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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Hi everyone — NBA Late Swap has been a passionate topic of discussion within the DFS player community over the past few years.

    Because the status of injured and inactive players in the NBA is often unknown until minutes before tip-off, our users have shared a strong desire to swap players out of a lineup(s), so long as the listed start time of player’s game has not passed.

    We also recognize there are pros/cons with enabling late swap versus no late swap feature. On one hand, offering late swap could help a user avoid a “zero” scoring player on their lineup(s). On the other hand, no late swap feature, allows a user to set their lineups without the need for last minute lineup adjustments after breaking news.

    Therefore, throughout each sport season we survey active players about their playing experience and request product feedback. From 2015-2017, NBA user survey results indicated our users were split ~50%/50% when asked if DraftKings should offer late swap.

    During the 2017-2018 we saw a slight shift in sentiment, now strongly in favor of bringing back NBA Late Swap: – The return of NBA Late Swap was the #1 contest enhancement request. – 75% of players surveyed said they would be either “very interested” or “somewhat interested” in the return of Late Swap.

    Given the increase in customer demand for this feature, our main offering for NBA will offer the Late Swap feature on Classic and Tiers game formats for the 2018-2019 season. Late Swap is not necessary for Showdown Captain Mode game formats.

    As the game and community demand evolves, so does DraftKings. The NBA contest managers will be looking at Late Swap utilization and entry trends at the start of the season, and may adjust as the needs and demands of our players evolve.

    Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

  • Avsrick

    I have read through this and learned a lot. I assumed late swap would be a good thing but as I read, maybe not. I am that guy that gets pissed when my 3$ entry is toast because of a late scratch. I do have a question for the more knowledgeable. Why would optimizing your lineup several times a night benefit? I guess I am trying to understand what the “pros” are seeing in early games that would make them optimize several times. I am a little lost here. I guess if they are up towards the top of the leaderboard and have some risky plays they could swap to more chalky type players?

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Avsrick said...

    I have read through this and learned a lot. I assumed late swap would be a good thing but as I read, maybe not. I am that guy that gets pissed when my 3$ entry is toast because of a late scratch. I do have a question for the more knowledgeable. Why would optimizing your lineup several times a night benefit? I guess I am trying to understand what the “pros” are seeing in early games that would make them optimize several times. I am a little lost here. I guess if they are up towards the top of the leaderboard and have some risky plays they could swap to more chalky type players?

    Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcpVepMumA

    Eddie Fear explains it perfectly.

  • noddy

    @yisman said...

    According to what I know, that would be a contest pros would be barred from. Pro in this case defined as a user with at least one million in career winnings on DK.

    IIRC the threshold is below 5 dollar entry fee and below a $25,000 prize pool. That keeps pros out of all small buyins aside from those huge MME GPPs.

    So I guess NBA could still be playable for the posters here, but they’d need to play contests under 5 bucks and below 25k prize pool.

    As others have stated, late swap benefits the 1% a lot more than the other players. Everyone’s average score will improve with late swap, but their scores will improve more.

    Get ready for people complaining about how ridiculous the cash lines are.

    Yep. I like to play $1 and $2 50/50’s and hate getting a big fat zero. So therefore late swap can be good for people other than who most people are saying it’s going to benefit.

  • Trappist1

    @yisman said...

    According to what I know, that would be a contest pros would be barred from. Pro in this case defined as a user with at least one million in career winnings on DK.

    IIRC the threshold is below 5 dollar entry fee and below a $25,000 prize pool. That keeps pros out of all small buyins aside from those huge MME GPPs.

    So I guess NBA could still be playable for the posters here, but they’d need to play contests under 5 bucks and below 25k prize pool.

    As others have stated, late swap benefits the 1% a lot more than the other players. Everyone’s average score will improve with late swap, but their scores will improve more.

    Get ready for people complaining about how ridiculous the cash lines are.

    They define around 400 high volume players who have passed the one million mark in total buy-in fees. The career winnings do not matter at all, it is the total buy-in fee they count. Any player can win the milly maker in their first and second attempt after signing in and imagine barring them for that. It will not make sense at all.

  • Gathman78

    LOL at the “my wife won’t let me check my lineups after lock” comments. Quite sad, really. In this day and age with tech it’s really zero hassle to pay attention to the news and make adjustments without impacting your “family” time. That’s like me telling my wife she can’t read her book after dinner because I want her 100% undivided attention. Gimme a break.

  • mtdurham

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Yes, it will. Last season it felt like the contests were tilted toward Eastern conference teams, because you knew who was playing in the East when lineups locked. If you wanted to play West coast games, a lot of the time you were shooting in the dark because certain Western conference coaches (looking at you, Steve Kerr and Luke Walton) were notoriously tight-lipped about whether questionable players were playing or not, sometimes waiting until right before games started to make their announcements. So basically you had a choice between taking Eastern players you knew would be starting or, if you wanted to play the Lakers game for example, guessing which one of Julius Randle, Larry Nance or Brook Lopez would be starting.

    I wonder if King James moving to the Western conference had anything to do with the decision to bring back late swap…but I digress. It will be a breath of fresh air to be able to play the West coast games without all that uncertainty.

    The thing is…taking a 0 is not nearly as detrimental as people believe…. you have to realize anywhere form 50-85% (depending how skilled you are) were probably not even going to cash anyway…. and most of the time when they do cash it’s the difference between barely missing the money and min cashing…..

    In the meantime by playing a guy who is questionable or 3% owned bc he’s not confirmed in the lineup yet when his “true value” ownership should be 10-12%??? That’s the kind of stuff that willl win you a freaking GPP one day….. and that $25,000 score will offset one stupid zero per week for the rest of your life…

    If I’m playing 20 lineups, what do I care about one of them catching a Zero?! Big deal… that’s like getting upset that I dropped a cheerio on the floor.

    Now if they want to make late swap for “Single Entry”, “3-max”, or large buyin tournaments ($100+) I think that would be a great compromise…. Look if you can’t handle monitoring one lineup, maybe you should just not play that night… or just be an adult and don’t get upset that a lineup that was unlikely to win anyway is now a near certainty not to win.

    If you’re buying in for a $2,120 ten man tournament… I can see getting pretty miffed about catching a Zero. You want to play with the big boys pay the toll.

    But if I want to play 100 lineups for $1 apiece I shouldn’t be required to devote my entire night to DFS at the expense of all social and familial obligations. I don’t want my hygenie/rest/schoolwork/hobbies/physical and mental health all to suffer just because I’m a degenerate gambler with ADD and the absolute need to prove I’m better than everyone else because I can accurately forecast how much Kyle Kuzma usage/role will change with Lebron’s move to the Lakers.

  • mtdurham

    @yisman said...

    I’m disappointed. I was hoping sites would come up with a solution for the garbage nba late scratches without full on late swap.

    Like if you pick a guy who was probable or had no designation and he gets scratched, you can then swap him out for someone of equal or lesser salary. Or you get his average points. Full on late swap is just a disaster.

    I probably won’t be playing much. I’m the NBA player who would just use late swap if my player got ruled out.

    I’d be all for a “bench” option where you could designate ONE player who is eligible to replace a player of equal or less value if he has positional eligibility.

    In other words… I think Kawhi Leonard is in danger of being scratched… he’s $6700 and i throw him in the utility role… i designate $6,200 Harrison Barnes with SF/PF eligibility as my “bench” option… if any player at the SF/PF/F/Utility spot is ruled OUT as in IS NOT ACTIVE for that evening… and salary constraints allow for it… Barnes becomes my new player….

    This would have to be designated prior to lineup lock at 7 PM or whatever, would only be for a 1 v 1 replacement, and only if those requirements were met…. no “Did Not Play-Coaches Decision, a PG didnt play so i replaced him with a center, a $3800 SF didnt play so I replaced him with a $4500 SF”

    SImple for players to understand…perhaps not simple for DK to implement but it’s the most effective compromise…. it allows players to play guys they want to play, not get screwed with 0’s, and not lose massive equity to professionals and computer nerds

  • noddy

    @Gathman78 said...

    LOL at the “my wife won’t let me check my lineups after lock” comments. Quite sad, really. In this day and age with tech it’s really zero hassle to pay attention to the news and make adjustments without impacting your “family” time. That’s like me telling my wife she can’t read her book after dinner because I want her 100% undivided attention. Gimme a break.

    Yep I can’t believe some of my friends and what they say. Just crazy

  • yisman

    @Trappist1 said...

    They define around 400 high volume players who have passed the one million mark in total buy-in fees. The career winnings do not matter at all, it is the total buy-in fee they count. Any player can win the milly maker in their first and second attempt after signing in and imagine barring them for that. It will not make sense at all.

    Yes, that makes more sense. There was a thread a while ago discussing it.

    Here was the exact verbiage.

    “Draftkings players with $1 Million in lifetime entry fees will not be able to play in contests that have an entry fee less than $5 AND a total prize pool less than $25,000.”

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Gathman78 said...

    LOL at the “my wife won’t let me check my lineups after lock” comments. Quite sad, really. In this day and age with tech it’s really zero hassle to pay attention to the news and make adjustments without impacting your “family” time. That’s like me telling my wife she can’t read her book after dinner because I want her 100% undivided attention. Gimme a break.

    Gathman,

    You are not seeing the full picture here. In order to REALLY take advantage of late swap, it takes much more than simply checking your phone for any alerts that a late scratch happened and replacing that player. Again, check out the video I linked above. He explains it in detail. Taking full advantage would be sitting at your computer and making multiple substitutions across all your lineups to take advantage of late news and/or players performance in the early games.

    The average guy will never do that. Thus, late swap really does hurt the average guy, and they simply are not aware it will.

    Keep in mind, these are just my personal views as a player, nothing to do with RG. I am fully aware of the disadvantage late swap will bring me and just like others chose not to play without it, I will choose to not play with it. The edge in DFS is already small enough as it is.

  • Trappist1

    @mtdurham said...

    I’d be all for a “bench” option where you could designate ONE player who is eligible to replace a player of equal or less value if he has positional eligibility.

    In other words… I think Kawhi Leonard is in danger of being scratched… he’s $6700 and i throw him in the utility role… i designate $6,200 Harrison Barnes with SF/PF eligibility as my “bench” option… if any player at the SF/PF/F/Utility spot is ruled OUT as in IS NOT ACTIVE for that evening… and salary constraints allow for it… Barnes becomes my new player….

    This would have to be designated prior to lineup lock at 7 PM or whatever, would only be for a 1 v 1 replacement, and only if those requirements were met…. no “Did Not Play-Coaches Decision, a PG didnt play so i replaced him with a center, a $3800 SF didnt play so I replaced him with a $4500 SF”

    SImple for players to understand…perhaps not simple for DK to implement but it’s the most effective compromise…. it allows players to play guys they want to play, not get screwed with 0’s, and not lose massive equity to professionals and computer nerds

    I am not a computer nerd, just an information junkie that is all. Bench/sub option is easy to implement and been used by other fantasy platforms. It is a good compromise for all having a bench/sub option.

  • yisman

    @mtdurham said...

    I’d be all for a “bench” option where you could designate ONE player who is eligible to replace a player of equal or less value if he has positional eligibility.

    In other words… I think Kawhi Leonard is in danger of being scratched… he’s $6700 and i throw him in the utility role… i designate $6,200 Harrison Barnes with SF/PF eligibility as my “bench” option… if any player at the SF/PF/F/Utility spot is ruled OUT as in IS NOT ACTIVE for that evening… and salary constraints allow for it… Barnes becomes my new player….

    This would have to be designated prior to lineup lock at 7 PM or whatever, would only be for a 1 v 1 replacement, and only if those requirements were met…. no “Did Not Play-Coaches Decision, a PG didnt play so i replaced him with a center, a $3800 SF didnt play so I replaced him with a $4500 SF”

    SImple for players to understand…perhaps not simple for DK to implement but it’s the most effective compromise…. it allows players to play guys they want to play, not get screwed with 0’s, and not lose massive equity to professionals and computer nerds

    Yes and at the end of last season, Dan Back was saying the sites were working on a solution.

    Draft of course has a solution in place but the other sites do not.

    I had hoped that during the long offseason, they would be able to program something like what you’re suggesting.

    There were various ideas on how to deal with this issue.

  • hobbes2d

    @bhdevault said...

    Gathman,

    You are not seeing the full picture here. In order to REALLY take advantage of late swap, it takes much more than simply checking your phone for any alerts that a late scratch happened and replacing that player. Again, check out the video I linked above. He explains it in detail. Taking full advantage would be sitting at your computer and making multiple substitutions across all your lineups to take advantage of late news and/or players performance in the early games.

    The average guy will never do that. Thus, late swap really does hurt the average guy, and they simply are not aware it will.

    Keep in mind, these are just my personal views as a player, nothing to do with RG. I am fully aware of the disadvantage late swap will bring me and just like others chose not to play without it, I will choose to not play with it. The edge in DFS is already small enough as it is.

    The average guy is already screwed anyway whether there is late swap or not. They’re far more likely to make roster construction mistakes.

  • frugal

    @damionismyname said...

    You don’t get it. Who cares because they already have max entered lineups to beat mine regardless and they do this without late swap already. Late swap or no late swap the “pros” have the advantage to hedge bets and play “what if” plays while I play conservative as to not lose. You’re argument holds no weight as its virtually the same thing with or without late swap if you’re mass entering. You think the guy with the 50 team train playing the questionable player who ends up playing cares if he entered it with late swap or not? No, he just wants that train to cash and take everyone’s money regardless. You seem to think no late swap is saving you from algorithms or software models. It’s not and pros with those fancy gadgets are always ahead no matter what.

    This. Any multi entry contest a casual player enters and does not max out is giving an advantage to the players who do end of story. I don’t care if a pro is adjusting lineups as the night progresses to try and maximize lineups, I’ve done it myself and am no pro. The casual player is aided by lower max entry and single entry contests. IMHO, multi position eligibility also favors pros but none seems to be crying about that. If one doesn’t want to play against sharks, the sites are getting better about setting up systems which are supposed to stop this. I moved pretty much all my NBA entries to Yahoo after DK stopped offering late swap, may move some back this season.

  • mtdurham

    @Trappist1 said...

    DK are between a rock and a hard place here. Lose customers who get fed up burning money by scratches on NBA or have the late swap. The innovative solution might have been to have 2 bench/sub spot like what happens in FPL seasonal game and it replaces the players in the line-up that was a non-starter. That will have been a better compromise. They have the technology to implement it and I have seen smaller DFS platforms use sub/bench spot over a late swap.

    I dont understand how anyone thinking about this logically could conclude No late swap is “burning money”

    Everyne is at the same disadvantage/advantage with the current system… you can decide to avoid West Coast players, players with questionable health, and teams who frequently play it safe… or you can decide the risk is worth the reward and play those guys and take advantage of the “value” they offer by being lower owned…

    Burning money is playing late swap against professionals that are using this to absolutely crush your chances of ever finishing in the top 5…. We already have massive steep dropoffs… the prize pools are too top heavy for above average players to have any hope of winning in the long run…. this just ensures they’ll lose their entire deposit in short order.

    ~15 years ago when I first began playing poker in casinos everyone played LIMIT poker… the game was math based and fairly rote strategy (particularly at the lower levels) sure… but it encouraged action (sure ill play King-10 suited, i can always fold if i miss the flop!) and made sure the players could buy in for $200 at a $3/$6 limit game and play all night long as long as they didn’t run horribly or play incredibly stupid…. $200 for a full nights worth of entertainment, free drinks, etc was worth it to a lot of casual players….

    Then No-Limit came along. Formerly No-Limit was only really used in tournaments where an escalating blind structure added a lot of skill, strategy, and game theory to the format. Only 90 year old grandpas in Reno, Nevada played No Limit cash games because they were boring as all get out. It was a “nut game” where you folded everything but excellent starting hands, you check folded constantly to avoid getting in bloated pots out of position, etc….

    Well when NL cash games first gained popularity they were amazing. A bunch of casual players who didnt know what the heck they were doing building up multiway bloated pots… there was all kinds of ways to play a LAGGY loose aggressive style and clean up… or you could play tight aggressive and the casual players would still shovel their chips into your possession as fast as they could….

    Problem is the overall level of play/knowledge began to increase… the casual players got absolutely annihilated… many of the former great LAGGY players couldnt adapt to the tighter games and got crushed… guys would drive 3 hours to the casino and lose an entire 2 week paycheck in 45 minutes and be forced to go home… guess what….the games dried up HARD… guys who were clearing 6 figures previously started going broke…the former 5 figure guys were now the donkeys…

    DFS is no different… Theres only a certain amount of absolute degenerates in their world that will keep reaching into their pocket when they have no hope of winning. And only a certain amount of break even gamblers who will keep reaching into their pocket “hoping to hit a big score” when they start losing large…. the guys who make small profits will no longer devote their time/resources as they slip to breakeven or worse..

    Ultimately the prize pools will suffer. That I will guarantee. They wont get bigger because the top professionals who are already mass entering win an extra $75,000. They will get smaller because 10,000 people take their ball and go home.

    If you’re the type of person who would quit DFS because you lost $2 when Dirk Nowitzki didn’t play on the 2nd night of a back to back, maybe DFS isn’t for you. You were going to quit eventually anyway because clearly you aren’t someone who understands DFS skill/theory and let’s face it you were going to be a long-term loser.

    But if you’re the type of person who would quit DFS because you were just looking to have some fun with the HOPE of one day getting lucky and winning a big score….and now you’ve started eating massive losses and DK has virtually removed all hope of ever winning big? Thats a different story. That’s 99% of the community.

  • yisman

    ^ I’m not going to quote the entire post but I like the poker analogy. It’s apt.

  • Jvanspro

    @Gathman78 said...

    LOL at the “my wife won’t let me check my lineups after lock” comments. Quite sad, really. In this day and age with tech it’s really zero hassle to pay attention to the news and make adjustments without impacting your “family” time. That’s like me telling my wife she can’t read her book after dinner because I want her 100% undivided attention. Gimme a break.

    You’re completely missing what late swap is. If you are doing it from a phone, you are doing it wrong. It’s about calculating plays based on performance of your lineups vs. the field and swapping.

    Late swap never has and never will have anything to do with scratches in the current setup. If you believe it is you are misguided.

    If done correctly players are calculating you lineup and optimizing plays to push you lower in the standings or under the cash line. Look at the big picture here my friends. The current setup is bad for you. If it were setup for scratches only then were are talking about a completely different scenario. I’m all for that format.

  • mtdurham

    @bhdevault said...

    Gathman,

    You are not seeing the full picture here. In order to REALLY take advantage of late swap, it takes much more than simply checking your phone for any alerts that a late scratch happened and replacing that player. Again, check out the video I linked above. He explains it in detail. Taking full advantage would be sitting at your computer and making multiple substitutions across all your lineups to take advantage of late news and/or players performance in the early games.

    The average guy will never do that. Thus, late swap really does hurt the average guy, and they simply are not aware it will.

    Keep in mind, these are just my personal views as a player, nothing to do with RG. I am fully aware of the disadvantage late swap will bring me and just like others chose not to play without it, I will choose to not play with it. The edge in DFS is already small enough as it is.

    FWIW, I’m probably the worst guy ever in relationships because truthfully I love myself more than I ever could any woman and I’m too selfish/narcissistic to really care about how my decisions affect anyone else. I’ll pretend to empathize/apologize/etc but that’s just part of the whole shtick.

    That said, in every single relationship I’ve ever been in I’d be willing (forced?) to make the compromise to not to devote 7 nights a week to DFS computer programming from 7 PM to 10 PM.

    This compromise bhdevault has with his wife is nowhere near the realm of being “whipped” or his wife being unreasonable. I find it hard to believe that any of you have ever had a successful relationship with an attractive woman who has any form of self worth if you can’t see how ridiculous it would be to not compromise in his situation.

  • noddy

    I like it. I’ll play the lower cash buy ins and single entry GPP’s. I’d rather be able to swap my player out who would get me zero than not be able to swap him out.

  • yisman

    I don’t think you can really have a meaningful relationship if you want to be competitive in the late swap game unless you found a way to automate the process somehow.

    You need to spend hours of research daily at a computer, then be around at lock time on a computer, then stick around from main slate lock until the final game of the night locks. Oh, and NBA is every single day with the exception of All Star weekend, from 10/16 to 4/10 (with playoff DFS it’s not that much of an issue so I’m not counting that).

    However, the issue is really with the contests where the pros can play. If you’re in the types of contests they’re barred from, there will be very few, if any, people doing what can hurt you so it shouldn’t be that bad, like noddy is saying.

    With that said, I likely won’t even play those.

  • Njsum1

    @frugal said...

    This. Any multi entry contest a casual player enters and does not max out is giving an advantage to the players who do end of story. I don’t care if a pro is adjusting lineups as the night progresses to try and maximize lineups, I’ve done it myself and am no pro. The casual player is aided by lower max entry and single entry contests. IMHO, multi position eligibility also favors pros but none seems to be crying about that. If one doesn’t want to play against sharks, the sites are getting better about setting up systems which are supposed to stop this. I moved pretty much all my NBA entries to Yahoo after DK stopped offering late swap, may move some back this season.

    If you mean contests where people can enter 150 lineups, and you’re not, I’d agree. Yet I don’t think, in fact I know from experience, that in 20 max contests, in the sport of baseball, one can actually be better off with fewer lineups. In NBA and NFL, slate depending, the full 20 might be the way to go.

    Back to late swap…besides the fact that people can avoid pros, for most people who are anti late swap, it isn’t just about the edge they give up by not using correctly, it’s that they simply do not want to spend their night redoing lineups, just so they don’t get run over by the competition. It doesn’t matter what level they are playing at, it could be from quarters to 3 dollars. Personally I would welcome, 1for 1swaps, or a sub position, if the sites could figure it out. That takes no time…I get an alert, the scratched player gets unlocked and I do a universal swap. Takes all of a minute. Great…no problem.

    Yet I certainly do not care to make backloaded blank lineups, and constantly reoptimize for breaking news, from 7 to 1030, every night for 6 months, when I already just spent 2 hours researching and hand making 20 lineups. No thank you. Cause even at low level buy ins, people will do this. For me it takes the fun out. Too much of a time commitment for what should be a hobby at the smaller levels. I don’t mind losing to better players, that’s life. Yet I don’t want to play I game where I will be disadvantaged simply because I do not want to adjust my lineups all night and sit in front of a screen.

    I don’t mind constantly refreshing BBM up until 7…after that, I’ve got better things to do. Even on nights where those “better things” are just following the teams I’ve already created.

  • bigez952

    @bhdevault said...

    Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcpVepMumA

    Eddie Fear explains it perfectly.

    Good video and it does a great job of explaining how the successful players use late swap to clean up. For the ones who can dedicate their entire night researching this will be a great thing for them to gain an extra edge when edges are already so hard to find.

    I was the guy in group 2 who got ate alive by group 1 and eventually quit NBA all together as I would just lose every night and couldn’t come close to a win rate high enough to make it fun. When late swap went away I am still not a profitable NBA player but I did well enough to not get destroyed in 2 weeks and had enough money coming back to get enjoyment out of it. Now that late swap is back I don’t look forward to going back to my 20% win rate so I am out for this season until a hybrid system can be put in place. Not a huge deal really though since I am very casual when it comes to NBA and liked to play a handful of nights a month when I had the time to do so.

  • damionismyname

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    @Jvanspro said...

    You clearly don’t get it. You are so stuck on the two times a season a players is ruled out and you can use it to not take a 0. Good for you but you have blinders on and can’t see the big picture. It will cost you ROI but you’ll never see that.

    sad that you don’t get it, you obviously have blinders on and don’t see that pros already have the angles with max enter which is their “late swap” without late swap. I always used late swap to my advantage and not just for late scratches so bypass the getting a 0 argument and get the fact that its advantages to players who utilize it correctly like me or a person entering 150 lu’s. I’f I cant afford 150 lineups then late swap is the closest equivalent to making it fair.

  • damionismyname

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    @bhdevault said...

    Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcpVepMumA

    Eddie Fear explains it perfectly.

    dude also basically says MLB dfs is easier than NBA which is total bs. he is just one of those guys who is too lazy to pay attention and wants to try his hand at a big payday with minimal effort. Casual = lazy and not sure why you guys are bitching when you will have 3 other slates to play. If you cant watch news and have kids and all that then sorry. Some ppl work on Sunday and cant watch football either.

  • damionismyname

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    @mtdurham said...

    FWIW, I’m probably the worst guy ever in relationships because truthfully I love myself more than I ever could any woman and I’m too selfish/narcissistic to really care about how my decisions affect anyone else. I’ll pretend to empathize/apologize/etc but that’s just part of the whole shtick.

    That said, in every single relationship I’ve ever been in I’d be willing (forced?) to make the compromise to not to devote 7 nights a week to DFS computer programming from 7 PM to 10 PM.

    This compromise bhdevault has with his wife is nowhere near the realm of being “whipped” or his wife being unreasonable. I find it hard to believe that any of you have ever had a successful relationship with an attractive woman who has any form of self worth if you can’t see how ridiculous it would be to not compromise in his situation.

    maybe he should not play NBA slates that compromise his relationship. You guys want everyone else to cater to your family/relationship needs when you can invest in other options. You want the system to work around your personal life.

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