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  • lineupofpeace

    Just got an e-mail about this. Also giving players multiple position eligibility.

  • manBEAST

    The thing that makes no sense is you can almost win in any other DFS sport with a 0, in NBA you win nothing GPP wise with a 0.

  • Epignosis

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    Where is this coming from? The DK rules still state:

    LINEUP EDITS

    Lineups may be edited at any time leading up to games. Each individual player will become “locked” at the scheduled start time of their team’s game. A locked player cannot be added or removed from a roster spot. Locked roster spots for all entries are displayed in contest GameCenters.

    If the scheduled start time for a game changes after contests for a Draft Group containing that game become available, DraftKings will take measures to ensure the change is reflected on Draft Screens and for lineup editing purposes. In the rare case that a game starts before the scheduled start time, all players within that game will become locked as soon as our feed reflects that the game has begun. Additionally, any swaps that were made after the real-life start time of the game will result in those lineups being disqualified and refunded.

  • Petergunz82

    @slcseas said...

    I’m actually a fan of these changes. Profit for the serious players is always going to come from the recreational players, and this is great for recreational players. I think this will keep the average player active deeper into the season so it’s not just a rake swap come February.

    NBA with late swap is a real chore for anybody that doesn’t do DFS professionally or has a busy home life. I experienced this after my daughter was born and my school schedule became more intense. I had to stop playing because I was dead money not being able to sit in front of my computer the whole night.

    You have a smartphone right?

  • noddy

    I also think this is great for cash games. Don’t take any chances on someone who is questionable and you’ll make out in the long run for sure.

  • MHDU2424

    Lazy Casual fans had FanDuel already

    Now the people that enjoy late swap have nothing

  • nychas

    Basketball coaches (and football coaches) use “injuries” and “sitting” as part of their overall strategies; they want the opposition to be as unprepared as possible. The late-swap allows DFS players to address (and maybe enjoy) this aspect of the overall NBA strategy/experience.

  • noddy

    @Petergunz82 said...

    You have a smartphone right?

    Some people are not on their phones all night especially if you have kids.

  • Pitch120

    What if DK had tourneys WITH late swap and tourneys WITHOUT. Would that solve all of this?

  • yort05

    Dont like it, take your action to Yahooo! ( They still have late swap)

  • scsa1998

    @Epignosis said...

    Where is this coming from? The DK rules still state:

    LINEUP EDITS

    Lineups may be edited at any time leading up to games. Each individual player will become “locked” at the scheduled start time of their team’s game. A locked player cannot be added or removed from a roster spot. Locked roster spots for all entries are displayed in contest GameCenters.

    If the scheduled start time for a game changes after contests for a Draft Group containing that game become available, DraftKings will take measures to ensure the change is reflected on Draft Screens and for lineup editing purposes. In the rare case that a game starts before the scheduled start time, all players within that game will become locked as soon as our feed reflects that the game has begun. Additionally, any swaps that were made after the real-life start time of the game will result in those lineups being disqualified and refunded.

    They sent an email. The App just got an alert as well.

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @walkoff9 said...

    To me a casual player more than anyone is playing to enjoy watching the games and sweating the action. Is it really that much work to keep an alert app on your phone to give you the news.

    I could see the argument if you really needed to be on your computer constantly checking for news, but really it’s so easy to get the news it should not be that big of a deal.

    Except that’s the thing, your opinion of how DK’s customer base experiences DFS is a pretty low information opinion. Do you think they made a significant change to their product without doing extensive market research? Even in this forum you have a reasonable portion of people saying they appreciate this change.

    Also, For DK’s depositor’s this shouldn’t feel anything like ‘work’ and should feel only like ‘fun’.

  • peachfuzz

    • Blogger of the Month

    @manBEAST said...

    The thing that makes no sense is you can almost win in any other DFS sport with a 0, in NBA you win nothing GPP wise with a 0.

    Not only win, but good luck even cashing with a 0 in your lineups.

  • walkoff9

    @noddy said...

    I also think this is great for cash games. Don’t take any chances on someone who is questionable and you’ll make out in the long run for sure.

    If it was that simple, people would not care as much. But when guys who have no reported injury or anything just randomly get scratched, its going to be so tilting.

  • thetitanlb

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Meh, I don’t know how much skill it takes to check twitter for GTDs. Commitment, yes.

    I think multiple player eligibility adds more skill to NBA DFS than late swap did.

    I can understand everyone on here griping about this because this is precisely the population that benefits from late swap. But if it helps the industry grow I’m for it. I think we have to come to grips with the fact that the product has to continue to change for it to stay. And we frequently won’t like the changes.

    Gambling in the aspect that you are taking a player who might get scratched and you cant do anything about it. Gambling in the aspect that taking players in the later games is just a toss up now once you hit halfway through the season and guys randomly get scratched.

  • stephenly

    Shared my thoughts with DK support:

    I just wanted to communicate my displeasure with the removal of NBA late swap. I know this was done with the intention of “fairness,” but I do not see the fairness in somebody having a dead lineup because a west coast player got scratched last minute 2 hours after rosters lock. Just because some people are better at using the swap feature doesn’t make it inherently unfair… and this is coming from a losing player who probably doesn’t get the maximum benefit from the late swap. At least before if I got a zero in a lineup it was my own fault not dumb luck.

  • slcseas

    @thetitanlb said...

    I dont get how anyone can say this makes it fairer for people who dont check updates. If anything this makes it more unfair every night because a random late scratch happens all the time. So now its just GAMBLING basically and takes out a ton of the skill.

    I don’t think having your entire night available to be on Twitter watching news can be called a skill.

    Yes, there was strategy involved that could capitalize on the late swap feature. There is also strategy that can be used with the absence of late swap. Ownership % are going to be lower in late games. Coaching patterns on resting players will be watched more closely. Leverage plays become more important. Critical thinkers will adapt and capitalize one way or the another.

  • Jeddy3

    This is the biggest load of crap. Late swap was literally the only thing they had going for them.

    What sites still offer late swap?

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Just came here to say HOLY $#@!!!!

    The funny thing is I rolled my eyes at the e-mail and figured it would be some trivial or cosmetic change and then I opened and saw that
    I’m someone who has to force themselves not to tinker, so I didn’t really make much use of late swap, other than if I was able to catch a late scratch, so this actually should help me, but I am kind of sad to see the change because I am someone that appreciated that the two major sites offered different experiences.

  • jilesofthetrees

    • 2016 NASCAR Live Finalist

    @MHDU2424 said...

    Lazy Casual fans had FanDuel already

    Now the people that enjoy late swap have nothing

    DK doesn’t care about their being differing options if ‘their’ version of those options is costing them customers.

  • rocko3807

    @manBEAST said...

    The thing that makes no sense is you can almost win in any other DFS sport with a 0, in NBA you win nothing GPP wise with a 0.

    You aren’t going to win cash games with a 0 either. Why can’t they do both? Have early lock contests and late swap contests?

  • reeses

    @Jeddy3 said...

    This is the biggest load of crap. Late swap was literally the only thing they had going for them.

    What sites still offer late swap?

    Yeah anyone in favor of this is a moron, plain and simple.

  • Petergunz82

    @lggarruto said...

    I have three kids and a full time job that I work 13 hours a day. I am able to find the time to monitor the news. If I start getting burnt by late scratches and get 0’s NBA will become not worth it at all. There are times when I miss news and get a zero and I chalk that up to me not doing what I am supposed to do an follow the news. If its my own fault I can deal with it. When it happens to be because I can’t change it its more of a crap shoot and will not only take the fun out of it but will cause a loss of money that could have been avoided. You just turned yourself into FanDuel and took away the best feature you had imo.

    Please send this to Draftkings support

  • osuryanf

    I’m so-so on the change solely because it’s effecting every NBA DFS Player and not just myself so whatever in that regard… my two problems are:

    A.) This would be a perfectly acceptable change if the NBA was more honest/open about who’s going to play and not play. We’ve discussed for years how there needs to be penalties for teams who wait until the last second to say who’s in/out. Set a designated time across the league (say, 1-2 hours before tipoff) that demands teams to post active rosters for that evening. That’s something the NBA/Adam Silver need to discuss, and something that needs changed in the NBA in general. If that was corrected at the NBA level, this would be a non issue.

    B.) I completely disagree that this is the only sport they’re using the rule on. Now that is just foolish. Football is in the exact same boat except they actually use “questionable, probable, doubtful” much more accurately than the NBA does. The NBA is a joke when it comes to injury designation and how it’ll effect a players status in a game. Yet, we choose the sport that this could drastically hurt DFS players instead of the sport (NFL) that wouldn’t effect players quite as much? That lacks logic and reasoning.

  • scsa1998

    None of this late swap talk would be needed if the NBA required any kind of actual injury report and the teams requiring to say who is playing and who isn’t.

  • coach232

    • Blogger of the Month

    like that rotisserie cooker on the commercial “just set it and forget it”

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