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  • pickles

    Now that it looks like DK has to the $8 entry Two-Man Advantage as its main low/mid-level GPP, I’m curious if people prefer its top heavy pay structure of this tournament over the more traditional pay structures in other GPP’s from earlier this year and last year.

    If I remember right, last year the main GPP around that level was $4 an entry with around 10% going to first on most nights. I don’t understand why they don’t do something similar with the $8 this year. They’ve gone from extremely top heavy over the last week or two almost every night to now tomorrow nights only pays out 6.6% to first.

    Are you guys playing the same amount of volume there as you have in the past? I’m playing a fraction of what I normally do. I’ve moved mostly to Fanduel at this point. I was just curious if I’m in the minority or not.

  • Canuckage

    I’ve already moved all of my volume to FD since last year because I didn’t like the payout structure for DK (6.6% to first). Personally I rather have top heavy structures but 15-20% is too much, I prefer 10% for first which creates a balanced structure. I only played on DK because their mid tier pools are reasonable and FD don’t provide good mid-stakes pools.

    The price point of $8 isn’t also isn’t that great, I think they’ll generate more volume if it was at $5.

  • BeltWieldindad

    The 8 dollar 150 max GPP is completely unbearable and the 15-20% to 1st payout structure makes it one of the worst (if not the worst) tournament on the entire site. Tomorrows at least has a reasonable payout structure but I really have basically no interest in playing this tournament. Unfortunately its small enough that it easily fills every day and draftkings can pat themselves on their backs thinking they did a good job just because their undersized tournament that a significant amount of users don’t enjoy didnt overlay

  • Canuckage

    Are DK and FD discussing prize pools with each other? I feel like they have very similar “special tournaments”, for example the other day FD had a $7 entry with 15k up top and DK had a $8 entry with 15k up top. This happens quite often. Maybe one site is just copying the other prize pools and structures everyday.

  • SteveM

    I’ve moved almost all my action to FD now, too. I don’t like the $8 price point for the “big” GPP and also dislike the overly topheavy payouts (and the weirdly flat one they have going tomorrow). 10% for 1st would be good. If they must stick to the silly rule about only allowing 20 entries for tourneys $4 and under, why not have $4 20-max and a big $5 150-max? Volume would go way up which would sustain the big top prizes they seem to like.

    It’s also frustrating that they are constantly changing things around for no apparent reason. Huge prize pools on 2-3 game slates and small ones on big slates, “specials,” etc. I think if they quit screwing around and settle on a reasonable structure (could always ask players, you know) the high volume players would return and they could ramp up the prize pools little by little, being sure to avoid the dreaded overlay.

    See you all at FD!

  • zombiekopitar

    I bet they went with a conservative GPP for tomorrow because tonight’s garbage slate didn’t fill. Tomorrow they could for sure run a huge GPP, good games and NBA only has 2 games….and they’re running that cancelled slate freebie which will entice people to enter.

    They are very illogical when it comes to NHL and MMA contests in general.

  • Canuckage

    @zombiekopitar said...

    I bet they went with a conservative GPP for tomorrow because tonight’s garbage slate didn’t fill. Tomorrow they could for sure run a huge GPP, good games and NBA only has 2 games….and they’re running that cancelled slate freebie which will entice people to enter.

    They are very illogical when it comes to NHL and MMA contests in general.

    That’s the frustrating part. Just because the GPP didn’t fill they might think there’s lack of interest for NHL but the truth is that the payout structure was total garbage and most likely contributed to the overlay. During NBA All Star break, NHL had like over 100k pools that filled up easily therefore I feel there are increased NHL interest from previous years. People that want to flick some NHL that come from NBA/NFL are unlikely to enter if top prize is 3k when they are used to 20k+ first place prizes.

    Please just make 50k GTD prize pools with $4-5 entry fee and 10% for first. Stop flipping a coin to decide if the first place prize should be 20% or 6% of prize pool. FD is definitely far superior in $3-$4 entry fee pools but is way too conservative with prize pool GTD. Pools usually fill up 2-3 hours before lock and they throw out these 2-3k NHL Breakaway #2, #3, #4 which is really stupid.

  • sizzlebeans

    Draft kings needs to bring back the 20 entry max $40k Forecheck. Simple as that. The sniper is a joke of a tourney, and fuck paying $8 a line up in 150 max shark infested waters GPP.

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    @BeltWieldindad said...

    The 8 dollar 150 max GPP is completely unbearable and the 15-20% to 1st payout structure makes it one of the worst (if not the worst) tournament on the entire site. Tomorrows at least has a reasonable payout structure but I really have basically no interest in playing this tournament. Unfortunately its small enough that it easily fills every day and draftkings can pat themselves on their backs thinking they did a good job just because their undersized tournament that a significant amount of users don’t enjoy didnt overlay

    Agreed.

    The $8 150 max GPPs have been, for the most part, horrible this season. Far too lottery-style with top end payouts that are unnecessary that then get ridiculously low by the time you’re down to even 10th place.

    Though it makes little difference, I boycotted DK’s $8 last night because it was so ridiculous, and wrote into support saying so.

    Tonight’s payout structure is MUCH better, and I’ll be playing a number of entries as a result (and also wrote into support saying so – though I also recommended once again that they filter in some $4 20-max entries).

  • Zieg30

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    @sizzlebeans said...

    Draft kings needs to bring back the 20 entry max $40k Forecheck. Simple as that. The sniper is a joke of a tourney, and fuck paying $8 a line up in 150 max shark infested waters GPP.

    Agreed. The 20 entry max $40k (I think they could even try $45k) forecheck needs to be up there at least 2-3 times per week.

  • pickles

    I’m glad they are offering a 150 max entry gpp nightly now,but they have got to be way better with pay structure.

    They ran a $5 150 max 3 nights in a row a few weeks ago and it filled easily each night. Not sure why they abandoned that.

    I like that tonight is a flatter payout. If they keep that structure and add 2 or 3k more total entries i think it would fill nightly. And first place would pay out enough to be worth it for people who max enter.

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    The tournaments tonight are too small. I play basically every night. I like the graduation of tonights pay scale, where 10th is 10% of 1st.

    Paying 25.81% of the field is still beyond dumb to me and would much prefer a number in th 18-20% range and up the top a bit to get it to $5k with 10th being $500…

  • Zieg30

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    @PigskinaBlanket said...

    The tournaments tonight are too small. I play basically every night. I like the graduation of tonights pay scale, where 10th is 10% of 1st.

    Paying 25.81% of the field is still beyond dumb to me and would much prefer a number in th 18-20% range and up the top a bit to get it to $5k with 10th being $500…

    I agree that 25.81% is too many, but at least it’s rational from their perspective. They want to keep more money in their ecosystem, and spreading winnings out assists with that, as more people keep more money.

    It’s the irrationality of paying 25% to 1st place that I don’t understand. It doesn’t encourage entries and also doesn’t help the site.

  • jjwd

    @PigskinaBlanket said...

    The tournaments tonight are too small

    The big tournaments are full, 45 mins early. They are missing out on my money, along with everyone else who has a life. How is filling so early a good idea? It’s routine for them. Anyone have a rational explanation for this?

  • zombiekopitar

    @jjwd said...

    The big tournaments are full, 45 mins early. They are missing out on my money, along with everyone else who has a life. How is filling so early a good idea? It’s routine for them. Anyone have a rational explanation for this?

    They were full an hour and half early, SMH. I think on occasion they will have some really bad overlay so they stay conservative even on obvious slates like tonight that were going to fill up easy.
    I think they could runs something like a $6 75k on any decent slate with 4+ games no problem.

    It’s even worse with MMA sometimes they will fill 8 hours early.

  • Canuckage

    @zombiekopitar said...

    nk they could runs something like a $6 75k on any decent slate with 4+ ga

    +1111111111

    Please have a good prize pool when there are 5+ games and not when there is 2-3 games slate. Watch tomorrow be like 50k GTD and 10k for first again

  • jjwd

    @zombiekopitar said...

    They were full an hour and half early, SMH

    Dang, I didn’t know that. It’s so bad that I feel like I’m missing something here, strategy-wise on their part. Don’t they want casual players to play big tournaments?

  • Canuckage

    The brutal truth is that they don’t give a # about NHL DFS. On most days, the NHL main pool is 1/10 of the NBA pools. I think the reason they make ridiculous payouts of 20% to first is because they want to make it attractive for casual and NBA DFS players because it’s not really appealing to risk $8 and win like $2000.

    FD or DK can really grow NHL DFS but probably don’t find it profitable as it is such a small market. Really hoping the Saturday NHL DFS pools will increase once NFL goes away. Saturday slate are usually most fun but usually have tiny prize pools due to NFL.

  • pickles

    @Canuckage said...

    +1111111111

    Please have a good prize pool when there are 5+ games and not when there is 2-3 games slate. Watch tomorrow be like 50k GTD and 10k for first again

    Tomorrows payout structure actually looks perfect. Wish it was a little bigger but it could be worse. Maybe they got the message when todays filled an hour and a half early while yesterdays didnt come close to filling with that ridiculous top heavy crap.

  • Zieg30

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    @pickles said...

    Tomorrows payout structure actually looks perfect. Wish it was a little bigger but it could be worse. Maybe they got the message when todays filled an hour and a half early while yesterdays didnt come close to filling with that ridiculous top heavy crap.

    Not perfect. 10th is too small a percentage of 1st. It should never be less than 10% of 1st.

  • Canuckage

    I also like the payout structure tomorrow. 10th is rarely 10% of 1st place since they want big prizes to attract people. I would rather have 10% of prize pool for first then 6-7% for first and a flat payout structure. It is simply not appealing to casual players to win a contest and get like 2.5k.

  • scsa1998

    If the $3 sniper was half the prizepool of the $3 sharpeshooter every night will it not fill?

  • whitepuma

    Can someone explain why the hell DK puts on better tournaments with very short slates? Total piss take

  • pickles

    @whitepuma said...

    Can someone explain why the hell DK puts on better tournaments with very short slates? Total piss take

    My guess is to generate more interest in a slate thats not that appealing to some. That 10k first place in the $8 will get people to play even if they were on the fence about it on a small slate.

    I like what they have been doing with the gpp’s in general the last week or so-I do think they can add alot more entries to the main ones on big slates though. They have been filling really early on alot of nights.

  • Canuckage

    @whitepuma said...

    Can someone explain why the hell DK puts on better tournaments with very short slates? Total piss take

    Few possible explanations:
    1) There isn’t really NBA DFS tonight (1 game night) therefore they made NHL DFS a bit higher than usual tonight
    2) DK and FD want to reduce skill factor needed to win
    3) Contest makers are just flipping coins on what the prize pool should be

  • Zieg30

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    @Canuckage said...

    Few possible explanations:
    1) There isn’t really NBA DFS tonight (1 game night) therefore they made NHL DFS a bit higher than usual tonight
    2) DK and FD want to reduce skill factor needed to win
    3) Contest makers are just flipping coins on what the prize pool should be

    #1 would be somewhat rational.

    I actually think the likeliest explanation is that they know Tuesdays are typically the biggest NHL slate of the week, so set the bigger tournaments for Tuesdays, but just don’t even bother to check when that’s not the case and it’s a random smaller slate on a Tuesday.

    It’s, frankly, really frustrating. Tomorrow night should really have this tournament size (with a better payout structure, mind you) instead.

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