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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • ASalvaro

    so there’s no late swap for the $1,000 entry NBA Tournaments either? lol can you imagine getting screwed with a late scratch on one of those???

  • tsteeves

    @jimfred82 said...

    What do you guys think the odds are of FanKings or DraftDuel offering options for play style? It’s probably naive to think that would even be a possibility, but it would seem to give every consumer what they want.

    That would seem to be the best solution. Once the merger happens offer your customer base a choice to play contests with or without late swap. There’s also been debates about the true number of DFSers that prefer no late swap vs late swap. Offering both would certainly give a clearer picture of which is more popular.

  • benstnick

    I personally moved over to Yahoo after being at DK for a good while. I play primarily cash and have hit 4 or 5 zeroes in the last 2 or 3 weeks. It’s just not enjoyable having your niget ended with after lock scratches.

    The lower amount of games kind of sucks, but at least I won’t feel like I’m entering into a crap shoot every night. Can’t even imagine the level of tilt around the all-star break

  • RockyMtHigh

    From now on I’m just going to play the late slate. Sick and tired of this.

  • SkateFiend

    I play at Yahoo where late swap is allowed, but I still got screwed 3,4 times because the scratch occurred after lock or very close to lock. I don’t know about other states, but in CA it is illegal for you to be on your phone while you are driving. If you were away from your phone or PC even an hour before lock, your lineups are theoretically at risk.

    DFS sites should allow you to make contingency plans in case a player become inactive fairly late. Alternate lineups, expanded roster which include the bench, etc. I don’t know what solution is, but SOMETHING can be done. No business that insist on remaining static and ignoring the user experience will thrive long term. If they’re still profitable, someone else will squeeze into your territory and offer something better. Is anyone still using Myspace over Facebook?

    There shouldn’t any “casual vs pro” argument. If there are casual players who prefer a “Set it and forget it” approach, then it’s in the best interest of DFS sites to give them options without alienating pros who play this for a living. And everyone puts in money to play. DFS might be thought as an investment. I’ve never heard of investors who want to get involved with companies that won’t protect their investments.

  • Njsum1

    @SkateFiend said...

    I play at Yahoo where late swap is allowed, but I still got screwed 3,4 times because the scratch occurred after lock or very close to lock. I don’t know about other states, but in CA it is illegal for you to be on your phone while you are driving. If you were away from your phone or PC even an hour before lock, your lineups are theoretically at risk.

    DFS sites should allow you to make contingency plans in case a player become inactive fairly late. Alternate lineups, expanded roster which include the bench, etc. I don’t know what solution is, but SOMETHING can be done. No business that insist on remaining static and ignoring the user experience will thrive long term. If they’re still profitable, someone else will squeeze into your territory and offer something better. Is anyone still using Myspace over Facebook?

    There shouldn’t any “casual vs pro” argument. If there are casual players who prefer a “Set it and forget it” approach, then it’s in the best interest of DFS sites to give them options without alienating pros who play this for a living. And everyone puts in money to play. DFS might be thought as an investment. I’ve never heard of investors who want to get involved with companies that won’t protect their investments.

    I’ve written at the beginning of this thread, that the site Victiv, used to offer an option with their NBA product that would appease both the late swap crowd (those that just want late swap to avoid taking a zero, not those who like to backload lineups and monitor news all night to get an edge on those who don’t) and the no late swap crowd. The way it worked is that you would draft 8 players and 1 sub player who had to be under a specific salary. Essentially giving you 9 players, and your top 8 scores would count. So if a player got late scratched, suffered an in game injury, got benched, or just sucked, you had an out.

    While I think that’s a good system, and the best way to make both sides happy it wasnt without its flaws. Since you were given 5k for the sub, and min priced players were 2k, many players would intentionally draft a min price player that probably wouldn’t play much anyway as part of their 8 players, than use that extra salary to pay up for more stars, knowing that their sub would cover that min priced players low score. Essentially it was figured out that it would usually be optimal to accept the late scratch risk, an use the extra salary to field a stronger lineup. Yet still, in cash games I found it optimal not to do that, and have the insurance policy, yet not for tournaments. Yet I still thought it was a pretty good system. What was nice, was based on the slate, you had the choice of how you wanted to construct your lineup.

    If DK was able to implement that kind of system, they could just lower the cap for the sub player to like 3.5k this way people wouldn’t have incentive to take a min priced player just to free up more cap. Where on the other site your sub could be 5k and min priced guys were 2k so you were able to save an extra 3k in salary by taking scratch risk. Don’t think it would be worth it for 500. Granted a 3500 player won’t make up for a star getting scratched, yet getting a 20 instead of a 0 could still keep you in the hunt. Also a lot of scratches aren’t superstars, they’re 5 to 6k guys so a 3500 sub player could go a long way to filling in for mid and low priced scratches.

  • panomorfos

    This is still a joke! If people want to “enjoy the NBA games” then go sit and watch the games and don’t play DFS. The point of DFS is to make money! The DK customer service is crap. They keep giving me these pathetic excuses week after week. I am basically donating money when i can’t swap a player. The NBA has crappy injury reporting news and DK should allow the late swap for that reason. NFL allows late swap…are people not enjoying the NFL games? Every single time i lose money in a cash lineup it is because of a ZERO! Contest locks at 7pm…player ruled out at 712pm….there is absolutely no way to safeguard against that unless you just don’t play any player that even has a cough that morning. A lot of times it has nothing to do with them being injured or sick. The team might say at the last second “hey we are resting him.” Bye bye money….

  • dakimbell

    @panomorfos said...

    This is still a joke! If people want to “enjoy the NBA games” then go sit and watch the games and don’t play DFS. The point of DFS is to make money! The DK customer service is crap. They keep giving me these pathetic excuses week after week. I am basically donating money when i can’t swap a player. The NBA has crappy injury reporting news and DK should allow the late swap for that reason. NFL allows late swap…are people not enjoying the NFL games? Every single time i lose money in a cash lineup it is because of a ZERO! Contest locks at 7pm…player ruled out at 712pm….there is absolutely no way to safeguard against that unless you just don’t play any player that even has a cough that morning. A lot of times it has nothing to do with them being injured or sick. The team might say at the last second “hey we are resting him.” Bye bye money….

    The irony is that of all the sports that need late swap NBA is the one that has more random late scratches than any

  • KindGuy

    It is what it is. Speak with your wallet. Move to Yahoo. Reduce your exposure to players. There are things you can do instead of complaining on here.

  • pacerfan07

    Does anyone know why DK doesn’t release everyone’s full lineup after the lineups are locked? Once the lineups were locked, I downloaded the Excel spreadsheet showing all competitors in that contest. However, it only shows the players for games that have already started. If everyone’s lineup is locked up for the night, why don’t they just show everyone’s full lineup? Am I missing something? It’s not like you could use those ownership percentages to your advantage on the late contests.

    Ultimately, how can I know that Draftkings doesn’t have fake lineups that get adjusted based on late scratches?

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    @pacerfan07 said...

    If everyone’s lineup is locked up for the night, why don’t they just show everyone’s full lineup? Am I missing something? It’s not like you could use those ownership percentages to your advantage on the late contests.

    Ultimately, how can I know that Draftkings doesn’t have fake lineups that get adjusted based on late scratches?

    Yes, you could use those ownership percentages to your advantage in the later slates, and that’s exactly the reason I’ve seen them give for not including the full lineups and ownership percentages at lock.

    As for the second part, it would be criminal for them to do that, and it would be plain stupid for them to take a chance with something like that leaking.

  • pacerfan07

    @hishboo said...

    Yes, you could use those ownership percentages to your advantage in the later slates

    Sorry two more things:

    How would ownership percentages on a full slate correspond to the late slate? For example, say the Knicks tip off at 7 and a lot of people may be all over Hernagomez due to a great price, matchup, and Porzingis being out. This would lower the ownership on other centers such as Boogie. So the full slate may suggest that Boogie has low ownership, where he may have high ownership in the late slate. The entire landscape changes too much when you have less teams to pick from, consequently altering the ownership percentages.

    Secondly, how would releasing the early slate ownership percentages give anyone a competitive advantage on the late slate? Wouldn’t everyone have access to the same information at that point?

    I know it would be criminal and stupid to do. But a lot of people/companies do criminal things for more money. Just look at Enron, rating agencies and banks during the housing collapse, Bernie Madoff, WorldCom, etc; the list goes on and on and on. I’m not saying that DK is doing this, but why not just squash any inkling of doubt by releasing the full lineups after lock. Doing so would yield more pros than cons.

  • billholler

    @hishboo said...

    Yes, you could use those ownership percentages to your advantage in the later slates, and that’s exactly the reason I’ve seen them give for not including the full lineups and ownership percentages at lock.

    As for the second part, it would be criminal for them to do that, and it would be plain stupid for them to take a chance with something like that leaking.

    Based on that reasoning, they are trying to take away every advantage possible from people who are actually willing to spend a few extra minutes doing some research. You don’t have to be a DFS pro to know who is going to have low ownership on any particular slate. Not showing ownership percentages just adds a little more of the gambling element in an industry that is constantly saying DFS is purely a game of skill.

    As for your second part, criminal or not there are too many conspiracy theorists and people who lost $20 and think the sites are rigged that want to take down the industry. Why give them any extra ammunition?

  • billholler

    Let me be the first to bump this after the Jimmy Butler raping.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    come on now Bill its so much more enjoyable for the casuals…. I mean paying attention when you put money at stake is SO HARD

  • AdinGz

    I think sites that don’t offer late swap anymore should at least allow late swap to an injured player before their game starts. I don’t feel this gives the pro an advantage and it doesn’t kill the casual players night either because injury news that came out a few min after lock. What are your guys thoughts?

  • KindGuy

    I’m starting to have a change of heart. 100% Butler exposure for me……

  • billholler

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    come on now Bill its so much more enjoyable for the casuals…. I mean paying attention when you put money at stake is SO HARD

    I know, Heaven forbid you allow us that almost full hour to make changes. I’m so going to enjoy watching NBA even more tonight now that I know I flushed my money down the toilet.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @AdinGz said...

    I think sites that don’t offer late swap anymore should at least allow late swap to an injured player before their game starts. I don’t feel this gives the pro an advantage and it doesn’t kill the casual players night either because injury news that came out a few min after lock. What are your guys thoughts?

    Makes too much sense.

  • Fant8syBr38ker

    Yeah its atrocious, I already complained to DK, and I think its a sad excuse to cheat people out of money. Draftkings thought they were scaring customers away before, im about to say forget it and just play yahoo, cause those people have no idea how to run a business.

  • tvsfrink

    @billholler said...

    the Jimmy Butler raping.

    Jesus Christ.

  • billholler

    @tvsfrink said...

    Jesus Christ.

  • Chewy00

    It was a sad day in nba for me with loosing before it started with that JB scratch. Tough pill to swallow.

  • mellofellowsu

    @elementasrat said...

    It is what it is. Speak with your wallet. Move to Yahoo. Reduce your exposure to players. There are things you can do instead of complaining on here.

    Yeah, I mean last night was brutal with Butler, but I wasn’t completely destroyed because I don’t go all in on anyone anymore. The reason you don’t is because of things like this. Other things may happen, he could’ve twisted an ankle 5 minutes in, or any number of things that would’ve had the same effect. There is a potential huge payoff when going all in, but there is tremendous risk.

    Late swap may not ever come back. Either adjust or quit.

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