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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Hi everyone — NBA Late Swap has been a passionate topic of discussion within the DFS player community over the past few years.

    Because the status of injured and inactive players in the NBA is often unknown until minutes before tip-off, our users have shared a strong desire to swap players out of a lineup(s), so long as the listed start time of player’s game has not passed.

    We also recognize there are pros/cons with enabling late swap versus no late swap feature. On one hand, offering late swap could help a user avoid a “zero” scoring player on their lineup(s). On the other hand, no late swap feature, allows a user to set their lineups without the need for last minute lineup adjustments after breaking news.

    Therefore, throughout each sport season we survey active players about their playing experience and request product feedback. From 2015-2017, NBA user survey results indicated our users were split ~50%/50% when asked if DraftKings should offer late swap.

    During the 2017-2018 we saw a slight shift in sentiment, now strongly in favor of bringing back NBA Late Swap: – The return of NBA Late Swap was the #1 contest enhancement request. – 75% of players surveyed said they would be either “very interested” or “somewhat interested” in the return of Late Swap.

    Given the increase in customer demand for this feature, our main offering for NBA will offer the Late Swap feature on Classic and Tiers game formats for the 2018-2019 season. Late Swap is not necessary for Showdown Captain Mode game formats.

    As the game and community demand evolves, so does DraftKings. The NBA contest managers will be looking at Late Swap utilization and entry trends at the start of the season, and may adjust as the needs and demands of our players evolve.

    Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

  • yisman

    I can promise you the scores will go up. As mentioned, for the people posting here, their average score will increase, but the average cash line in the big GPPs will increase more than that, so it’s a net loss.

    You’re going to hear people complaining every night about how high the cash line is, because the last 2 seasons…

  • Xeno83

    I’m kinda grunching like 3 years of discussion here and I’m sure someone suggested it before, but I’ll try anyhow. If the problem is the occasional late scratch – why not add a bench position to the lineup?

    You still pick 8 players within the salary cap. Then you pick a 9th player as a bench player. The bench player can be any player that cost as much or less than the cheapest player in your lineup.

    The bench player only enters the lineup if one of your players DNP.

    Sure, sometimes you’ll get the very rare case of two scratches, but that seems like a pretty unlikely event.

    Why can’t this work? It might even add a little bit of strategy into roster construction.

  • noddy

    @Trappist1 said...

    Yes, surprised that Yahoo does not get that much traction. It is such a polished platform and ticks all the boxes.

    It is mind baffling to me that more people don’t play on yahoo. Any sport.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @noddy said...

    It is mind baffling to me that more people don’t play on yahoo. Any sport.

    Paid Yahoo dfs might not be available in as many states as the other sites.

  • Jvanspro

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    Paid Yahoo dfs might not be available in as many states as the other sites.

    Exactly, we can’t play on Yahoo in FL. FL is a pretty large DFS market too.

  • frugal

    @noddy said...

    It is mind baffling to me that more people don’t play on yahoo. Any sport.

    It’s due to the lower prize pools. Draftkings draws in casual players with the cheap entry high dollar contests that realistically there are extremely low chances of winning. Yahoo specifically caters to more casual players with less gimmicky contests, lower max entries, less rake, and a more aggressive player grading yet largely gets overlooked. Not only does Yahoo off late swap…up until the contest starts, the app will send a notification if you have a player rostered who’s not scheduled to start.

    Love Yahoo myself and play the vast majority of my games there.

  • lisapumariega

    Is it just me are is the late scratch issue way overblown? It might’ve happened to me like 5-6 times last season out of like 200 nights of action.

  • hopnosis

    This is why this isn’t gambling. Hellooooo???? It’s a COMPETITION. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s supposed to be to the advantage of the DK user who dedicates the most time and research and investment. Are we really going to sit down at a poker table with Doyle Brunson and get angry when we get knocked off. Also if you’re subscribed to rotogrinders and commenting on this post you are no longer a “casual player” so get over it.

  • yisman

    DK could’ve stuck with no late swap and one of the NBA achievements would’ve been number of players late scratched.

  • mtdurham

    @hopnosis said...

    This is why this isn’t gambling. Hellooooo???? It’s a COMPETITION. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s supposed to be to the advantage of the DK user who dedicates the most time and research and investment. Are we really going to sit down at a poker table with Doyle Brunson and get angry when we get knocked off. Also if you’re subscribed to rotogrinders and commenting on this post you are no longer a “casual player” so get over it.

    I think the idea is that when we sit down at a poker table with Doyle Brunson we want the ability to walk away from the table for 3 minutes to take a leak and in the meantime we don’t want someone to steal our $5,000 chip stack off the table.

    DFS becomes a LIFE commitment when you include late swap. It’s no longer “gambling”. Gambling implies that you at least have a chance to win

  • Puma103185

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    Hi everyone — NBA Late Swap has been a passionate topic of discussion within the DFS player community over the past few years.

    Because the status of injured and inactive players in the NBA is often unknown until minutes before tip-off, our users have shared a strong desire to swap players out of a lineup(s), so long as the listed start time of player’s game has not passed.

    We also recognize there are pros/cons with enabling late swap versus no late swap feature. On one hand, offering late swap could help a user avoid a “zero” scoring player on their lineup(s). On the other hand, no late swap feature, allows a user to set their lineups without the need for last minute lineup adjustments after breaking news.

    Therefore, throughout each sport season we survey active players about their playing experience and request product feedback. From 2015-2017, NBA user survey results indicated our users were split ~50%/50% when asked if DraftKings should offer late swap.

    During the 2017-2018 we saw a slight shift in sentiment, now strongly in favor of bringing back NBA Late Swap: – The return of NBA Late Swap was the #1 contest enhancement request. – 75% of players surveyed said they would be either “very interested” or “somewhat interested” in the return of Late Swap.

    Given the increase in customer demand for this feature, our main offering for NBA will offer the Late Swap feature on Classic and Tiers game formats for the 2018-2019 season. Late Swap is not necessary for Showdown Captain Mode game formats.

    As the game and community demand evolves, so does DraftKings. The NBA contest managers will be looking at Late Swap utilization and entry trends at the start of the season, and may adjust as the needs and demands of our players evolve.

    Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

    I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to have one of the main sites have late swap and the other not to. It gives people the option. So I can understand why DK made this switch but to act like there is no downside is asinine.

    It will be interesting as the season progresses to see if either site sees a major decrease in GPP sizes as the year progresses. I tried playing on Draft Kings last night as a test and realized I don’t have the time to stay with it all night and it puts me at a huge disadvantage.

    I understand why others would want it but because of this I will be moving my deposits over to Fan Duel so it’s not only going to lead to me not playing NBA but it’s going to lead to a major decrease in me playing NFL and college on their site also. I’m sure I am not the only one that is going to be making this decision.

  • tazfromoz

    For what its worth, thought I’d share my experience today.

    I was already feeling overwhelmed by trying to put together a lineup or 2 across an 11 game slate – the effort to gather all the basic news, analysis, strategies etc… pre-lock was stressful enough!
    I then realised that there was no way I was going to bother maintaining that effort of scanning for news across the entire day (contest runs day time in my timezone) so in the end I chose not to play at all. Just way too daunting for myself.

    For now I’m going to restrict my DK playing to just days of smaller slates where it’s a lot more manageable to keep up with everything. Will leave the big slate days to the pros!

    There’s always a decline in prize pools as the season goes on, but I’ll be genuinely surprised if the drop off isn’t much sharper this season. The casual player bankrolls will dry up so much quicker with this change and to put it simply, for me just the thought of the added work needed to seemingly remain competitive has immediately taken all the fun out of playing.

    The showdowns should flourish though which I suspect might be part of DK’s strategy in implementing this – possibly subconsciously :-).

    If I could play FD (can’t where I live) I 100% would be exclusively on there.

  • jackinthebox

    I think FD is open in all the same states DK is

  • yisman

    @jackinthebox said...

    I think FD is open in all the same states DK is

    I think so too. Up to last year Fanduel was not in Texas but it reopened some time ago.

  • moped_jones

    @hopnosis said...

    This is why this isn’t gambling. Hellooooo???? It’s a COMPETITION. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s supposed to be to the advantage of the DK user who dedicates the most time and research and investment. Are we really going to sit down at a poker table with Doyle Brunson and get angry when we get knocked off. Also if you’re subscribed to rotogrinders and commenting on this post you are no longer a “casual player” so get over it.

    Well said.

    There should be two types of contests.

    One for people that have the ability & desire to put in the research and make the best possible lineups they can.

    And one for the people that are too busy to put a lot of effort into this but somehow feel they still deserve to be good at this.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    ^
    They already do.
    It’s called Tiers.

  • moped_jones

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    ^
    They already do.
    It’s called Tiers.

    Don’t tiers have more to do with how many contests you’ve played?(*correct me if I’m wrong)

    If that is the case, I don’t think a person’s personal life changes just b/c he/she played their 1000th DFS contest.

  • bigez952

    @moped_jones said...

    Don’t tiers have more to do with how many contests you’ve played?(*correct me if I’m wrong)

    If that is the case, I don’t think a person’s personal life changes just b/c he/she played their 1000th DFS contest.

    Tiers is the new name for Pick em games.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/draftkings-is-bringing-back-late-swap-to-nba-2666867?page=9#reply-2713590

    This is why this isn’t gambling. Hellooooo???? It’s a COMPETITION. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s supposed to be to the advantage of the DK user who dedicates the most time and research and investment.

    Our Daily Fantasy Sports contests are a game of skill. Think of our contests as a competition of skillfulness; how you apply your skill is self determined. Some people do extensive research, others do not – that is a personal preference. There is also an element of luck, which is why in the short run anyone can win yet in the long run the most skillful players will rise to the top.

    DK could’ve stuck with no late swap and one of the NBA achievements would’ve been number of players late scratched.

    I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to have one of the main sites have late swap and the other not to. It gives people the option.

    We think it’s in everyone’s interest to offer the option that the majority of players requested, because that is where the majority will be playing. The masses have spoken – they want Late Swap. Our research predicts that there will be a move towards DK for NBA this season precisely due to this reason.

    It will be interesting as the season progresses to see if either site sees a major decrease in GPP sizes as the year progresses.

    Our current predictions show an increase in demand for NBA, not a decrease. Our predictions are always evolving, but think of it this way – we wouldn’t offer Late Swap if we thought it would hurt the demand for NBA ;-)

    For what its worth, thought I’d share my experience today.
    I was already feeling overwhelmed by trying to put together a lineup or 2 across an 11 game slate – the effort to gather all the basic news, analysis, strategies etc… pre-lock was stressful enough!
    I then realised that there was no way I was going to bother maintaining that effort of scanning for news across the entire day (contest runs day time in my timezone) so in the end I chose not to play at all. Just way too daunting for myself.
    For now I’m going to restrict my DK playing to just days of smaller slates where it’s a lot more manageable to keep up with everything. Will leave the big slate days to the pros!

    That is a great post tazfromoz, thank you for sharing your experience with us. We acknowledge that we cannot please everyone, our job is to aim to create contests that appeal to the majority.

    On the bright side an 11 or 9 game slate is rare, what you are describing is a side effect of the NBA season starting. 7 game slates are far more common which should be less stressful for you over time. But we certainly understand if you choose to sit out a slate, that’s a reasonable consideration that was priced into our entry fee prediction modeling.

    There’s always a decline in prize pools as the season goes on, but I’ll be genuinely surprised if the drop off isn’t much sharper this season.
    The showdowns should flourish though which I suspect might be part of DK’s strategy in implementing this – possibly subconsciously :-).

    There is a misconception about prize pools dropping as the season continues. In realty we oversize for the start of the season to help generate excitement, sometimes we miss when we oversize but it helps us define where the optimal median is. This oversizing has a side effect of setting expectations rather high, and that’s a good thing for the DFS ecosystem. Once that median is reached we try to test the boundaries to see how much bigger the contests can become.

    You might say that our actual goal is to continue to increase sizes until we encounter the law of diminishing returns. We see the entire ecosystem from the top down rather than the size on any one specific contest. Our view is the forest: we look down on the trees – rather than stand under a single tree while looking up. Our current prediction is MORE not less – we anticipate the demand for NBA at DraftKings to be bigger than ever before.

    As for Showdown contests, they are in such high demand for NBA hat we don’t need to do anything special to promote them – they have been a smashing success! ;-)

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Yeah tiers are the pick’ems.
    Obviously research and strategy pays off there as well, but you can also make a tier team with little or no research, it’s also a lot easier to manage. With the small player pool it’s also much easier to manage when it comes to potential late news. There’s no 4K punt that becomes elite value and changesbthe way you can fundamentally construct your team.

    As for seeing higher cash lines, through the first few nights – half the league has played at a pace higher than the Lelocans played last year (who were the highest pace)…so you know…there’s that too.

  • yisman

    Regarding the post earlier, he thought ‘tiers’ meant the achievements when people were actually referring to the pick’em game type.

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