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  • DraftKings_CM

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  • zombiekopitar

    @tamparoor said...

    Make all mma contest single entry Ridiculous that a user can make 150 lineups with the fighter pool selection so small especially with all the recent cancelled fights.

    That would never work if you want an enticing cash pool. They could lower max entries but duplicate lineups are inevitable.
    What I think would be ridiculously fun is if they incorporated some sort of second sport pickem. For example something like a 6 fighter salary cap lineup, plus a 4 batter pickem. Maybe it’s crazy but it would help create unique lineups and draw some new players into MMA, which is probably my favorite sport in DFS just as far as the thrill of watching it.

    And the last thing I want to say is DK could do a way better job with their NHL contest choices. I’m sure I’m not the only one that really only focuses on NHL if it’s an underwhelming NBA slate…..often times contests fill 5 hours in advance because it’s the most exciting slate in DFS for the day. There could just be better awareness of when to make larger contests because I feel it’s fairly obvious.

  • kantiger77

    1. Bring back dime contests .They are GREAT for low stakes players to learn the game while not just playing for free. Particularly effective in baseball and NBA.

    2. Advertise the steps tournaments. They are a great way for low stakes people to eventually win $200 but they never fill – I’ve been stuck at the $7 level and entered 5 contests in 5 days, they never filled.

    3. Do bracketed tournaments for low stakes people. For instance, set up a 128 team bracket with a $1 entry, and then have them placed randomly in a bracket where they advance everyday through. Have the first place person get $50. Second place $40. Third place $20. Fourth place $5. Something like that. Prizes would go up for higher entry fees.

    4. Enhance the leagues feature by allowing people to do season long DFS in a sport. So, for instance, do a 30-team league and each night, there are 15 game whenever there is a live contest. Wouldn’t even have to be season long. You could have a “November league”.

    5. When a player is “out” of a game, which happens alot in the NBA, and someone has that player in a contest, do an auto swap out for the next closest salary at that position who is playing, but not going higher. So, for instance, if Sam Smith at $5K at the Center position gets the “O”, that player would be replaced automatically by another C with $5000 in salary or lower.

    6. Flatten out payouts.

    7. Work to bring back college sports once gaming laws loosen around the country.

  • KindGuy

    @kantiger77 said...

    1. Bring back dime contests .They are GREAT for low stakes players to learn the game while not just playing for free. Particularly effective in baseball and NBA.

    2. Advertise the steps tournaments. They are a great way for low stakes people to eventually win $200 but they never fill – I’ve been stuck at the $7 level and entered 5 contests in 5 days, they never filled.

    3. Do bracketed tournaments for low stakes people. For instance, set up a 128 team bracket with a $1 entry, and then have them placed randomly in a bracket where they advance everyday through. Have the first place person get $50. Second place $40. Third place $20. Fourth place $5. Something like that. Prizes would go up for higher entry fees.

    4. Enhance the leagues feature by allowing people to do season long DFS in a sport. So, for instance, do a 30-team league and each night, there are 15 game whenever there is a live contest. Wouldn’t even have to be season long. You could have a “November league”.

    5. When a player is “out” of a game, which happens alot in the NBA, and someone has that player in a contest, do an auto swap out for the next closest salary at that position who is playing, but not going higher. So, for instance, if Sam Smith at $5K at the Center position gets the “O”, that player would be replaced automatically by another C with $5000 in salary or lower.

    6. Flatten out payouts.

    7. Work to bring back college sports once gaming laws loosen around the country.

    8. Lower rake????

  • DSofM

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    @kantiger77 said...

    1. Bring back dime contests .They are GREAT for low stakes players to learn the game while not just playing for free. Particularly effective in baseball and NBA.

    2. Advertise the steps tournaments. They are a great way for low stakes people to eventually win $200 but they never fill – I’ve been stuck at the $7 level and entered 5 contests in 5 days, they never filled.

    3. Do bracketed tournaments for low stakes people. For instance, set up a 128 team bracket with a $1 entry, and then have them placed randomly in a bracket where they advance everyday through. Have the first place person get $50. Second place $40. Third place $20. Fourth place $5. Something like that. Prizes would go up for higher entry fees.

    4. Enhance the leagues feature by allowing people to do season long DFS in a sport. So, for instance, do a 30-team league and each night, there are 15 game whenever there is a live contest. Wouldn’t even have to be season long. You could have a “November league”.

    5. When a player is “out” of a game, which happens alot in the NBA, and someone has that player in a contest, do an auto swap out for the next closest salary at that position who is playing, but not going higher. So, for instance, if Sam Smith at $5K at the Center position gets the “O”, that player would be replaced automatically by another C with $5000 in salary or lower.

    6. Flatten out payouts.

    7. Work to bring back college sports once gaming laws loosen around the country.

    Option 5 is bad because it unfairly penalizes the players who don’t get to swap to another option.

  • kantiger77

    @DSofM said...

    Option 5 is bad because it unfairly penalizes the players who don’t get to swap to another option.

    I would bring back late swap too, of course, I should have said that. I just think casual players don’t have the time to gaze at their lineups just before lock and if a player that wasn’t out at 5 pm is out at 6:59 p.m. I’d like to see that autoflipped so they don’t get a “0” in their lineup. The player who is playing attention has an advantage as they can have a choice of who to flip for, but this way at least someone playing is in the lineup.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    >>_ I appreciate your attempt to respond to feedback on this forum, but this is not a viable experiment that will actually determine the vitality of a 2x min cash + flatter payout structure.

    >> _ I generally prefer lower payouts to first in order to raise the min cash and/or number of players who cash. These considerations are far more important to me in big contests._

    >> This is the problem with what DraftKings does a lot of times to try to “prove” a point. They put out experimental GPP’s based on user feedback that just do not have a great chance from the beginning. Now the $20- 3 max GPP yesterday did fill early which is encouraging.

    >> Yeah it would be nice if the people at DK would actually take this “experiment” more seriously. The people at DK cant really think this $20 3 max entry is really a test to its vitality? Really? This payout structure needs to be tried out on the main $3 or $4 gpp for this “experiment” to have any credibility.

    The DraftKings Community Team are your player advocates within our company, that is why we lobbied our co-workers to introduce a 2x min cash payout on your behalf. We want this to succeed as much as you do.

    But first we need to crawl before we walk, walk before we run. Let’s make sure our team gets this right before we consider rolling out a 2x min-cash payout structure to any low stakes contests, we hope everyone can agree that it’s better to take our time to make sure we get this right on your behalf!

  • bric75

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    Add something like this please. Yahoo has started down this path already.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/industry-format-change-suggestion-zoom-poker-model-1766556

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    >>_ I appreciate your attempt to respond to feedback on this forum, but this is not a viable experiment that will actually determine the vitality of a 2x min cash + flatter payout structure.

    >> _ I generally prefer lower payouts to first in order to raise the min cash and/or number of players who cash. These considerations are far more important to me in big contests._

    >> This is the problem with what DraftKings does a lot of times to try to “prove” a point. They put out experimental GPP’s based on user feedback that just do not have a great chance from the beginning. Now the $20- 3 max GPP yesterday did fill early which is encouraging.

    >> Yeah it would be nice if the people at DK would actually take this “experiment” more seriously. The people at DK cant really think this $20 3 max entry is really a test to its vitality? Really? This payout structure needs to be tried out on the main $3 or $4 gpp for this “experiment” to have any credibility.

    The DraftKings Community Team are your player advocates within our company, that is why we lobbied our co-workers to introduce a 2x min cash payout on your behalf. We want this to succeed as much as you do.

    But first we need to crawl before we walk, walk before we run. Let’s make sure our team gets this right before we consider rolling out a 2x min-cash payout structure to any low stakes contests, we hope everyone can agree that it’s better to take our time to make sure we get this right on your behalf!

    Sure, it’s OK to take your time and try to get things right and it’s great to see you guys back on these forums. But from a players/customer perspective, DraftKings has had 6 years to get the payout structures right and they have only got progressively worse. This is not a change that needs to occur with 1-2 contests per day. This should really be a complete overhaul of the current setup/model on GPP payout structures. The extreme top heavy structure for huge field contests is just not feasible for the long term sustainability of your user base and product.

  • btwice80

    @kantiger77 said...

    Advertise the steps tournaments. They are a great way for low stakes people to eventually win $200 but they never fill – I’ve been stuck at the $7 level and entered 5 contests in 5 days, they never filled.

    Which sport? I play them for MLB and 2-3 of the $7 level fill every day on the main slate.

  • bigez952

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    >>_ I appreciate your attempt to respond to feedback on this forum, but this is not a viable experiment that will actually determine the vitality of a 2x min cash + flatter payout structure.

    >> _ I generally prefer lower payouts to first in order to raise the min cash and/or number of players who cash. These considerations are far more important to me in big contests._

    >> This is the problem with what DraftKings does a lot of times to try to “prove” a point. They put out experimental GPP’s based on user feedback that just do not have a great chance from the beginning. Now the $20- 3 max GPP yesterday did fill early which is encouraging.

    >> Yeah it would be nice if the people at DK would actually take this “experiment” more seriously. The people at DK cant really think this $20 3 max entry is really a test to its vitality? Really? This payout structure needs to be tried out on the main $3 or $4 gpp for this “experiment” to have any credibility.

    The DraftKings Community Team are your player advocates within our company, that is why we lobbied our co-workers to introduce a 2x min cash payout on your behalf. We want this to succeed as much as you do.

    But first we need to crawl before we walk, walk before we run. Let’s make sure our team gets this right before we consider rolling out a 2x min-cash payout structure to any low stakes contests, we hope everyone can agree that it’s better to take our time to make sure we get this right on your behalf!

    I will agree with this and it is nice to get this rolled out in some form right away with the hopes it gets larger. I always see many people complain about issues like late swap not being offered but when small games were offered to start this season they overlayed every day. To me the #1 most important issue to most users seems to be just the size of the prize pool and no matter what the format or the structure the biggest dollar one will always fill the fastest. And if that is truly the most important thing DK probably would be better off with the terrible top heavy structures since the huge first place prize does draw in a small amount of casual players who only want to play the lottery.

    To me the payout structure is an important issue that needs to addressed so I am going to make it a point to only play the new 2X min cash GPP for the next few weeks. If everyone on here who really wants to see this grow did the same in this initial period it would stand a lot better chance to succeed and expand. It is totally understanding why DK would be hesitant to change the super top heavy structures when they are filling 100% of contests right now without issue.

    To me if this is really an important issue I think for at least the next 7-10 days it would be important to show the demand is there so it doesn’t go the way of the late swap games which started out decent and overlayed everyday until they shrunk to something that no one wanted to play.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Very disappointing to see the 30k $20 3 max with the flat payout that has filled easily 2 days in a row be cut to a 12k tonight

  • bigez952

    @britdevine said...

    Very disappointing to see the 30k $20 3 max with the flat payout that has filled easily 2 days in a row be cut to a 12k tonight

    I saw that too and am just hoping it is because today is a split slate so a lot of the contests are smaller today and I hope it is back to 30K plus on Friday which should be a good slate. I hope we can continue to get this thing to fill early to justify getting it expanded to increase in size or be offered at other prize points over the next couple of weeks.

  • zombiekopitar

    I would also like to see more satellites for the $100-$200 contests across all sports.
    There’s been the $8 satellites for the $150 MMA Triangle which I’ve liked playing, and I’d love to consistently see something similar for contests like the Windmill and Warning Track.

  • 2Slik

    @kantiger77 said...

    I would bring back late swap too, of course, I should have said that. I just think casual players don’t have the time to gaze at their lineups just before lock and if a player that wasn’t out at 5 pm is out at 6:59 p.m. I’d like to see that autoflipped so they don’t get a “0” in their lineup. The player who is playing attention has an advantage as they can have a choice of who to flip for, but this way at least someone playing is in the lineup.

    I think the intent of the DSofM was that if your player is the last game of the night there is no one to swap to. Ala the Max Scherzer dilemma last year when they were getting heavy usage on Pickem and there was no pivot. Now of course the chances in basketball of not having a swappable player are far less given the position flexibility.

    I am not a fan of late swap but if it is to be instituted I’ve said that same thing before. The site should automatically make a substitution. Of course there were people on this forum that didn’t like that idea because they lose the edge they desperately want…

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @2Slik said...

    I am not a fan of late swap but if it is to be instituted I’ve said that same thing before. The site should automatically make a substitution.

    The site should NEVER automatically make a substitution. That would be a huge problem. To me the only viable solution would be the ability to ONLY swap out the player that is scratched to someone whose game has not started yet and obviously is the same or lower price (no other changes allowed to your lineup(s)). But again, any changes have to be done by the user/customer. The sites can never be involved in any automatic or manual lineup change.

    But I am actually fine with no late swap for NBA. There is such a huge edge with late swap that is heavily weighted to high volume players re-optimizing their lineups with each additional piece of news that comes out.

  • kantiger77

    @btwice80 said...

    Which sport? I play them for MLB and 2-3 of the $7 level fill every day on the main slate.

    NHL mainly but also NBA. Consistently they don’t fill, it’s only one tournament and only one fills. I enter the one with anyone in it and it hardly ever fills.

  • KindGuy

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    But I am actually fine with no late swap for NBA. There is such a huge edge with late swap that is heavily weighted to high volume players re-optimizing their lineups with each additional piece of news that comes out.

    Bingo

  • 2Slik

    I can elaborate where need be but for a post I’ll try to stay concise.

    Sports Event Ticket Giveaways (Consider Daily): Engagement of Fans and Sports. Some MLB teams are literally giving away tickets. Why not pounce on this opportunity to co-promote DK & the NBA/MLB/NHL/NFL while giving away something for nothing which btw would run great on a tv promo ad.

    Free Gear Giveways: Free gear specifically T-Shirts. Free rolls, tv ads, etc. Why not just fire up the marketing machine and give apparel to people who effectively do more for promoting the site than any other measure.

    Friends List: Maybe this is taboo, but I’d love to see how my friends are doing in tournaments through the app. I rarely use the webpage. Back when the rake was more palatable seeing a friend atop the leaderboard even if short-lived was almost was exciting as it happening to myself.

    Pick’em: I still think Pick’em Games are the best alternative gameplay DK has. I’d advise to keep promoting it now and then. One thing that would be cool is an icon for who is atop each tier. You have fire/ice icons for value – appropriate for Classic. Throw your King logo for each tier’s top player in Pick’em so the user knows they have the highest outcome at that spot instead of having to go search through other lineups.

    And of course Rake. As rake edges closer to 20% this will no longer be a game a skill. Once percieved as such I won’t be interested. Not to be a RG homer and I like DK Live as a score checking app, but cut the side analysis projects and whatever else it takes to keep the game purer.

  • TnRiddles

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    The site should NEVER automatically make a substitution. That would be a huge problem. To me the only viable solution would be the ability to ONLY swap out the player that is scratched to someone whose game has not started yet and obviously is the same or lower price (no other changes allowed to your lineup(s)). But again, any changes have to be done by the user/customer. The sites can never be involved in any automatic or manual lineup change.

    But I am actually fine with no late swap for NBA. There is such a huge edge with late swap that is heavily weighted to high volume players re-optimizing their lineups with each additional piece of news that comes out.

    this is the exact answer that should be used every time for a late swap argument

  • kantiger77

    More suggestions:

    I would like to see LPGA and Tennis, I know there was a survey about the latter recently that also asked about Rugby. I’d love to see more sports.

  • bigez952

    Another suggestion I would like to see now that I see Draftkings has listed the freeroll dates for the April Player Rewards program. I will be qualified for the Platinum level this month which gets me into the Gold and Platinum free-rolls. These are both listed for MLB on 5/2. It would if the Gold and Diamond free rolls were both on 5/2 and the Platinum and Black freerolls were on 5/4 (I see only the Black is currently 5/4). This way everyone who qualifies for 2 free rolls would get them on different days. For me I am a 1 lineup per slate guy so when I get to play 2 free rolls that are the same slate I either win both or none. It is great when you do well but it still would be nice to have two separate shots in case 5/2 isn’t a good one for me.

  • wolfjb1

    @TnRiddles said...

    this is the exact answer that should be used every time for a late swap argument

    ^This.

    It always amazes me that so many people need this concept explained.

    Yes, it’s easy to swap Player A for Player B.

    Anyone who has alerts pushed to their phone can do this during the course of an evening.

    But that is not the optimal way to use late swap. The optimal way is to decide on creating an entirely new lineup, taking into account all the moving pieces within Player A’s game and all other games slate-wide, now that Player A is on the bench. It could mean a whole new lineup. Very few casual players can reconfigure the whole thing in just a couple of moments.

  • YoungFischer

    I can’t believe no one has suggested this.

    Please make it easier to cancel unfilled H2H contests. A single click + confirmation from the my contest page would suffice.

    Or alternatively give players the option for all unfilled H2H to auto-cancel.

  • Njsum1

    @wolfjb1 said...

    ^This.

    It always amazes me that so many people need this concept explained.

    Yes, it’s easy to swap Player A for Player B.

    Anyone who has alerts pushed to their phone can do this during the course of an evening.

    But that is not the optimal way to use late swap. The optimal way is to decide on creating an entirely new lineup, taking into account all the moving pieces within Player A’s game and all other games slate-wide, now that Player A is on the bench. It could mean a whole new lineup. Very few casual players can reconfigure the whole thing in just a couple of moments.

    People argue against their best interests all the time when it comes to this topic. And of course I agree with @stewburtx8 as I’ve argued this point over and over again.

  • geardaddy

    Is there anyway we could get more guaranteed 100 man 50/50’s?

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