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  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    Yes, it’s frustrating hearing about all of the potential states not allowing DFS, but what are sites doing to try and fix this?

    The last time I checked, scripting was still a huge issue, multi-entry limits are still a concern, and on most sites global volume limits are a joke.

    I sit here everyday waiting to see if Missouri is going to be added to the list, while the sites I play on are seemingly taking zero actions to improve their image in the public eye, or improve their argument that DFS is a skill game played on a level playing field.

    I’m sure DFS sites do care. However, you would think that if sites were ever going to make changes to some of these concerns, now would be the time. Instead, they seem to be doing nothing, just like the past 3+ years that got us here.

  • Vigilantes

    Sure they care, they stopped sending rankings to RG. Problem solved.

  • Njcop2001

    Their silence and lack of corrective action should tell you something about their business practices.

  • AtGame7

    There is part of me that understands business is business and all they care about is the immediate bottom line, but then there is the bigger picture that I firmly believe they have no clue or concern about.

    The negative issues they have facing them are gigantic and obvious yet because they feel the immediate need to cater to the large volume players they are inviting disaster to their front door. I don’t pretend to know how many DFS players are from one state vs the next so I’ll (unfairly) count each state as equal. They just lost 2% of their potential player pool and are in real good position to lose 4% more this week. Do the high volume guys they cater too make up 6% of the total rake? Maybe, I honestly don’t know, but you would think they wouldn’t want to give up ANY potential players, right?

    The real reason the states are banning or trying to ban DFS has nothing to do with scripting and contest limits, but those things sure make the sites an easy target and it’s something they could easily fix, but don’t.

    The silence, in this case, is deafening.

  • bobbyrogers46

    @AtGame7 said...

    There is part of me that understands business is business and all they care about is the immediate bottom line, but then there is the bigger picture that I firmly believe they have no clue or concern about.

    The negative issues they have facing them are gigantic and obvious yet because they feel the immediate need to cater to the large volume players they are inviting disaster to their front door. I don’t pretend to know how many DFS players are from one state vs the next so I’ll (unfairly) count each state as equal. They just lost 2% of their potential player pool and are in real good position to lose 4% more this week. Do the high volume guys they cater too make up 6% of the total rake? Maybe, I honestly don’t know, but you would think they wouldn’t want to give up ANY potential players, right?

    The real reason the states are banning or trying to ban DFS has nothing to do with scripting and contest limits, but those things sure make the sites an easy target and it’s something they could easily fix, but don’t.

    The silence, in this case, is deafening.

    This ^^^

  • tonytone1908

    @AtGame7 said...

    They just lost 2% of their potential player pool and are in real good position to lose 4% more this week. Do the high volume guys they cater too make up 6% of the total rake?

    Yes. They do. The people that lost and left this week will be replaced by people who watched a million commercials and gave it a try. Then those people will lose and leave and be replaced by new people.

    People might think golf (Or anything in the world for that matter) is easy, give it a try, and find out it’s not so easy and quit. Someone else will come the next week and do the same thing.

    Everyone acts like there’s no revolving door and players will keep leaving til there’s none left. That’s not the case. You might keep them around for a little while but eventually they’ll leave and be replaced by someone else.

    Yes the cater to the big spenders, why wouldn’t they? That’s where they make their money.

  • DannyTanner

    At this point, everything that matters is going on behind the scenes with lobbyists, backroom meetings, investors, etc…

    While it would be nice for our fears to be acknowledged, it seems that any statement/changes made would only do more harm than good.

    Like it or not, that’s where we’re at. Lets hope the DFS industry is doing a good job for us; though it’s hard to be optimistic given that we’re counting on the same people that led us to this point in the first place.

  • AtGame7

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Everyone acts like there’s no revolving door and players will keep leaving til there’s none left. That’s not the case. You might keep them around for a little while but eventually they’ll leave and be replaced by someone else.

    Aren’t you, at least a little, making my point for me? Yes, there is a revolving door of players coming and going, but the potential line coming in just got shorter and is about to get even shorter. Granted, it’s currently miles long, but a few miles less today than it was. That’s never a good thing.

    At what point do you concede the revolving door stops turning? When 10 states are gone? 20? All 50? States are certainly leaving faster than they are coming in. The danger of a shrinking player pool is certainly not immediate, but it is real and sooner than later could be a reality. Then what? Your revolving door suddenly becomes exit only.

  • Steroid

    @DannyTanner said...

    At this point, everything that matters is going on behind the scenes with lobbyists, backroom meetings, investors, etc…

    While it would be nice for our fears to be acknowledged, it seems that any statement/changes made would only do more harm than good.

    Like it or not, that’s where we’re at. Lets hope the DFS industry is doing a good job for us; though it’s hard to be optimistic given that we’re counting on the same people that led us to this point in the first place.

    This is exactly right. The 18-34 male DFS vote is not important for elections anyway, lol.

  • MikeSos760

    @Vigilantes said...

    Sure they care, they stopped sending rankings to RG. Problem solved.

    This sends a frown to my face.

  • tonytone1908

    @AtGame7 said...

    Aren’t you, at least a little, making my point for me? Yes, there is a revolving door of players coming and going, but the potential line coming in just got shorter and is about to get even shorter. Granted, it’s currently miles long, but a few miles less today than it was. That’s never a good thing.

    At what point do you concede the revolving door stops turning? When 10 states are gone? 20? All 50? States are certainly leaving faster than they are coming in. The danger of a shrinking player pool is certainly not immediate, but it is real and sooner than later could be a reality. Then what? Your revolving door suddenly becomes exit only.

    Sorry I thought you were referring to scripting being the reason why people were leaving. Didn’t realize you meant because states were getting kicked out.

    Trust me. They’re not getting kicked because of scripting or catering to the heavy players.

  • AtGame7

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Trust me. They’re not getting kicked because of scripting or catering to the heavy players.

    I agree 100%, but they are providing ammunition for elected officials and that has to be a least a little concerning. The high profile articles sighting scripting and such don’t do us any good. Not to mention, these are actual problems with the industry. I think most of us would like to see the industry address these problems whether or not regulation is on the line.

    Regulation is on the line, however and there is no need to pour gas on the fire as that never seems to end well.

  • North

    The accepted (even encouraged) norm in this country has become to get as much as you can, as fast as you can, any way you can…ethics and honesty be damned.

    Principals involved in the DFS sites will walk away from this mess with full pockets, lay low and wait for “the next big thing.”

    Didn’t many of those involved with starting and running the DFS sites come from online poker backgrounds?

    There’s the red flag we all chose to ignore or dismiss.

    So, do the sites care?

    Maybe…if there’s a chance some of the principals face prison time.

    Otherwise, the short answer is no.

  • BreakingBacon

    I think there’s a reason why one of the big DFS sites (can’t remember which one) said they were making a DFS site for Europe… hint hint.

  • Steroid

    @North said...

    The accepted (even encouraged) norm in this country has become to get as much as you can, as fast as you can, any way you can…ethics and honesty be damned.

    Principals involved in the DFS sites will walk away from this mess with full pockets, lay low and wait for “the next big thing.”

    Didn’t many of those involved with starting and running the DFS sites come from online poker backgrounds?

    There’s the red flag we all chose to ignore or dismiss.

    So, do the sites care?

    Maybe…if there’s a chance some of the principals face prison time.

    Otherwise, the short answer is no.

    I don’t see any evidence of this, in fact, the reverse. These guys want this to be a new industry and are doing all they can to change it so everyone is happy. There may be some bad actors, but they want them gone, and if they are the online poker guys, so be it. Also, just because someone comes from online poker doesn’t mean they are criminals or everything they do afterwards is going to be shady. Maybe they saw this as an alternative way to do something that uses the same kind of skill in a legally accepted way. Besides, lots of poker player are good traders on wall street or with hedge funds. Watch the Interview with the CEO of DK.

  • North

    @Steroid said...

    I don’t see any evidence of this, in fact, the reverse.

    No offense intended, but you’re being very naive.

    Reread your reply and give it a good, long think. :)

  • Steroid

    @North said...

    No offense intended, but you’re being very naive.

    Reread your reply and give it a good, long think. :)

    You’re right, I re-read. They want this to go down in flames. It was their exit strategy all along, part of their business plan.

    Yes, DK made a mistake in being too aggressive with customer acquisition being the #1 goal after their latest huge round of investment money. That was likely pressured by those investors. It worked, they became number 1. But it’s all in hindsight now.

    Limits were going to be have to be placed sooner or later, and that time is now. The question is whether those limits are not allowed, or allowed with tons of “consumer protections”. My guess is IF it’s still legal in states, its going to be very limited, and hopefully overtime, those limits are taken off one at a time to an equilibrium. That’s best case. Or, maybe this becomes a fight all the way up to the Supreme Court, who knows. At any event, this day of placing limits had to happen sooner or later, so don’t know if it was a certain company’s fault or a certain “event” to blame. It was inevitable.

  • North

    @Steroid said...

    They want this to go down in flames. It was their exit strategy all along, part of their business plan.

    I know you’re being sarcastic, but you may be closer to the truth than you realize.

    “They” don’t care that it’s going down in flames. Read tgowen’s original post where he correctly points out how the sites have responded (not) to the problems that have been building over the years.

    Get in, get yo money, get out…that’s how America rolls.

    LOL

    That’s a sad and disgusted laugh by the way. :)

  • dude_abides7

    Keeping thing simple – The fact that someone has to ask “Do the sites care?” inherently provides you the answer to some degree. At the very least I feel the “optics” indicate that if something doesn’t support their bottom line, they don’t care. This is how I personally feel and my opinion is based on a laundry list of factors that are very hard to ignore.

  • bigloser11

    In some of the other threads that have cropped up this week, there is mention of a DFS group that has been around since the late 1990s.They may have come into existence because of the season long games that existed when DFS was young and the internet was fairly new.

    The story of Fantasy Aces applying for a Nevada gaming license is false and addressed by FA.

    There is a lot of fear mongering and rumors circulating. My opinion is this is a process that will take time and $$ w/ lawyers and interest groups duking it out. FD has been running longer more mature ads lately and DK has billboards everywhere including hockey games. Time will tell. jm

  • walkoff9

    • 676

      RG Overall Ranking

    It’s probably time for the sites to hand over control to an experienced CEO type.

  • slashtc

    @Steroid said...

    These guys want this to be a new industry and are doing all they can to change it so everyone is happy.

    What exactly have they done to change things to make people happy? The last change allowed the pros to use scripts. Sine the last few situations, they have done nothing but throw out a freeroll here or there.

    If they were actually doing something, you might have a point. Given their response, we have to believe they don’t care. They made their fortune, now they can move on to the next one.

    The only people that really care are the pros and those of us that do this low-stakes for fun and not really the money. We care for completely different reasons, but we care.

  • tonytone1908

    Even if the sites don’t care I know the leagues do. The leagues aren’t going to let DFS go away without a fight. It’s way too profitable for them.

  • hbbomaha

    @walkoff9 said...

    It’s probably time for the sites to hand over control to an experienced CEO type.

    12 months ago in all honesty.

  • madmanjayWV

    Does one really have to ask DO THEY CARE?

    If so they wouldn’t be staring at this — IMO —- http://www.legalsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Florida-Class-action.pdf

  • ebsteelers

    not enough.

    cant help but laugh when there is about 200 spots of overlay with 2 minutes left on dk..
    and then boom its filled

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