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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

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  • 13nutz

    I having been trying to find out definition of a knockdown in mma contest. Here is the reply I received

    A knockdown occurs when a fighter touches the floor of the ring with any part of the body other than the feet following a hit, but is able to rise back up and continue fighting. This the definition of a knockdown, however, it is up to the discretion of our stat provider, FightMetric, to award a knockdown to a fighter. We will always match the stats that they provide to us.

    What the hell kinda of explanation is this? So the stat provider can do what ever they choose when scoring knockdown.

    If your definition is right than Fightmetric needs to be replaced ASAP.

  • unageo09

    Would it be possible for us to get a .50 mini max for a NASCAR race? Indy is coming up and would be a good track to run that promotion given the history associated with the track itself. DK Kiss the Bricks .50 mini max. You can even use the name ;)

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Will continue to disagree with DraftKings strategy on “trying” to grow or even sustain the non-big 3 or 4 sports (which goes back to college basketball and college football, then soccer, seen it with Nascar, and obviously CFL). When focusing only on maximizing rake percentage, you are doing a disservice to your players and also your own company long-term.

    You guys continue to prove my point. After bringing in A LOT of new players to DFS soccer during the World Cup and having DAILY contests with guarantees of $75-100k even on 2-3 game slates (with an even bigger promo or two), I expected at least a similar guarantee to start the EPL season. The idea should be that we got all these new players that seemed to really like DFS soccer during the World Cup, let’s convert them to play EPL and UCL.

    So why is the opening Saturday EPL guarantee only $50k, which is the same guarantee as it was to start last season??? It makes no sense and continues to show that your contest sizing team (and analytics team) do not get it, or just do not give a damn. Now all those people that gave World Cup a shot are going to look at this like a step backwards. Frustrating but I guess business as usual at DraftKings.

  • eperson911

    Will there be a PGA $3 Birdie for the British Open?

    Update: I was just told by DraftKings support that they will not be running a $3 Birdie for this event. This is pretty frustrating after building up tickets specifically for it. So I have 20 tickets I need to use on the Showdown contests !?!? I very much dislike the showdown contests. I was annoyed that DK dropped weekend golf, now this. I really might have to give a longer look to FanDuel!

  • eperson911

    I got this update from support. Maybe it’s just me, but this doesn’t make much sense. If not for the tickets I have saved, I would just play the $4, I really don’t want to be forced to used these tickets on single round golf!

    “We have the $3 birdie contests by round for the Open Championship because the field is so large. It gives an opportunity for more users to select their golfers by the round as opposed to the entire tournament. As an avid golf fan, I understand your frustration, but I do recommend playing in the birdie contests for each round of the Open.”

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @eperson911 said...

    I got this update from support. Maybe it’s just me, but this doesn’t make much sense. If not for the tickets I have saved, I would just play the $4, I really don’t want to be forced to used these tickets on single round golf!

    “We have the $3 birdie contests by round for the Open Championship because the field is so large. It gives an opportunity for more users to select their golfers by the round as opposed to the entire tournament. As an avid golf fan, I understand your frustration, but I do recommend playing in the birdie contests for each round of the Open.”

    there is a $3 Hybrid (3 entry Max)

  • eperson911

    @TnRiddles said...

    there is a $3 Hybrid (3 entry Max)

    The problem I have is that the tickets I won are specifically for the 20 max Birdie. They don’t work on the single entry or 3 entry max. Oddly, they are not even showing as eligible for the showdown birdie contests (I don’t like showdown, anyway). I normally play the $3 or $5 3 entry max each week and play satellite contests for Birdie tickets then max out the 20 entry Birdie for majors.

    I understand phasing out a particular price point, but maybe stop running satellites leading up to it!

    Maybe the can convert my Birdie tickets to an equal value of $4 Fore tickets…

  • eperson911

    OK, DK Support offered to convert my Birdie tickets into DK Dollars. That’s fair enough. I can use that on the $4 20-Max.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @eperson911 said...

    The problem I have is that the tickets I won are specifically for the 20 max Birdie. They don’t work on the single entry or 3 entry max. Oddly, they are not even showing as eligible for the showdown birdie contests (I don’t like showdown, anyway). I normally play the $3 or $5 3 entry max each week and play satellite contests for Birdie tickets then max out the 20 entry Birdie for majors.

    I understand phasing out a particular price point, but maybe stop running satellites leading up to it!

    Maybe the can convert my Birdie tickets to an equal value of $4 Fore tickets…

    Just save them for another week. Also , I love the round by round gold. I hated weekend golf

  • eperson911

    @TnRiddles said...

    Just save them for another week. Also , I love the round by round gold. I hated weekend golf

    I don’t like the single round golf so much. I feel like there is more luck involved. I also liked that weekend golf was more than one day and didn’t have finishing points. I am not a big fan of finishing points only on Sunday single round contests.

  • enderasin

    Came here to echo stewburt on the soccer comment. Would really have loved to see a bigger sized contest for week 1. If it fills early, maybe we could see a bigger one for week 2. Would love any comment from the DK community manager on the subject!

  • biffrenylds

    Just wanted to say thanks for the DK Home Run Challenge. It was fun to play.

  • Gathman78

    I was a big fan of the $2 tablesetter when it was 5K to first, but now it’s down to what? 1200? If it wasn’t filling, maybe that is because it was usually buried on the site and the app. It’s like DK wanted it to fail. Go figure.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @thegeneral391 said...

    Did they ever run .50 MiniMax’s for MLB?

    Most Thursdays over the past few months we usually feature a bigger than normal $.50 mini-MAX. Like everything we this is subject to change at any time, but the current trend for $.50 mini-MAX on Thursdays has been firmly established.

    DK CM – again thanks for listening to all the feedback. Regarding MMA, loved that you had a TUF contest last week. Any thoughts on adding Bellator slates to your MMA offerings in the future?

    We do not offer Bellator at this current time, but it is on our radar. Glad you enjoyed the TUF contest!

    Would it be possible for us to get a .50 mini max for a NASCAR race? Indy is coming up and would be a good track to run that promotion given the history associated with the track itself. DK Kiss the Bricks .50 mini max. You can even use the name ;)

    Good timing for your request, we intend to offer a $.50 entry fee mini-MAX this week. Our NASCAR managers will keep a close eye to see how it works, if it performs well then they might consider using a $.50 mini-MAX more frequently in conjunction with our standard $.25 mini-MAX. Lets see how this turns out, and then adjust accordingly for the future.

    We agree the Indy race is a big deal, but it won’t be in late July like in previous years. Instead will be directly competing with NFL Week 1 on Sunday afternoon. Although we would love to see a massive contest for Indy, we may need to have more modest expectations for this race in 2018 due to the NFL timeline overlap. NFL is a 300 lb gorilla that is hard to compete against for player attention.

    On the bright side, you won’t have to wait till the Brickyard because the mini_MAX this week is just what the doctor mortared!

    Just wanted to say thanks for the DK Home Run Challenge. It was fun to play.

    Awwww thanx! ❤️

    Came here to echo stewburt on the soccer comment. Would really have loved to see a bigger sized contest for week 1. If it fills early, maybe we could see a bigger one for week 2. Would love any comment from the DK community manager on the subject!

    Unfortunately to date we have never filled a contest larger than $30K for any entry fee under $100 – but we hope that this week’s launch will break that trend. Last year at the start of the season we offered a $33/$50K which did not fill. This year we decided to lower the entry fee to $20 to help appeal to World Cup fans crossover, but keep the same guarantee. If this week’s EPL $50K SEASON KICKOFF [$10K TO 1ST] is a smashing success that fills without any problems, then we will be empowered to consider adjusting in the future.

    I was a big fan of the $2 tablesetter when it was 5K to first, but now it’s down to what? 1200? If it wasn’t filling, maybe that is because it was usually buried on the site and the app. It’s like DK wanted it to fail. Go figure.

    The Tablesetter is our name for $2 entry fee contests. The entry fee is a constant for Tablesetters, it is always $2, and we offer may have a different prize pool guarantee or payout curve.

    Generally speaking you will only find a 1st place prize of $5k in a Tablesetter if the guarantee is $40K or higher. Due to the Tablesetter’s $2 price point, it shares player liquidity with all adjacent contests. This means if we have a big $4 or a large $.50 contest at the same time, then we are less likely to commit to a big guarantee for the Tablesetter on that day. On the bright side, the Tablesetter has filled every time this month with the exception of 7/12 when we offered a prize pool ($30k with 2.5K to first), and you can rest assured that the Tablesetter is included as a Featured Contest to keep it from being buried. We certainly don’t want the Tablesetter to fail, in fact we are very happy with how well this contest has performed this season.

    Good news: Coincidentally on Friday this week, we are offering a TableSetter with $5K up top to first!

    OK, DK Support offered to convert my Birdie tickets into DK Dollars. That’s fair enough. I can use that on the $4 20-Max.

    Anytime you have an issue like this, just contact our support team. We are always happy to help. Glad it worked out quickly with positive solution for you!

    - DraftKings Community Team

    PS: DK Weekend Golf is BACK for the Open Championship!!!!!!!!!!

  • enderasin

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    Unfortunately to date we have never filled a contest larger than $30K for any entry fee under $100 – but we hope that this week’s launch will break that trend. Last year at the start of the season we offered a $33/$50K which did not fill. This year we decided to lower the entry fee to $20 to help appeal to World Cup fans crossover, but keep the same guarantee. If this week’s EPL $50K SEASON KICKOFF [$10K TO 1ST] is a smashing success that fills without any problems, then we will be empowered to consider adjusting in the future.

    Thanks for getting in touch, I really appreciate the response, it makes me feel worlds better about this that you took the time!

    I have three main thoughts on this, if you’ll humor me, point 1 is most salient.

    1.) Fair point on not having filled something bigger than that in the past in the EPL, but given how big the world cup prize pools were just months ago in the same sport, I guess we were just excited to see some ambition here (we even had a few slates for the world cup where it looked like you may have dramatically underestimated the amount of entries there would be, and rolled out additional contests that were just as big as the main ones.).

    Generally speaking, I think your point neglects that there surely is some sort of relationship between the world cup contests and the EPL contests, right? Or am I wrong about that (feel free to push back on this, I won’t be offended)! I know you guys have access to data and all that that I am not privy to.

    2.) This is something that you guys must have analyzed way more than I can, but is there sort of a “if you build it, they will come” situation? Like, by making the world cup slate so big, you may have convinced people who otherwise wouldn’t have played it if it were this small to give it a try. By the same logic, with this slate so small, those same people won’t give EPL a try who otherwise might have. This is my argument where I feel like I am stepping on your toes the most and surely you all are analyzing it, but I would still love a comment on it if you don’t mind!

    3.) Obviously, you guys are analyzing these things all the time and I am not, but I guess I am more focused on the number of entries than the size of the prize pool. There were many contests in the EPL that had well over 2900 people. Looking through my match history, I see several that were over 5000, particularly at the beginning of last season. Number of entries is most relevant to me because I want to know how many lineups I’m against that aren’t redcoates or saramek :). The more the better! I avoided the $33 because I thought I was against them too much and not enough regular people.

    It seemed last year there was usually a cheap slate that was $.25, a mid-priced (main?) slate that was $5-10, and an expensive slate that was ~$33. There was some variation to that pattern obviously, but it seemed to be the main idea. If you are switching the “expensive” slate to be this $20 slate with way more entries, I love that! In that case, though, it’d be cool to see the “main” slate be more ambitious.

    It seems, though, given the $3 slate is even fewer entries and the $20 has the highest multi-entry limit, that the $20 is sort of taking the role of the main slate. That’s why I was very sad to see how few entries it had.

    If you took the time to read and respond to this, I really, really, really appreciate it. I know I wrote a lot, but it’s from a place of passion and excitement for the daily fantasy soccer product and wanting to see it grow! Hopefully, a ton of people sign up for this and it’s moot!

  • mambaland

    for the year 2018 what was the avg amount of money won or lost per player and what percent showed a profit over $600

  • Cobra_Kai

    @mambaland said...

    for the year 2018 what was the avg amount of money won or lost per player and what percent showed a profit over $600

    I dont think average would be of much value – perhaps the median.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    The upcoming week of featured MLB main sets are scheduled as follows:

    Please Note: DraftKings reserves the right to revise, change, alter, or cancel the schedule described above at any time – but we do intend to follow these plans.

    Notable plans:

    • Most days this week we are offering a featured contest mix of $8/$4/$2 with the exception of Friday and Monday where the highest priced featured contest will be $5 and $6 respectively.
    • Advance notice – we will include a $.10 featured contest in the mix next Thursday. This very affordable entry fee contest should be very interesting!

    Lets us know your thoughts RotoGrinders – does this advance notice of our lower-stakes headliner gpp schedule help you to better plan your week?

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @enderasin said...

    Thanks for getting in touch, I really appreciate the response, it makes me feel worlds better about this that you took the time!

    I have three main thoughts on this, if you’ll humor me, point 1 is most salient.

    1.) Fair point on not having filled something bigger than that in the past in the EPL, but given how big the world cup prize pools were just months ago in the same sport, I guess we were just excited to see some ambition here (we even had a few slates for the world cup where it looked like you may have dramatically underestimated the amount of entries there would be, and rolled out additional contests that were just as big as the main ones.).

    Generally speaking, I think your point neglects that there surely is some sort of relationship between the world cup contests and the EPL contests, right? Or am I wrong about that (feel free to push back on this, I won’t be offended)! I know you guys have access to data and all that that I am not privy to.

    Great question enderasin. We have past experience with major soccer (football for those of you on the other side of the pond) events as they crossover to ELP season. For example, the 2016 UEFA European Championship was a huge success. Unfortunately only a portion of that excitement from the players carried over to the EPL season. We used information gathered from our prior experience, and correlate to trends we see across all sports in similar situations. We also use data acquired via third party sources to perform our projections.

    In 2018 we expect better results than we saw in 2016, that is why we offered a $20 entry fee contest with a $50K guarantee instead of the $33/$50K we offered at the start of the 2017 ELP season. This means we expect significantly more entries than we saw in 2017 for the same ELP season start contest, if we are right then this could be a positive indicator that the 2018 season will meet or exceed our expectations (lets all root for exceed!)

    2.) This is something that you guys must have analyzed way more than I can, but is there sort of a “if you build it, they will come” situation? Like, by making the world cup slate so big, you may have convinced people who otherwise wouldn’t have played it if it were this small to give it a try. By the same logic, with this slate so small, those same people won’t give EPL a try who otherwise might have. This is my argument where I feel like I am stepping on your toes the most and surely you all are analyzing it, but I would still love a comment on it if you don’t mind!

    No toes stepped on at all, in fact we welcome this kind of question. It’s great when our customers are genuinely curious about our contest management process, we are honored to share this insight with you.

    Over time we have determined the elements of contest creation that drive more demand, but there is a limit to how effective these elements are. So it is quite a bit more complex than a “Build it and they will come” philosophy, if that were true then all of our biggest contests would always fill (we wish they did, lol!). Knowledge of the elements that drive contest entry demand and the limits of these elements are a critical part of the “secret sauce” that makes DraftKings so unique, and our contest managers so valuable to our company.

    We know this to be true due to data points acquired by testing the “BIATWC” theory over the years. We think we found the right middle ground over time, that allows us to be ambitious without going too far.

    3.) Obviously, you guys are analyzing these things all the time and I am not, but I guess I am more focused on the number of entries than the size of the prize pool. There were many contests in the EPL that had well over 2900 people. Looking through my match history, I see several that were over 5000, particularly at the beginning of last season. Number of entries is most relevant to me because I want to know how many lineups I’m against that aren’t redcoates or saramek :). The more the better! I avoided the $33 because I thought I was against them too much and not enough regular people.

    Based on your feedback, we think you will prefer the $20/$50K we are offering this year to start the season due to the increased number of entries in the field, with the same guarantee as 2017. Hope we are right!
    (see above)

    It seemed last year there was usually a cheap slate that was $.25, a mid-priced (main?) slate that was $5-10, and an expensive slate that was ~$33. There was some variation to that pattern obviously, but it seemed to be the main idea. If you are switching the “expensive” slate to be this $20 slate with way more entries, I love that! In that case, though, it’d be cool to see the “main” slate be more ambitious.
    It seems, though, given the $3 slate is even fewer entries and the $20 has the highest multi-entry limit, that the $20 is sort of taking the role of the main slate. That’s why I was very sad to see how few entries it had.

    What you see today with the $20/$50K and other contests we posted prior to the EPL season launch is just a preview of what we have in store for week one. Additional contests will be revealed over the next 3 weeks. We are comfortable sharing that our EPL contest managers plan to offer $180, $20 and a bigger $3 featured GPP, subject to change. In addition we will probably have a featured low stakes contest (perhaps a $0.25) and most of the other side games that we offered last year. We are also considering mini-MAX contest possibilities during the season as well; perhaps not in week one, but over time it is likely.

    If you took the time to read and respond to this, I really, really, really appreciate it. I know I wrote a lot, but it’s from a place of passion and excitement for the daily fantasy soccer product and wanting to see it grow! Hopefully, a ton of people sign up for this and it’s moot!

    from a place of passion and excitement for the daily fantasy soccer product and wanting to see it grow! “ ← Feedback like this makes us all proud to go to work each day. It drives everyone at DraftKings to deliver the best possible experience for all players. Thank you so much!

    for the year 2018 what was the avg amount of money won or lost per player and what percent showed a profit over $600

    We provide a web page that is frequently updated which contains Average Results aggregated across all users at https://www.draftkings.com/average-results

    We do not provide the granular level of data you requested, but we do think you will find the Average Results page very helpful.

    - DraftKings Community Team

    PS: We have renamed Pick’em contests. The game format remains the same, the only change is the name from “Pick’em” to “Tiers” as shown in the image below.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    I having been trying to find out definition of a knockdown in mma contest. Here is the reply I received

    A knockdown occurs when a fighter touches the floor of the ring with any part of the body other than the feet following a hit, but is able to rise back up and continue fighting. This the definition of a knockdown, however, it is up to the discretion of our stat provider, FightMetric, to award a knockdown to a fighter. We will always match the stats that they provide to us.

    What the hell kinda of explanation is this? So the stat provider can do what ever they choose when scoring knockdown.

    If your definition is right than Fightmetric needs to be replaced ASAP.

    We understand how this can be frustrating from your viewpoint. DraftKings receives all MMA stats from FightMetric, the UFC’s official stat provider for MMA.

    FightMetric is responsible for determining the criteria for a knockdown and also for reporting the stat. We are working with our teammates on MMA game ops to determine if FightMetric can provide additional criteria for how they score a knockdown, if we hear back from them we will share any insights with you here.

    PS: If there are specific events/bouts you want to list, we will make sure they get into the right hands for review.

    - Christie, DraftKings Community Team

  • mambaland

    @Cobra_Kai said...

    I dont think average would be of much value – perhaps the median.

    valid point

  • Dunzor

    I’m not sure if you ever addressed this on the ASG thread, but many of us were rightfully annoyed when pitchers did not receive Holds in the ASG despite most major stat providers crediting them and DK having a banner specifically announcing that ALL SP WILL BE TREATED AS RP for the ASG which means they should’ve been eligible and received the holds. Even further regardless of who actually ended up receiving them, many of us constructed our rosters going heavy on pitchers because of the ability to achieve those points and so the entire roster construction is compromised without them being credited properly. I get that similar to the MMA point brought up above you are leaning on your stats provider who deemed them not to be Hold situations, but the key is that you should not be running a banner over the lineup page indicating everyone will be treated as a relief pitcher if they aren’t going to be scored properly like an RP

  • mambaland

    that is a far cry from knowing what percent of people earn a 1099 and what the avg player wins or loses…a random guess would be an avg player would lose about $1200 per year…some have lost 6 figure and some 6 bucks so just a guess

  • bigez952

    @Dunzor said...

    I’m not sure if you ever addressed this on the ASG thread, but many of us were rightfully annoyed when pitchers did not receive Holds in the ASG despite most major stat providers crediting them and DK having a banner specifically announcing that ALL SP WILL BE TREATED AS RP for the ASG which means they should’ve been eligible and received the holds. Even further regardless of who actually ended up receiving them, many of us constructed our rosters going heavy on pitchers because of the ability to achieve those points and so the entire roster construction is compromised without them being credited properly. I get that similar to the MMA point brought up above you are leaning on your stats provider who deemed them not to be Hold situations, but the key is that you should not be running a banner over the lineup page indicating everyone will be treated as a relief pitcher if they aren’t going to be scored properly like an RP

    That is a pretty easy one to address in that Draftkings has nothing to do with stats and never should be control of stats and run the games. All stats for every party are provided by a third party STATS LLC and all scoring is based on those official box scores. So this issue is the difference in sites like ESPN giving holds to everyone when STAT LLC didn’t and really is out of the control of Draftkings. I think it would be pretty shady if DK started getting themselves into crediting their own stats and deviating from their third party stat provider.

    The banner was also correct in that every pitcher did get treated as an RP and received the higher rate for innings pitched and strikeouts. They all would have got the points for holds as well had they been credited that way in the official stats provider box score. I guess the issue should be taken up with Stats LLC why they didn’t credit holds when other sites did but good for DK not deviating from their procedures to credit their own stats or just chose which boxscore they liked the best. Can you imagine in a sport like the NBA where stats like blocks can vary based on opinion between people if DK had the right to make the call themselves or pick which sites boxscore they wanted to use on a given night after all the games have played. There would be weekly conspiracy thread in how DK only selects the box scores that best suit the pros I would imagine so their hands have to be tied to only 1 third party source for every sport.

  • lpdev

    Why is PickEm now called MLB Tiers Mode? Seems way less inviting.

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