• BigRay

    So someone else doped up his horse? What about the 2 in Arkansas? Dude should be banned for life.

  • realphipps

    A horse owner talking down piles of dead horses killed for two minutes of entertainment.

    That says A LOT.

  • yisman

    I decided to look up that study on MMA. There’s no doubt the sport involves a lot of head injuries but the study was 100% bogus.

    “The study conducted by Prof. Hutchison and doctors at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto did not involve actual medical diagnosis of MMA fighters.

    Instead, they analysed the publicly available scorecards from professional UFC matches, which indicate whether a fight ended in a knockout or TKO. While not definitive evidence, it is probable that a knockout, where the fighter loses consciousness, involves a concussion or more severe brain injury, said Prof. Hutchison.”

    They just compared total MMA fights to fights that ended by a TKO or KO and then stated that anything with a “knockout” is a “traumatic brain injury”.

    The basis of the “33%” number was simply percentage of UFC fights over the period they looked at that ended in a knockout. Pretty sad this was called a study.

  • BigRay

    Wow. This thread devolved pretty quickly. I guess it is like most of the threads on this site. One last word. Yes. doping horses goes on. Bob himself has been apart of 8-9 different doping circumstances. It would seem he does not have control of what is going on with his horses. He probably could fix that but maybe that is just his defense. Kinda of like Ronald Reagan. I don’t recall. I wasn’t aware. It wasn’t me.

  • timusbr

    Ive been everywhere on a race track and watched daily business. The race track is not for the faint of heart. A ton of good people, a ton of decent people with issues (just like everywhere else). a whole bunch of people that are uneducated, getting by, and looking for an angle to help get ahead.

    The racetrack is a place where the workers are the second class citizens. They are put in their place just about everyday. Does cheating go on? You bet your life on it. So many ways to cheat. I favor the conspiracy cheats. a jockey colony is for the most part an extended family. 40 years ago at Arlington Park, they were all related by marriage/blood. The trainers were for the most part conivers. The one thing you could count on was….the big race was going to be clean. Nobody messes in the pot, everyone eats from. Baffart and the “wasnt me” culture, is a sign of the times. With all the money out their, maybe it wasnt. give him some benefit of the doubt. Here is the point. Its his barn, His livelihood, The buck stops with him. He gets paid an aweful lot of money to get a horse to the post and hopefully to a paycheck. Its his house that needs cleaning, his people are to blame, his lack of security. It boils down to Him, thats why the rules say ban the trainer/ fine the trainer/ suspend the trainer. LMAO, he might be listed as the trainer, but pretty sure the assistant trainer who doesnt get paid the big bucks, does most/all of the work with the horse.

  • colagada

    Actually, about $10.8 billion was wagered on North American racing in 2020, down from $11 billion in 2019 and $11.1 billion in 2018. Those figures aren’t wild guesses; they’re readily available from the industry, and can be found in most trade publications (Bloodhorse, Paulick, TDN, etc.) and on Equibase.

    There are points to be made on both sides for MMA and racing. The horses don’t choose what they do, but if they suffer a major injury, they can be euthanized, and that’s the humane thing to do when it reaches that point. Some contend that the horses shouldn’t be racing in the first place (I don’t have an opinion either way). But it’s a big industry, and it isn’t likely to just disappear.

    Fighting-style sports (i.e. boxing, MMA) have a high rate of serious injury, especially to the head. While the fighters (should) know what they’re getting into, they can’t be euthanized when they suffer a brain or other debilitating injury. Some contend that MMA should be abolished (I don’t have an opinion either way), because of the high rate of serious injury (compared to most other sports); this was also said about boxing long before MMA came into the mainstream. However, MMA is now big business, and it isn’t likely to go away soon.

    Getting back to the topic of the thread, I’ve known Baffert for about twenty years, and I don’t put cheating past him, nor do I put it past any other horsemen. That doesn’t mean that he cheats or doesn’t cheat, but he’s certainly not a saint.

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