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  • MHDU2424

    The early MLB slate today is a great example….you have a $2 GPP with 2k to first and then a $10 GPP with 25k to first

    Where is the 3-5 dollar large field GPP with a chance at a big prize? I feel like this is a preferred option and we only see them maybe half the slates

    I’m not interested in playing for 2k to first and I’m not crazy about $10 lineups in MLB…I personallly play more volume with lower fees on the big GPPs and I can’t be the only one

  • Njsum1

    @MHDU2424 said...

    The early MLB slate today is a great example….you have a $2 GPP with 2k to first and then a $10 GPP with 25k to first

    Where is the 3-5 dollar large field GPP with a chance at a big prize? I feel like this is a preferred option and we only see them maybe half the slates

    I’m not interested in playing for 2k to first and I’m not crazy about $10 lineups in MLB…I personallly play more volume with lower fees on the big GPPs and I can’t be the only one

    I think you overestimate the amount of people who play mlb DFS on the weekend. They can’t have large GPPs at every price point on the weekend, especially on split slates. I think the $2 2k to first, min cash 2x GPP is exactly what people were asking for. I can see your point about the $3 to $5 GPP with a chance at a bigger prize, yet I think they might have to sacrifice the $10 to make that happen. I’m guessing their data suggests that if they want to offer a GPP with a 150k guarantee they’ll be more likely to fill it on a split weekend slate with a 150 max entry and $10 price point, then they would with a $4 price point and a 20 max entry.

  • kwdamp

    @Njsum1 said...

    I think you overestimate the amount of people who play mlb DFS on the weekend. They can’t have large GPPs at every price point on the weekend, especially on split slates.

    I tend to agree. I know we all want a large tournament at our price point every day; but I actually think DK does a pretty good job of rotating the large field GPP’s between $4, $5, $6, $8 and $10.

  • MHDU2424

    The $2 Tablesetter is at 2k to first and if I want a shot at 5 figures or even close I have to jump all the way up to 10 bucks a pop?

    I mean yeah I’ll throw a few in but there really should be a main GPP every slate around 5 bucks…even the $8 one is pushing it

    A year or two ago there was a main GPP at $3 a pop that would be a massive prize pool

  • bigez952

    @MHDU2424 said...

    The $2 Tablesetter is at 2k to first and if I want a shot at 5 figures or even close I have to jump all the way up to 10 bucks a pop?

    I mean yeah I’ll throw a few in but there really should be a main GPP every slate around 5 bucks…even the $8 one is pushing it

    A year or two ago there was a main GPP at $3 a pop that would be a massive prize pool

    The problem is most of this thread was complaining about the lottery style pay structures that pay a ton to first but is horrible for everyone else. Now that they actually listened and started to flatten some pay scales the complaints are coming that first doesn’t get paid enough.

    IMO I like the changes they made and hope they limit the amount of lotteries they run but also understand some users want that so I can see 1 contest a day that offers that just as long as it isn’t everything again.

  • MHDU2424

    @bigez952 said...

    The problem is most of this thread was complaining about the lottery style pay structures that pay a ton to first but is horrible for everyone else. Now that they actually listened and started to flatten some pay scales the complaints are coming that first doesn’t get paid enough.

    IMO I like the changes they made and hope they limit the amount of lotteries they run but also understand some users want that so I can see 1 contest a day that offers that just as long as it isn’t everything again.

    I’m against the huge payout to first but I just wanna play in a large field GPP for 3-6 bucks a pop each slate…..I don’t care if it’s 20k to first or 50k to first but I prefer a poker like payout

    My main issue is 2k to first today is just too low to be attractive and if I want anything in the middle I have to jump all the way up to a $10 contest

  • bigez952

    @MHDU2424 said...

    I’m against the huge payout to first but I just wanna play in a large field GPP for 3-6 bucks a pop each slate…..I don’t care if it’s 20k to first or 50k to first but I prefer a poker like payout

    My main issue is 2k to first today is just too low to be attractive and if I want anything in the middle I have to jump all the way up to a $10 contest

    Yeah Saturday split slates have been pretty weak in terms of them being sized down to barely nothing. I think there is significantly less players on the weekends so they fear overlay but the contests I entered did fill 2 hours early so they are being overly causious and I agree they probably could size things a little bigger so they don’t fill 2-3 hours early.

  • Njsum1

    @MHDU2424 said...

    A year or two ago there was a main GPP at $3 a pop that would be a massive prize pool

    Was this still when $3 Buy in’s were 150 max entry? You obviously need a lot more participants to fill that at 20 max. Which goes to my point, that less people play mlb DFS on the weekends, especially split slates like this one.

  • MHDU2424

    @Njsum1 said...

    Was this still when $3 Buy in’s were 150 max entry? You obviously need a lot more participants to fill that at 20 max. Which goes to my point, that less people play mlb DFS on the weekends, especially split slates like this one.

    Yeah it was but fine make it $5 instead of $3

    As I said before 2k to first is not attractive and if you want anything more GPP wise it’s all the way up to $10 an entry?

    Just seems like there could be a happy medium somewhere in there but whatever

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    You are taking the the flatter payouts too far now

    https://imgur.com/a/1hdQtsP

    $4 20 max $40k GPP

    Only 3k to first, 25% of field payed out which is 3-5% too many, and no double min cash

    Shorten up the payouts to 20%, put that money back up near the top and double min cash

    I can’t find a single GPP that interests me this evening.

    With the rake so high now paying out 25% of the field really kills the payout structures

  • Yahchanan

    You need to incorporate the two games slate in the NBA finals. FanDuel has already made the adjustment and their contest are filling up.

  • sutogame

    @britdevine said...

    You are taking the the flatter payouts too far now

    https://imgur.com/a/1hdQtsP

    $4 20 max $40k GPP

    Only 3k to first, 25% of field payed out which is 3-5% too many, and no double min cash

    Shorten up the payouts to 20%, put that money back up near the top and double min cash…this isn;t hard.

    I can’t find a single GPP that interests me this evening.

    With the rake so high now paying out 25% of the field really kills the payout structures

    In all GPPS the min cash should be double the entry.

    How do we accomplish this?

    By increasing GPP size.

    THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

    The reason for min cash not being double the entry fee is simple. Players will lose money faster in the long run and will have to deposit AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.

    TRUTH

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @britdevine said...

    What is going on with our $20 3 max today?

    No NBA today + a larger than normal Thursday night slate and it’s a tiny GPP that you run two of instead of one at least 25k… I wanted to play this today but how it was run makes it an easy no go for me

    https://imgur.com/a/PlCzkNQ

    Was just looking at what contests to enter today and had the same reaction. We finally don’t have a split Thursday and a lot of the contests are smaller than normal. $20 3 max, $75 3 max…both small compared to normal slates. I get it if it was a 4 game slate.

    To be frank, I don’t understand why the contests aren’t larger across the board for MLB this time of the year. I can’t even remember the last time I saw a GPP for less than $20 that didn’t fill.

    We admit that we shouldn’t have had a 12k in the mix on Thursday, that was a manual contest population mistake that has been corrected. Our team strives to avoid errors but human beings are not perfect. We are honest enough to admit this one was on us – and for that we are sorry for letting you down.

    One thing in their defense for today though, there technically could have been NBA tonight had a series been extended. So, they may have been planning for that when the contests were scheduled for today.

    This. Sorry :-(

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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @kwdamp said...

    Though that tournament is so top heavy, that I don’t play it much anyways. $20,000 for first, $350 for 9-10. That’s ridiculous. LOL

    We offer multiple payout structure options within our contests to appeal to the needs of both player types. Believe it or not, most recreational players and a tremendous amount of active players are aiming for life changing money, they want a top heavy payout. In this case it was a 2500x ROI on an $8 investment, if you asked the winner of the $8 rally cap if they were happy with the payout structure, we bet they would say YES!

    Here’s a suggestion I’d love to see them implement. Come up for a name for the style of tournaments that are top heavy like this, and a name for the more balanced tournaments that you’ve started to implement (which is much appreciated by the way!).
    It’d be nice to see what you’re buying into from the lobby instead of having to open every single tournament each day to determine if the payout schedule is something I want to invest multiple entries into.

    Great suggestion – we will share with our operations team. DraftKings has limited space in the lobby, but we will look into your suggestion to improve our nomenclature.

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • KindGuy

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    We offer multiple payout structure options within our contests to appeal to the needs of both player types. Believe it or not, most recreational players and a tremendous amount of active players are aiming for life changing money, they want a top heavy payout. In this case it was a 2500x ROI on an $8 investment, if you asked the winner of the $8 rally cap if they were happy with the payout structure, we bet they would say YES!

    Here’s a suggestion I’d love to see them implement. Come up for a name for the style of tournaments that are top heavy like this, and a name for the more balanced tournaments that you’ve started to implement (which is much appreciated by the way!).
    It’d be nice to see what you’re buying into from the lobby instead of having to open every single tournament each day to determine if the payout schedule is something I want to invest multiple entries into.

    Great suggestion – we will share with our operations team. DraftKings has limited space in the lobby, but we will look into your suggestion to improve our nomenclature.

    - DraftKings Community Team

    Why has your contest sizing been really poor this season for MLB? It seems like you guys are being overly cautious in regards to trying to avoid overlay. I’m seeing the big GPPS fill hours in advance. Then you guys make a smaller version of that same GPP which obviously isn’t as appealing because, like you said, people are going for the life changing money.

    I know it doesn’t make a difference for you since rake is rake and the contests fill regardless but how about taking some risks (very small one at that) and making your $8 rally cap (or $5 knuckleball) bigger!

  • KindGuy

    You guys should really be taking bad advantage of this window in which there are no NBA games and make the GPPS bigger.

  • Zieg30

    • 787

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    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    We offer multiple payout structure options within our contests to appeal to the needs of both player types. Believe it or not, most recreational players and a tremendous amount of active players are aiming for life changing money, they want a top heavy payout. In this case it was a 2500x ROI on an $8 investment, if you asked the winner of the $8 rally cap if they were happy with the payout structure, we bet they would say YES!

    I don’t doubt that many DFS’ers do prefer top-heavy payouts, but do they also prefer the sharp drop off from first place to tenth? Do they prefer the crushing disappointment when their team has a fantastic night, but because one of their players didn’t get another hit in MLB, or didn’t get a couple blocks in NHL, or didn’t make that single three pointer in NBA, their pay out is a fraction of what the entrant a mere 9 places above them made?

    If you’re going to insist on top-heavy payouts, at least pay out a lower percentage of the field and distribute those savings amongst the top 10-20.

    It is frequently almost entirely random who gets 1st and who gets 10th. Both entries are fantastic entries. 10th being 10% of 1st is a fine standard that DK regularly ignores.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    In this case it was a 2500x ROI on an $8 investment, if you asked the winner of the $8 rally cap if they were happy with the payout structure, we bet they would say YES!

    … while 5th thru 30th jumped off a bridge

  • kantiger77

    @kantiger77 said...

    A two game slate was just added for Sat-Sun. Good! Hopefully they’ll do it for the NBA as well.

    A two game slate was added and then taken away – the contest I had entered is gone, too. Reason for this, DK?

  • kantiger77

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    We offer multiple payout structure options within our contests to appeal to the needs of both player types. Believe it or not, most recreational players and a tremendous amount of active players are aiming for life changing money, they want a top heavy payout. In this case it was a 2500x ROI on an $8 investment, if you asked the winner of the $8 rally cap if they were happy with the payout structure, we bet they would say YES!

    Here’s a suggestion I’d love to see them implement. Come up for a name for the style of tournaments that are top heavy like this, and a name for the more balanced tournaments that you’ve started to implement (which is much appreciated by the way!).
    It’d be nice to see what you’re buying into from the lobby instead of having to open every single tournament each day to determine if the payout schedule is something I want to invest multiple entries into.

    Great suggestion – we will share with our operations team. DraftKings has limited space in the lobby, but we will look into your suggestion to improve our nomenclature.

    - DraftKings Community Team

    With all due respect, this is kind of an arrogant reply and not particularly helpful.

  • lloydjv1

    @anilprao88 said...

    Top Heavy Payouts. Can we please curtail these? I understand if every now and then you want to put a huge figure up top, but regularly having contests with several thousand or more entries that payout 20% or more to first creates a lot of unnecessary risk. Either players will not adjust accordingly and you will cause lots of very good players to lose a lot of money and force them to move down, or players will realize that when payouts are top-heavy their risk of ruin is higher for every dollar they bet and players will have to bet a smaller % of their bankroll in these contests. It seems like either is suboptimal longterm.

    Yeah it’s a bummer to have a great score only to miss the cash line by mere tenths of points. Also disappointing is being in a smaller contest like a QA, seeing first place win 30 dollars or more and you come in 10th and end up with a dollar. That is infuriating.

  • lloydjv1

    @Zieg30 said...

    I don’t doubt that many DFS’ers do prefer top-heavy payouts, but do they also prefer the sharp drop off from first place to tenth? Do they prefer the crushing disappointment when their team has a fantastic night, but because one of their players didn’t get another hit in MLB, or didn’t get a couple blocks in NHL, or didn’t make that single three pointer in NBA, their pay out is a fraction of what the entrant a mere 9 places above them made?

    If you’re going to insist on top-heavy payouts, at least pay out a lower percentage of the field and distribute those savings amongst the top 10-20.

    It is frequently almost entirely random who gets 1st and who gets 10th. Both entries are fantastic entries. 10th being 10% of 1st is a fine standard that DK regularly ignores.

    On pointe there for sure. I have learned my lesson and will only play QA’s or $1 tournaments too due to the number of sharks in there who can afford to max lineups. A single bullet in those high paying tourneys has a snowball’s chance in hell of doing well enough to win.

  • kantiger77

    Another day without an NHL slate. #lazy

  • Yahchanan

    Please do the NBA two-day slate the same as last year. Sunday’s game played into Monday and Monday’s game should play into Tuesday.

  • Dunzor

    I think the biggest issue that is causing a lot of the payout structure problems is paying too many places. when you got 25% winners you can’t put enough on the min cash / up top to make it good.

    GPPs should go back to paying out the top 15-20% of entrants with a 2x min cash, 10% to first and probably a tenth of the top prize to 10th place.

    So a $10 entry – 50,000 entry tourney should pay out around $50K to first….$5K to 10th and have payouts go down to the top 8,000-10,000 players winning at least $20.

    You can tweak the numbers a bit to make sure it scales down appropriately but I think the biggest key is stop paying out that extra 5-7% at teh bottom

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