem to be the best solution. Once the merger happens offer your customer base a choice to play contests with or without late swap. There’s also been debates about the true number of DFSers that prefer no late swap vs late swap. Offering both would certainly give a clearer picture of which is more popular.

  • benstnick

    I personally moved over to Yahoo after being at DK for a good while. I play primarily cash and have hit 4 or 5 zeroes in the last 2 or 3 weeks. It’s just not enjoyable having your niget ended with after lock scratches.

    The lower amount of games kind of sucks, but at least I won’t feel like I’m entering into a crap shoot every night. Can’t even imagine the level of tilt around the all-star break

  • RockyMtHigh

    From now on I’m just going to play the late slate. Sick and tired of this.

  • SkateFiend

    I play at Yahoo where late swap is allowed, but I still got screwed 3,4 times because the scratch occurred after lock or very close to lock. I don’t know about other states, but in CA it is illegal for you to be on your phone while you are driving. If you were away from your phone or PC even an hour before lock, your lineups are theoretically at risk.

    DFS sites should allow you to make contingency plans in case a player become inactive fairly late. Alternate lineups, expanded roster which include the bench, etc. I don’t know what solution is, but SOMETHING can be done. No business that insist on remaining static and ignoring the user experience will thrive long term. If they’re still profitable, someone else will squeeze into your territory and offer something better. Is anyone still using Myspace over Facebook?

    There shouldn’t any “casual vs pro” argument. If there are casual players who prefer a “Set it and forget it” approach, then it’s in the best interest of DFS sites to give them options without alienating pros who play this for a living. And everyone puts in money to play. DFS might be thought as an investment. I’ve never heard of investors who want to get involved with companies that won’t protect their investments.

  • Njsum1

    @SkateFiend said...

    I play at Yahoo where late swap is allowed, but I still got screwed 3,4 times because the scratch occurred after lock or very close to lock. I don’t know about other states, but in CA it is illegal for you to be on your phone while you are driving. If you were away from your phone or PC even an hour before lock, your lineups are theoretically at risk.

    DFS sites should allow you to make contingency plans in case a player become inactive fairly late. Alternate lineups, expanded roster which include the bench, etc. I don’t know what solution is, but SOMETHING can be done. No business that insist on remaining static and ignoring the user experience will thrive long term. If they’re still profitable, someone else will squeeze into your territory and offer something better. Is anyone still using Myspace over Facebook?

    There shouldn’t any “casual vs pro” argument. If there are casual players who prefer a “Set it and forget it” approach, then it’s in the best interest of DFS sites to give them options without alienating pros who play this for a living. And everyone puts in money to play. DFS might be thought as an investment. I’ve never heard of investors who want to get involved with companies that won’t protect their investments.

    I’ve written at the beginning of this thread, that the site Victiv, used to offer an option with their NBA product that would appease both the late swap crowd (those that just want late swap to avoid taking a zero, not those who like to backload lineups and monitor news all night to get an edge on those who don’t) and the no late swap crowd. The way it worked is that you would draft 8 players and 1 sub player who had to be under a specific salary. Essentially giving you 9 players, and your top 8 scores would count. So if a player got late scratched, suffered an in game injury, got benched, or just sucked, you had an out.

    While I think that’s a good system, and the best way to make both sides happy it wasnt without its flaws. Since you were given 5k for the sub, and min priced players were 2k, many players would intentionally draft a min price player that probably wouldn’t play much anyway as part of their 8 players, than use that extra salary to pay up for more stars, knowing that their sub would cover that min priced players low score. Essentially it was figured out that it would usually be optimal to accept the late scratch risk, an use the extra salary to field a stronger lineup. Yet still, in cash games I found it optimal not to do that, and have the insurance policy, yet not for tournaments. Yet I still thought it was a pretty good system. What was nice, was based on the slate, you had the choice of how you wanted to construct your lineup.

    If DK was able to implement that kind of system, they could just lower the cap for the sub player to like 3.5k this way people wouldn’t have incentive to take a min priced player just to free up more cap. Where on the other site your sub could be 5k and min priced guys were 2k so you were able to save an extra 3k in salary by taking scratch risk. Don’t think it would be worth it for 500. Granted a 3500 player won’t make up for a star getting scratched, yet getting a 20 instead of a 0 could still keep you in the hunt. Also a lot of scratches aren’t superstars, they’re 5 to 6k guys so a 3500 sub player could go a long way to filling in for mid and low priced scratches.

  • panomorfos

    This is still a joke! If people want to “enjoy the NBA games” then go sit and watch the games and don’t play DFS. The point of DFS is to make money! The DK customer service is crap. They keep giving me these pathetic excuses week after week. I am basically donating money when i can’t swap a player. The NBA has crappy injury reporting news and DK should allow the late swap for that reason. NFL allows late swap…are people not enjoying the NFL games? Every single time i lose money in a cash lineup it is because of a ZERO! Contest locks at 7pm…player ruled out at 712pm….there is absolutely no way to safeguard against that unless you just don’t play any player that even has a cough that morning. A lot of times it has nothing to do with them being injured or sick. The team might say at the last second “hey we are resting him.” Bye bye money….

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