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  • gosixersgo76

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    I think it would be a good idea if Draft Kings rewarded solid consistent play by making a “Front 9 All Par Or Better” and “Back 9 All Par Or Better”. Maybe 1.5 points for each one that occurs. And also make bogies worth -0.5 per stroke lost, so a double would be -1, a triple would be -1.5, a quad -2, etc. Also think it’s silly that 11-15th all get the same finishing bonus. I mean after say 20th they can be bracketed but 11th should get a higher finishing bonus than 12th, 12th should get more than 13th, etc.
    1st: 40 PTs
    2nd: 30 PTs
    3rd: 25 PTs
    4th: 20 PTs
    5th: 18 PTs
    6th: 16 PTs
    7th: 15 PTs
    8th: 14 PTs
    9th: 13 PTs
    10th: 12 PTs
    11th: 11 PTs
    12th: 10 PTs
    13th: 9.5 PTs
    14th: 9 PTs
    15th: 8.5 PTs
    16th: 8 PTs
    17th: 7.5 PTs
    18th: 7 PTs
    19th: 6.5 PTs
    20th: 6 PTs
    21st–25th: 5 PTs
    26th–30th: 4 PTs
    31st–40th: 3 PTs
    41st-50th: 2 PTs

  • gosixersgo76

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    Also think it would be cool to give tiny rewards to things like fairways hit and greens in regulation. 0.25 for each. Not sure if this is doable though.

  • walkoff9

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    Agree 100% on the bogey thing, I think Steven Bowdtich influenced the dk scoring decision.

    Has nothing to do with the actual scoring, but i would like them to give you the option to exclude the finishing position points from the standings so you can get a better feel for where your team stands early on in a tournament.

  • gosixersgo76

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    @walkoff9 said...

    Agree 100% on the bogey thing, I think Steven Bowdtich influenced the dk scoring decision.

    Has nothing to do with the actual scoring, but i would like them to give you the option to exclude the finishing position points from the standings so you can get a better feel for where your team stands early on in a tournament.

    Good idea I would like that option.

  • qatman

    I would prefer if they just used finishing position like FF does. But I’m a grumpy old man.

  • mccoolio

    I agree with most of this. Also an option I threw out a couple weeks ago I’d like to see is points deducted or added for total score….(+.5 for each stroke under par and -.5 for each stroke over or for the tourney).

  • BIF

    sixers, while I’m ok with the additional point losses for triples or worse (the Bowditch rule I’ll call it), I’m not sure I like the 9 hole par or better thing (I’ll call that one the Will Wilcox rule). Why should making 9 pars on the front and then making 3 pars/birds/bogies on the back be rewarded more than a guy who bogies #1, birdies #2 then makes 14 straight par and birdies #17 and bogies #18 ? Both shoot same score and player 2 was more consistent (if that is what you want to truly reward?) yet player 1 gets a 1.5pt bonus.

    My two cents…

    Overall your scoring suggestions will end up making the final results look more Fantasy Feud and I’m not sure I want that. I do think some tweaks could be made for sure.

    1. Lower the hole in one bonus to 5 pts; you already get the 8 pts for the eagle – no need to excessively reward something that is so random. Hole in one gets 18 points, double eagle (rarest of the rare) gets 20 ? This is why the hole in one should be 5+8=13

    2. Lower the 4 rounds under 70 bonus to 2 or 3 pts – (personally I’d like to see it gone but a down weighting would please me to start); why does this even exist? And why under 70? Courses are par 70/71/72 and some are way harder than others – make it 4 rounds under par if you are going to do it. I just think these points are unnecessary and rewarded enough already throughout the 4 days with birdie/eagle points and an arbitrary “under70” 5 point bonus is crazy. It would be like giving a QB in NFL an extra bonus 10 pts if he throws 5 TD’s as if the TD Pass weren’t enough already. Also this bonus is only available to guys at or near the top of the leaderboard already – at least a hole-in-one, bogey-free round or birdie streak are available each round to all players. If a guy shoots 70 in round 1, that bonus is gone….I just don’t like it !!!

    3. If you really want to give a bonus for something, how about “low round of the day” ? Anybody who shoots/ties-for lowest round of the day gets 2 point bonus. From a skill-based analysis perspective, us DFS’ers can at least factor in things like tee-times/weather and a player’s propensity to take it low – some real fantasy style analysis instead of crap bonuses that are way to excessive and arbitrary/random like hole in one and 4U70. This would end up getting scored at the end of the day when all play is completed – I know this is probably more difficult to score/program for DK and could be an issue when weather delays drag play over to the next day but IMO would be a much better bonus reward.

    4. I agree that the scoring for finish position points should change – I think the current 10 points drop from 1st to 2nd is too big when only 30 get rewarded for 1st. I think you are close on your point suggestion except I’d suggest 40, 30, 27.5, 25, 22.5, 20,18, 16, 14, 12 to round out the Top 10 and use your point suggestions from there. Finishing in the top 10 should be rewarded and each position in there should be a bit of a point drop off between positions – outside the top 10 but still in Top 20 should be small point differences – outside Top 20 groupings are best way and outside Top 50 zero.

  • gibbathy

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    I think Draftstreet had the best scoring of any PGA product ever.

    Dbl Eagle 4.5
    Eagle 2
    Birdie 1
    Par .2
    Bogey -0.6
    Double -1.6

    1st – 8
    2nd – 5
    3rd – 4 (I think)
    then after that points decreased per range of finishing places to 50th place.

    A birdie and a bogey SHOULD equal two pars. Just like a double and an Eagle should equal two pars.

    Towards the end they had lowest round of the day bonus and bogey free bonus.

  • gibbathy

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    Simplicity is such an underrated concept sometimes.

  • BIF

    @gibbathy said...

    I think Draftstreet had the best scoring of any PGA product ever.

    Dbl Eagle 4.5
    Eagle 2
    Birdie 1
    Par .2
    Bogey -0.6
    Double -1.6

    1st – 8
    2nd – 5
    3rd – 4 (I think)
    then after that points decreased per range of finishing places to 50th place.

    A birdie and a bogey SHOULD equal two pars. Just like a double and an Eagle should equal two pars.

    Towards the end they had lowest round of the day bonus and bogey free bonus.

    Agree – I remember that but the trend seems to be “make it higher scoring” for fantasy and that kept things lower scoring.

  • JeffElJefe

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    @gibbathy said...

    Simplicity is such an underrated concept sometimes.

    I agree with this. The fewer bonuses the better. If you build a PGA product around performance (birdies, bogeys, etc.) instead of bonuses and finishing position, it’s much easier to track and far more enjoyable.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @JeffElJefe said...

    much easier to track and far more enjoyable.

    I mentioned in another thread that I spoke to someone at DK in person at an event and mentioned this (I was more focused on being anti-hole-in-one points, or rather the amount they currently are), and they said that they build the points setups to be more fun/entertaining. They didn’t go into it more than that. It did seem that if too random, then they may not pass scrutiny of what the legal stuff is these days, but too strictly driven by stats and it is “less enjoyable” to their fans (in the eyes of DK staff, and presumably they measure this or survey their target markets).

  • BIF

    @JeffElJefe said...

    I agree with this. The fewer bonuses the better. If you build a PGA product around performance (birdies, bogeys, etc.) instead of bonuses and finishing position, it’s much easier to track and far more enjoyable.

    Most PGA Tour players would say “performance” is finishing position….LOL

  • JeffElJefe

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    @BIF said...

    Most PGA Tour players would say “performance” is finishing position….LOL

    Thought the parentheses would avoid the confusion around what to call birdies and bogeys. Apparently needed a diagram too!

  • dncolonna

    My issue with PGA scoring has always been the same, no team with 5/6 should beat a team with 6/6. There should be a bigger penalty for an MC,

    DS did have the best scoring, it was non nonsense and straightforward. At the end of the tournament if golfer A finishes higher than golfer B he should have more points.

    Tony Finau was a good example this week, he finished T43, but scored 82 points, only 2 less then the 84 Paul Casey put up for a T9 and 4.5 less then the 86.5 Jamie Lovemark scored for his T6.

  • BIF

    @JeffElJefe said...

    Thought the parentheses would avoid the confusion around what to call birdies and bogeys. Apparently needed a diagram too!

    I know – I was joking – everyone is in it for something different. Some love the points and bonuses while others just want the FF approach of finishing position only.

    I’m somewhere in between with a product that rewards both finishing position and hole-by-hole performance; some bonuses are ok if they don’t take away from the other scoring aspects.

  • JeffElJefe

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    @dncolonna said...

    Tony Finau was a good example this week, he finished T43, but scored 82 points, only 2 less then the 84 Paul Casey put up for a T9 and 4.5 less then the 86.5 Jamie Lovemark scored for his T6.

    Yeah I agree, this is due to the bonuses. No need for them. It doesn’t add to the skill aspect of the game.

  • LotteryTicket

    @dncolonna said...

    My issue with PGA scoring has always been the same, no team with 5/6 should beat a team with 6/6. There should be a bigger penalty for an MC,

    DS did have the best scoring, it was non nonsense and straightforward. At the end of the tournament if golfer A finishes higher than golfer B he should have more points.

    Tony Finau was a good example this week, he finished T43, but scored 82 points, only 2 less then the 84 Paul Casey put up for a T9 and 4.5 less then the 86.5 Jamie Lovemark scored for his T6.

    2 weeks ago I believe Will Wilcox was the 8 highest golfer in Dk points but fininished around 43th place due to the number of eagles he had.

  • BIF

    @dncolonna said...

    My issue with PGA scoring has always been the same, no team with 5/6 should beat a team with 6/6. There should be a bigger penalty for an MC,

    I don’t agree with that in every case. If I had The top 5 finishers this week plus Wilcox MC this week and you had Pieters, Moore, Huh, Love, Goosen and Finau…….should you beat me with ZERO guys in Top 40 ??

    Is DFS golf about getting 6 guys to make the cut or about getting high finishes and fantasy points ? Your chances to beat me with 6 vs 5 are much better but whether someone shoots 79 in Rd 2 and MC’s or shoots 81-77 on the weekend to finish last – neither should be rewarded.

  • LotteryTicket

    My biggest issue with the scoring has always been with the hole in one scoring, getting 18 pts. for 1 stroke or hole is way to much. The is almost as much as someone who shoots a 3 under bogey free round. I do agree Draftstreet scoring was much better. To bad DK did not adopt this when they bought them out. Also I really liked the pick em contests at draftstreets.

  • gibbathy

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    @BIF said...

    I don’t agree with that in every case. If I had The top 5 finishers this week plus Wilcox MC this week and you had Pieters, Moore, Huh, Love, Goosen and Finau…….should you beat me with ZERO guys in Top 40 ??

    Is DFS golf about getting 6 guys to make the cut or about getting high finishes and fantasy points ? Your chances to beat me with 6 vs 5 are much better but whether someone shoots 79 in Rd 2 and MC’s or shoots 81-77 on the weekend to finish last – neither should be rewarded.

    I tweeted this out after the tourney, but at the Honda I had four top 10 players and was beaten by another person who had two top players and a missed cut. I had 2nd, 6th and two 10th’s. He had 1st and 6th (or 8th). My 5th player was 26th place.

    His 43rd place player beat my 26th place player and both of his 26th placed players beat one of of my top 10 players.

    ———End of your quote now on a rant——————

    Making birdies so much higher than bogeys does not make it more exciting. It makes it more complex and frustrating.

    Since this is an Olympic year I’ll use this analogy. One of the most exciting events in the Olympics is the 100m dash. It is so simplistic by nature yet it is so exciting. To score this event DK would probably give bonus points to the runner who got out of the blocks quicker, use lane differential to even things out and end it with optimal angle bonus a runner bends over to cross the line.

    /rant

  • BIF

    Ha ha Gibb – your 100m dash scoring sounds like Nascar scoring

    That sucks when the birdie-bogey differential 3 to -0.5 points beats you (but you’ve probably won that way too before) and I’d be ok with it being something like a 2 to -1 ratio but in reality, whatever it is will have anomalies that will piss people off (unless we do FF finish position only).

  • tooleman56

    @dncolonna said...

    My issue with PGA scoring has always been the same, no team with 5/6 should beat a team with 6/6. There should be a bigger penalty for an MC,

    DS did have the best scoring, it was non nonsense and straightforward. At the end of the tournament if golfer A finishes higher than golfer B he should have more points.

    Tony Finau was a good example this week, he finished T43, but scored 82 points, only 2 less then the 84 Paul Casey put up for a T9 and 4.5 less then the 86.5 Jamie Lovemark scored for his T6.

    The most extreme example of the tournament was Ben Martin, who I happened to have in a Thunderdome satellite lineup. Scored 32 bonus points for four eagles, most of the tournament, and 100 points overall for a T12 finisher.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @BIF said...

    but you’ve probably won that way too before

    This is why I don’t really care about anything except the hole in one thing – that one is so rare that you are far more likely to get beaten by it more often than you win by it (and yet unlikely the amount won will counter the amount lost since the “Win” isn’t necessarily enough to guarantee a high payout, vs just a higher score).

    All of the others sort of even out and you can adjust for them easily enough and as long as everyone else gets scored the same, doesn’t much matter to me.

  • hokie2009

    the hole in one is absolutely abysmal and ridiculous. Just make it closer to the eagle. It shouldn’t replace an entire round and then some of scoring.

  • dakimbell

    Has there ever been a case where the winner of the tournament hasn’t been the highest fantasy scorer of the week? just looking at this week, Chappell was only 11 points behind Day, which makes me think it is possible, albeit extremely unlikely that this could happen. It seems to me more points should be awarded to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. This way you are awarded for picking guys that finish high, not guys who randomly make a lot of birdies and bogies. Picking the high scoring guy who puts up a ton of birdies and bogies but finishes T30th seems like no skill at all, whereas picking guys that will finish high on the leaderboard and are steady takes skill.

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