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  • KushBush

    Darren RovellVerified account
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    BREAKING: NY Attorney General says daily fantasy is gambling & illegal, says DraftKings & FanDuel must cease operating & taking action in NY

    :( i wanted to play skinny lowry

  • gencoimports

    @torchia39 said...

    how do regular DFS players join the fight against the laws?… besides sign petitions what else can be done?

    I think all 500k DFS players in New York should all turn themselves in at once to be arrested, to make a mockery of this ruling. That would send a message. Either that or march on the capitol.

  • Drayzen

    I posted this in another thread but figured Id post it here.

    DFS has breathed a new life into sports. Ever since I’ve gotten into DFS I’ve started watching NFLnetwork more, every aired game more, read more articles…etc. It’s given me something exciting to, something to keep me excited every week. It’s not just Fanduel getting money…it’s the ratings and the ‘clicks’ these sites are getting thanks to Fanduel. These uptight politicians need to wake up and realize that this is something you shouldn’t kill.

    Oh wait….it’s because THEY aren’t making money from it. These sort of things make me hate the government and age we live in where it’s all about the 1% pocketbook.

  • jlowery73

    2012 DDC Main Event Champion

    • 2014 FAFC Finalist

    • x3

      2015 FACFC Finalist

    Just waited in line this morning after pumping gas behind a middle aged couple in dirty sweats buying $30 worth of scratch-offs……the states of course welcoming this with open arms.

  • Maxkim

    What do I do about my head to heads that already up? Is it illegal to play them?

  • evil333

    the games are not illegal at this time…if/when they are your games will be cancelled and you will be notified. This happened in Victiv month ago when they decided to pull out early…were they ahead of the curve?

  • frob2424

    @Mattg45 said...

    I never said I would, you need to go back to 3rd grade English class
    Just sayin

    I’ll just leave this right here where you say you and your friends used to go to “underground places” to gamble. Have a good day sir.

    Mattg45 wrote:
    “I can speak for me and a few buddies of mine that we used to gamble with bookies and underground places”

  • n1ck111

    @S7ubs said...

    Poker is gambling yet takes skill and the pros win all the money. Still gambling, tell yourself all you want it’s not. You see the injuries in the NBA last night? I.e. I had Kevin Durant last night, he was a good start. He hurt his hammy and missed the 2nd half. That is unlucky and happened by CHANCE. We can do all the research and crunch numbers as much as we want but at the end of the day we still need the players to perform, which we have 0 control over. Just like poker players can know all the odds and percentages but they still need the cards to fall their way in order to win in the long run. Stop telling yourself DFS isn’t gambling because it is

    So by this argument is investing in a company gambling since you have very little control of the outcome? I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the definition. My definition of “gambling” includes the mathematical result that long term you will always lose. Craps and roulette are gambling from this perspective.

    Regardless, I don’t agree with the fact that anyone should take away my decision to manage my own risk/reward in life, so if I want to invest or gamble why shouldn’t I be allowed to and deal with the consequence?

  • Brian6035

    I will be going on a hunger strike until the AG publicly admits that he’s a political hack for the state and then steps down.

  • evil333

    BTW how does this affect the DFS Players Conference which is ironically held in NYC?

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    Reposting from the other thread.

    Found #s on NY lottery page. Lottery has a 40% ‘rake’
    Share and retweet the heck out of this.
    https://twitter.com/DFSGEEK/status/664448834962071552

  • n1ck111

    @AtGame7 said...

    Game of chance with a wager placed on it=gambling
    Game of skill with a wager placed on it=gambling

    By this definition isn’t this life a game a chance where we are constantly making decisions where we are managing risk/reward and putting wagers on it? I take out a home mortgage, I am wagering that I can pay it back. I start a business and take out a loan and pay employees, I am wagering that they will do their jobs and that I will turn a profit. Do I have complete control over everything? No I am just managing risk/reward the entire time.

  • gobluetjg91

    Awkward

  • gobluetjg91

    for the conference to be in NYC

  • qutgnt25

    The dfs conference should head right to aqueduct and resorts casino and hold a massive protest to boycott and strike where it hurts. I love how this clown is on tv saying season long is fine due to an advertising loophole where sites earn from advertising. Money is still changing hands. That is his definition of gambling. If im fd and dk and the ship is sinking in court id demand season long be shut down . Then see the outrage that would occur. The amount of revenue loss that will trickle down by loss of ratings, loss of tv packages, loss of taxable revenue will be felt. When nfl team values take a hit rhen jerry jones and robert kraft will single handedly lobby to our side. Also love how the argument that 1% of people making 90% of the money doesnt clearly scream game of skill. Hope dk and fd fight this to the death.

  • Jburgio31

    Don’t forget about only getting 6 months in jail for running someone over with your car and leaving the scene….but DFS is the problem. Now I know why my friends are leaving this state.

  • DabsAndFrags

    @evil333 said...

    BTW how does this affect the DFS Players Conference which is ironically held in NYC?

    So far “UPDATE: DFSPlayersCon moving forward as planned. RotoGrinders in close contact with DraftKings and @FanDuel. Changes to be reported here.” From the twitter. Interesting situation for sure.

  • evil333

    It appears from the AG letter that it is targeting FD and DK at this time but what about our other sites? I am just curious how this is affecting each site in particular. I do not currently live in NY and have not received any email from the site but curious if anyone else has heard from ANY sites on this…

  • AtGame7

    @n1ck111 said...

    By this definition isn’t this life a game a chance where we are constantly making decisions where we are managing risk/reward and putting wagers on it? I take out a home mortgage, I am wagering that I can pay it back. I start a business and take out a loan and pay employees, I am wagering that they will do their jobs and that I will turn a profit. Do I have complete control over everything? No I am just managing risk/reward the entire time.

    I will not disagree that you can spin it that way and be absolutely correct. I think there is a difference between “risk” and “gambling”. We all face risk everyday, in an effort to live our live we have to take on whatever we decide is an acceptable amount of risk in our daily process. Yes, driving involves risk, but I don’t think I am OK with defining that risk as gambling. We tend to interchange the definitions of those words as a society to fit our agenda.

    I take on the risk of driving to get to the store, but if I bet you $10 that I make it to the store unharmed then I am gambling. Does that make sense?

    I’m not disagreeing with you, I don’t understand why the US feels the need to regulate gambling to the extent it does. Other countries seem to find it acceptable, I honestly don’t understand the thought process here in the US.

    I think the analogy of allowing scratch offs and collecting taxes on them is about as accurate as it gets.

    Gambling is not the enemy here, Gov’t intervention is.

  • Jburgio31

    Here’s another thing that may or may not have been brought up. Only FD and DK have had a cease-and-desist order against them and have 5 days to appeal. At that time NYS would have to prove their case in court that there has been illegal activity. Hopefully FD and DK will follow through on this. This may be their best chance to stop the bleeding. I also think this was partially self inflicted due to their excessive advertising and lottery type payouts. When you advertise $1,000,000+ payouts, you’re going to attract a lot of attention, especially from lawmakers who want to get in the spotlight. Hopefully this will end well. I have a lot of fun doing this, and hopefully can hit a decent pay day soon. I’ve been close!!!

  • n1ck111

    @AtGame7 said...

    I take on the risk of driving to get to the store, but if I bet you $10 that I make it to the store unharmed then I am gambling. Does that make sense?

    Let’s say you pay an employee to drive to the store and pay them $10 in hopes that they get there unharmed. Are you gambling?

  • n1ck111

    @AtGame7 said...

    Gambling is not the enemy here, Gov’t intervention is.

    Agreed

  • slcseas

    @Avgplayer said...

    This really PISSES ME OFF. Yea sit on your ass, do nothing but complain.

    When neither party represents my interests, the only way I can effect change is to throw money at a lobbyist. That’s not something I’m willing to do. I’m truly center from a political perspective, and it doesn’t make sense to me to give support one way or the another just to pat myself on the back and say I’m a good citizen because I voted for a candidate I don’t like. If there is ever a truly viable candidate that represents my interests I’ll happily throw my support behind them. Until then it’s a waste of my time and resources.

  • McGibblets84

    So what does happen to your funds on here if your state isn’t allowed to play? Can you still withdraw whenever?

  • falconidae

    The major sports realize how beneficial DFS has been to their ratings, there are huge entities that want DFS to continue, I think it will.

    For those saying that NY is the first step towards DFS being banned in all the other states, the reverse is true as well. If the NY AG loses in court, the other states will be much less likely to try and ban it.

    I’m not a lawyer, but listening to the lawyers talking about this, it’s hardly cut and dried that NY will be able to make this stick.

  • AtGame7

    @n1ck111 said...

    Let’s say you pay an employee to drive to the store and pay them $10 in hopes that they get there unharmed. Are you gambling?

    Again, please understand I am on your side.

    I still call that driving “risk” being taken on by the employee. You are paying an employee to do a job, nothing more. As an employer you take on the “risk” of said employee being worth $10. Some jobs require greater skill and thus greater pay. (Here’s where I put it together, I think) Some jobs require greater RISK and require greater pay. A cashier at a fast food joint makes less money than a skyscraper window cleaner. I could argue neither job takes greater skill but one involves greater risk.

    We can go round and round on example after example and ultimately get nowhere. I still don’t think trying to defend DFS as not gambling is the right approach here. I would much prefer the battle be about grown adults being allowed to spend their time and money how they wish and the hypocrisy of allowing/taxing some forms of gambling yet unilaterally banning others.

    We have a political problem here, not a definition of gambling problem.

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