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  • LuckySpacePrincess

    Apologizing in advance for how lengthy this post is.

    Hi all,

    I’m not super familiar with DFS, other than what my boyfriend has told me over the past few months, so I wanted to ask you guys! My bf, let’s call him W, for now, has stopped picking up shifts at work to pursue his dream of becoming a DFS player full time. He basically went to work less and less and started playing more and more, until he didn’t really have a job. Do professional DFSers usually have day jobs? W keeps saying they don’t but nothing I read confirms that.

    I was never ok with DFS being W’s sole source of income, but he said “I didn’t believe in him” when I protested. He often lies about DFS, how many tournaments he’s playing vs. how many cash games, how much he made or lost, about paying his friends back, etc….We’re basically broke now but W says DFS is going to be our income, so he’s pursuing it. I’ve literally skipped meals, because he spends any cash we get playing. He says hard times will be over soon. W stopped paying rent and I’m afraid we’re going to lose our apartment if he doesn’t make this real income fast. When I bring it up he gets pissed. He slowly borrowed around $1000 from my account to deposit in FD and DK, and has slowly paid some of it back! (See my confusion?) But he’s also borrowed from his friends. He lost some of that money and one dude has even written him off because of it. Is this an addiction or not?

    I can’t tell because W works really hard grinding every day and often wins. He’s a self-proclaimed genius, with a lot of talent to back it up. The problem is, W rarely takes winnings out of DK or FD, he kiiiinda bets it again till he loses, then needs more. Is it normal to make deposits every day? He’s ranked in the top 1,500-2,000 players, and tells me this means he’s good enough to make this work. I can’t tell if he has a real shot, since W downplays losses and exaggerates achievements. Far as I can tell, he’s barely breaking even and still hasn’t hit a big win. He has skill, and I understand DFS isn’t all luck, but can it be relied on?

    What’s the chance he can do this professionally? Should I do more to help him succeed? What am I doing wrong? Or should I try asking him to self-exclude? Am I really being too controlling/nagging? Has anyone gone through this as a player or s/o? How did you fix it?

    Sorry if this is misplaced, I’m new here! Thanks for reading and advice would be appreciated. Trolls, plz stay under the bridge. ;)

    -LSP

  • thedude404

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    @draftcheat said...

    I think you have a bigger problem than W

    Now you’re coming after me? Hahahahaha. Whatever man I spent a lot of time constructing my original email, trying to help the person. What did you contribute besides making fun of multiple people? And this coming from someone that WORKS for this website.

    Ok I’ll let you get back to your sarcastic comments since you seem to be getting enjoyment out of it at someone else’s expense. I“m done commenting in this thread so save your breath talking about me because I wont see it.

  • madmanjayWV

    In order to figure this out correctly……

    #1 how long has this “W” been your boyfriend?
    #2 how many consecutive years has he been getting 1099s for INCOME and from what DFS sites…..?

    P.S. — I hope your name is not on the rental agreement and he’s not on your bank/credit union accounts

  • KindGuy

    @thedude404 said...

    Now you’re coming after me? Hahahahaha. Whatever man I spent a lot of time constructing my original email, trying to help the person. What did you contribute besides making fun of multiple people? And this coming from someone that WORKS for this website.

    Ok I’ll let you get back to your sarcastic comments since you seem to be getting enjoyment out of it at someone else’s expense. I“m done commenting in this thread so save your breath talking about me because I wont see it.

    Does Pete even work for RG anymore? Lol, hadn’t posted since last year April.

  • billholler

    @thedude404 said...

    Then you go off talking about your wife and evidently because YOUR wife is like that, EVERYONES wife/girlfriend is like that.

    My wife is hot, amazing and a gift from whatever deity you believe in. She knows when I lose but still loves me for some reason.

    BTW, I actually got a PM asking if my real name was “W“illiam. HA!!! You guys are a hoot…..and Holler.

  • billholler

    @jimmyrad said...

    I guess in the DFS game of life chicks really are the rake.

    Seriously though, ditch the 1500th ranked zero and get with a middling 200’s ranked hero. We’ll thrive as DFS catfish. I get a piece of every scrap that hits the bottom.

    OMG how did I miss this? The profile pic fits this response too!!

  • mtschmidt84

    @thedude404 said...

    Now you’re coming after me? Hahahahaha. Whatever man I spent a lot of time constructing my original email, trying to help the person. What did you contribute besides making fun of multiple people? And this coming from someone that WORKS for this website.

    Ok I’ll let you get back to your sarcastic comments since you seem to be getting enjoyment out of it at someone else’s expense. I“m done commenting in this thread so save your breath talking about me because I wont see it.

  • EadesScience

    Dear OP,

    I appreciate your questions, as well as, your willingness to not give up on a relationship. I have no way of knowing if this is real, fake, hypothetical, or just attention motivated but I am going to try my best to give you the same advice that I would any of my grown daughters with a potential problem like you describe.

    First of all, whether W has a real problem or not is not even the issue. The issue is that his behavior and lack of financial responsibility is obviously troubling you. So I guess the 1st question to ask yourself is whether you care enough about the relationship to even try and are you willing to take these issues that you describe to a higher level than you currently are.

    If you answered Yes to these questions then be prepared in what may be a difficult, but attainable journey. Nothing in your situation is going to change unless the both of you openly communicate your feelings. And, this conversation has to be calm and without anger. So, it is sometimes best that you both agree to go to some type of counseling together. This type of environment helps keep emotions in check and also shows your partner that you are in this with him and want for the relationship to succeed. Be honest and open with W about how you feel and try and show empathy for W as hopefully he opens up to you. For a problem to even exist on the part of W there has to be the admittance that their is a problem to begin with. Without this confession, what you are going through will only continue to get worse and no progress will be made.

    With all this said, even with counseling there is no guarantee that your relationship will ever be perfect. As a matter of fact, it probably will not be. No relationship is. There has to be concessions made on both sides. W has to see for himself that he is financially ruining a life with someone that he cares about or hopefully this is the outcome.

    Keep us posted on how everything turns out for you. This is a good place to belong.

    Ricky

  • idontluvdemhos

    @kellykip said...

    There is not a single person in existence that can make a living at this who doesn’t keep extremely detailed records of his investments, with notes and some form of analysis of his plays after the fact. Not one.

    i disagree!

  • LuckySpacePrincess

    Thank you for all the support and advice. You guys have really been helpful and surprisingly understanding (even sweet). I reached out to this community bc almost everything I know about DFS, W taught me so obviously I don’t know how much of it is biased. We’ve had many discussions about how to make this work. He’s promised to deposit half his winnings everyday, but doesn’t. He promised to only do cash games, but keeps doing tournaments. He promised to stop if he couldn’t prove DFS was actually profitable in 2 weeks, then argued that we had different definitions of “profit.” W really is smart and talented in many fields. He could do most things full time and do them well, just by working hard. But DFS, as you guys confirmed for me, is a different animal. To the commenters that are skeptical about my existence, welcome to the internet, where you’ll never know who anyone is. I’d prefer to keep anonymity rn, but I can assure you I’m real and female. I’ve heard hours worth of podcasts every night for months now, which is why I’m familiar with some terminology. W started by playing NFL casually, then discovered NBA was a “sure thing” and later dipped into all sports betting, though he mostly does basketball. I’ve been listening to him plan and justify his bets for months. I’m sorry I’m not like your wives, but when your s/o is spending so much time and money on something, you learn about it. I did that at first, to support him. And then in an effort to understand why he’s taking these risks. Sorry to interrupt your fun. I hope this helps someone else. I googled these questions so many times but there weren’t any answers. Thank you.💋

  • anilprao88

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    @idontluvdemhos said...

    i disagree!

    Me too. Being profitable at DFS is still way easier than people make it out to be.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

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    @zoltar912 said...

    Are these things occurring?
    1. Does he constantly refresh his phone?
    2. What kind of behavior does he exhibit before lineup lock? Does he tell you “13 more minutes, and we can talk about your day”, then resort to what’s listed in item 1 above, ignoring you until approximately 9PM (when his teams are dead), then gives you half assed answers to all of your questions, and he’s miserable.
    3. Is he miserable all the time?
    4. Is he happy one out of ten days?
    5. Does he tell you about his losses every day, or only the wins?
    6. On nights where he’s in a good mood, does he buy everyone drinks at the bar (he’s winning that night)?
    7. Has your sex life decreased?
    8. Does he hate everyone on DFS twitter most days?
    9. Did he say the same thing about being a poker player?
    10. Last year, did he buy NBA league pass, but this year, he’s using the Kodi App on the firestick to stream all sports game?

    wait, all these apply to me and I live in a DFS banned state… what am I doing wrong?

  • billholler

    And that response did nothing but further my opinion that “she” is a “he” looking for a shoulder to cry on.

  • KindGuy

    @billholler said...

    And that response did nothing but further my opinion that “she” is a “he” looking for a shoulder to cry on.

    I don’t understand what the issue is. Clearly someone needs help.

  • shamrock77s

    @jimmyrad said...

    I guess in the DFS game of life chicks really are the rake.

    Seriously though, ditch the 1500th ranked zero and get with a middling 200’s ranked hero. We’ll thrive as DFS catfish. I get a piece of every scrap that hits the bottom.

    Jesus dude…

  • MikeMineo

    @anilprao88 said...

    Me too. Being profitable at DFS is still way easier than people make it out to be.

    #humblebrag? statistically, approximately only 14% of players are even profitable according to DK, so not sure who you’re referring to when stating it’s “easier than people make it out to be.” who is making it out to be more difficult than that, specifically?

    being profitable is certainly possible, though it’s not exactly easy, and if someone is ruining their lives to be in that 14% it’s not worth it.

    and in terms of people who SUBSTANTIALLY profit, man — that’s less than 5%, I’d reckon, with a lot of that depending on a handful of big GPP days throughout years of playing and considerable investments.

  • Messiah717

    The original story is complete nonsense. Can it help others to not fall into a situation like that? I guess it can perhaps but it’s hard to get beyond something that you know is completely made up. Whether it’s a troll, somebody looking for approval, somebody thinking the scenario is helpful or whatever you want to call it. It’s disingenuous and is just going to be hard for a lot of folks to get beyond. As Bill mentioned. Knowing all the terms and in and outs of something they at the start claimed they knew little or nothing about. Most importantly if this was a real situation my advice would be very simple. Tell him he needs help and leave. Honestly, who in their right mind would be reduced to skipping meals and possibly being thrown out on the street? All the while this happens your boyfriend is just telling you don’t worry we’re going to be fine as soon as my gambling starts working out.

  • MikeMineo

    wait, you guys actually don’t think it’s realistic that someone has a gambling problem that impacts their loved ones? I fail to see what’s incredibly unrealistic here.

    you don’t have much perspective if you think someone skipping meals to gamble has never happened before. or is discussion of gambling addiction taboo here because some see themselves in the definition?

    could(*n’t) care less if OP is being genuine. if they aren’t, then someone else in a similar situation is going to read this thread and maybe make some better life choices as a result. if not, oh well. no sweat on my brow.

  • 1greatbuyz

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    Whatever gets accomplished here, this thread has brought out that there are 4 different personalities in DFS.

    1) the ones that take things seriously and want to help.
    2) the ones that don’t take things seriously and look for the humor in all situations.
    3) the ones that wonder if something shady might be going on up in here.
    4)and then these guys…

  • mtschmidt84

    @MikeMineo said...

    wait, you guys actually don’t think it’s realistic that someone has a gambling problem that impacts their loved ones? I fail to see what’s incredibly unrealistic here.

    you don’t have much perspective if you think someone skipping meals to gamble has never happened before. or is discussion of gambling addiction taboo here because some see themselves in the definition?

    could care less if OP is being genuine. if they aren’t, then someone else in a similar situation is going to read this thread and maybe make some better life choices as a result. if not, oh well. no sweat on my brow.

    You mean you couldn’t care less, right? Or could you care less? If so, how much less could you care on a scale of 1-10?

  • MikeMineo

    I couldn’t care less, as is apparent in the content of the post. Forgot the “n’t”. Making some lineups as I wrote it.

    Again: is your perspective so limited that the notion of someone opting to gamble over spending money on food incredibly unrealistic? You should get out more if so, or maybe have try to gain some semblance of basic psychology and the symptoms of an addictive personality. I assumed that some people behaving like this was common knowledge.

  • billholler

    @MikeMineo said...

    is your perspective so limited that the notion of someone opting to gamble over spending money on food incredibly unrealistic?

    Like I said earlier, I have gone bust multiple times over the years but didn’t go on the hook for more. I didn’t need stones. I owe rent, alimony, child support, I play for money, my kids eat, I got stones enough not to chase card actions of pipe dreams…..wait…..going off in the wrong direction again.

  • IronMonkey415

    Drop that zero and get with this hero

  • Messiah717

    1-800-Gambler

  • iron_tactics

    If you’re not covering basic needs first, there is a problem. DFS should really just be disposable income and used for entertainment reasons, makes the games a little more interesting to watch.

  • psualum

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    This story feels like a troll imo

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