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  • TheImmortalGoud

    Just received an email about a survey, and upon completion of it there is a freeroll to a $300 contest for UFC 202.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/26NQPPC?utm_source=DailyEmail&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Take+survey+Link&utm_campaign=

    The following questions were the ones that stuck out to me:

    3. If rosters on DraftKings changed from 5 fighters to 6 fighters I would:

    5. If DraftKings added the option to designate one MMA fighter as a “Captain” in your lineup, who would receive double points (2x) in all scoring categories, I Would:

    6. Suppose DraftKings created a “King” position. The fighter selected as “King” receives a multiplier based on his/her salary range. For example, 1 $10k fighter receives a 1.5x multiplier if that fighter is King, a $9k fighter would receive 2x, and a $8k fighter receives 3x.

    7. If there was an the option to designate one of your fighters as a “Striker”, where a Striker would receive double points for Significant Strikes, I would:

    I do not support adding more multipliers, and I would prefer it if fighters were reduced to 4, rather than increasing it to 6.

    How does everyone else feel about these suggestions?

  • DontThrowPick6

    @cleanslate said...

    I love the idea of adding a small amount of negative points for incorrect predictions, this is a great solution to the problem that bbbomb posed and would help differentiate scores even more.

    I really stand by the concept that the simplest solution is the best, and this modified version of my idea would be the simplest overall fix in my opinion. I personally don’t like the idea of only 1 fighter on your roster having a heavily weighted influence on your final standings relative to all of the other fighters that you had to pick.

    Also, for the people suggesting that we simply go to 6 fighters, again, there are only 11-12 fighters to pick from on an average event (often a bout is cancelled and there ends up being only 11 fights on a card). Most people agree that stacking is not at all viable for GPPs the VAST MAJORITY of the time. There have only been rare instances (i.e., Condit/Lawler) where stacking a 5 round main event paid off in a GPP contest.

    Has anyone actually gone back to the last event that only had 11 fights, EXCLUDED combinations of fighters that would involve stacking a fight, and seen how many permutations that event would have allowed with that events’ salary cap? How many permutations were there for that event with 5 fighters under the same criteria?

    I honestly don’t think it is going to result in enough viable combinations to break up ties that much (if at all). It may even result in more roster duplication. Someone needs to dig further into the mathematics of this, all we are doing is speculating at this point.

    Also, saying that increasing rosters from 5 to 6 worked for NASCAR and PGA is of no relevance here! I can’t emphasize that enough. NASCAR has over 30 drivers to pick from per event, and you don’t have to avoid pairing any 2 drivers together like you do with MMA (where you have to avoid stacking fighters from the same fight). PGA has 130+ Golfers to pick from per event on average! Again, no need to avoid playing any 2 golfers together in that sport.

    Surely we all can understand that the permutations of viable rosters is FAR GREATER in those 2 sports and that increasing the roster size from 5 to 6 was of great benefit. But again, how many viable permutations of only 11-12 fighters are there really going to be with a 6 roster format and, more importantly, a salary cap constraint? I really don’t think people are thinking this one through very clearly, and hopefully DK digs far deeper into if this would actually help break up ties before even considering implementing it.

    We hear what you are saying. I’m pretty sure the survey is meant to get feedback to see if any of the three changes would help better the user experience while not losing current players, not just trying to solve the tie dilemma. As a high volume MMA player, I did let DK know in their survey I am heavily for the 6 man roster with adjustments to pricing algorithm and moderately for the CAPTAIN implementation as I feel some uncomplicated change needs to be placed on the MMA experience as opposed to leaving it alone. If the changes somehow makes our “playability” worse, I’ll be sure to let them know (I’m sure everyone here will as well).

  • DontThrowPick6

    The more I think about it tho, the more I’m disliking the 6 fighter lineup idea.

  • Nosuckoutplz

    I suggested the scoring be more in line and not have such a huge bonus for winning in the 1st round. This is better in a few ways I think. One is it’s likely to be more skill based, and it’ll keep players engaged more. Nothing like not having the early big first round KO fighter in a card and having 80% to all of your fighters left, knowing you are only hoping to get a lucky cash, no chance at finishing high.

    Also I think it helps with ties because there are some pretty clear cut fights that scream “chess match” over “early knockout” and they are pretty much removed from the slate (yes, I get that there’s contrarian, but I think you get my point).

  • bmp1113

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    Increasing roster to 6 and some changes to pricing would improve the game the most. having to pick fighters in harder to predict fights is exactly what reduces ties. I wish there were ways to adjust scoring better but there just isnt enough mma stats to use.

  • zelda3024

    Many great ideas to make MMA so much more worth playing. I am sure DK will take our surveys and go over them and come up with a good solution. I also included in my survey that main events with 2600 to 3000 entries they do not need to have multi entries of 75 to sell out an event maybe 30 multi entries at tops. I also wrote they should have some 20 dollar 5000 entry tournaments.

  • kevin8053

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    I hated the idea of a King or Captain because it makes following the GPP very difficult. Normally you want to see who is behind you with a shot to catch up etc. Instead I highly approved of going to six fighters. In addition I suggested changes to the scoring system. Right now its like quiddich where the early W trumps everything else. Instead I suggested .25 pts per strike with a .75 bonus for significant strikes. Also jacking up the points for knockdowns and takedowns etc. More scoring so the 1st round KO isn’t the end all be all.

  • Zer0DayDan

    Going from 5 to 6 fighters would be a simple and effective way to cut way down on so many ties.

    6 is still a manageable number in comparison to NFL, MLB & NBA.

    I’ve won a 64 person Chokehold by myself so it’s not impossible.

  • th3goat84

    Picking ‘Decision’ vs ‘Finish’ will not work and here is why:

    If there are at least 5 finishes on any given card, you will have had to selected those 5 fighters to win a top prize (depending on the salary) because more points are rewarded for finishes then if the fight goes to a decision….unless, the fighter throws high volume/significant strikes (think 5 round back and forth title fights or main event).

    If finishes, especially 1st rounds finishes are the key to taking down big money, it wouldn’t make sense to decide ‘decision’ or ‘finish’ because the current strategy is taking guys that finish fast not necessarily the most talented or technical fighters. Who the hell would take a fighter and think, “I think this goes to a decision…”. No, the only strategy in Draftkings MMA is to take a fighter based on one outcome: Can this fighter KO/TKO/Submit the other fighter? If yes, you take them. If no, you don’t take the fighter.

    Does this make sense?

  • DontThrowPick6

    @th3goat84 said...

    Picking ‘Decision’ vs ‘Finish’ will not work and here is why:

    If there are at least 5 finishes on any given card, you will have had to selected those 5 fighters to win a top prize (depending on the salary) because more points are rewarded for finishes then if the fight goes to a decision….unless, the fighter throws high volume/significant strikes (think 5 round back and forth title fights or main event).

    If finishes, especially 1st rounds finishes are the key to taking down big money, it wouldn’t make sense to decide ‘decision’ or ‘finish’ because the current strategy is taking guys that finish fast not necessarily the most talented or technical fighters. Who the hell would take a fighter and think, “I think this goes to a decision…”. No, the only strategy in Draftkings MMA is to take a fighter based on one outcome: Can this fighter KO/TKO/Submit the other fighter? If yes, you take them. If no, you don’t take the fighter.

    Does this make sense?

    A little bit on the confusing side but we understand your point

  • 13nutz

    Best way is to have to rank your fighters 1-5. Your ranking is based on how your fighters do scoring wise.

    If you pick fighter x to be your top scorer you receive 5 bonus points.
    You could either get 5 bonus points for each or on a decline from 5-1.

  • cleanslate

    @13nutz said...

    Best way is to have to rank your fighters 1-5. Your ranking is based on how your fighters do scoring wise.

    If you pick fighter x to be your top scorer you receive 5 bonus points.
    You could either get 5 bonus points for each or on a decline from 5-1.

    Love this idea, this would break up ties tremendously. If not this specific solution, it needs to be something creative like this in order to work.

  • 13nutz

    Ill smoke some for weed and see if i can be more creative

  • bigloser11

    I rarely play mma.On very small gpps I won a little above the entry fee and felt like it was guess work more than skill.
    The background info is lacking, some of the fighters have no history posted etc.Maybe up the slate from 10 or 11 to a higher
    fighter count, if possible, or have it as a 2 week event? jm

  • NewMike

    @bigloser11 said...

    I rarely play mma.On very small gpps I won a little above the entry fee and felt like it was guess work more than skill.
    The background info is lacking, some of the fighters have no history posted etc.Maybe up the slate from 10 or 11 to a higher
    fighter count, if possible, or have it as a 2 week event? jm

    Definitely not a 2 week event. You min-cashed 1 GPP and think that it must just be luck? You could do that with any sport

  • bigloser11

    @NewMike said...

    Definitely not a 2 week event. You min-cashed 1 GPP and think that it must just be luck? You could do that with any sport

    Just saying if the slate was upped to 15 + fighters, it would create less chances of ties. The 2 week idea is weak clearly
    but the sport seems less fit for dfs than other sports.

  • NewMike

    Don’t think the UFC would change the number of fights to please DFS players, but you’re right about it not being the best sport to play DFS. But there is still thousands who like playing it and upping to 6 plays instead of 5 will reduce the amount of ties.

    If they made it 2 events, I would be much less likely to play, waiting 3-4 weeks for a DFS would be really annoying.

  • zelda3024

    @NewMike said...

    Don’t think the UFC would change the number of fights to please DFS players, but you’re right about it not being the best sport to play DFS. But there is still thousands who like playing it and upping to 6 plays instead of 5 will reduce the amount of ties.

    If they made it 2 events, I would be much less likely to play, waiting 3-4 weeks for a DFS would be really annoying.

    Yeah waiting that long would not be an option more people would walk away than would join. Could you imagine waiting in some contests a month for the payoff. 6 fighters would be fine. It would be nice if the UFC did go to 13 fights at least that way we would have a chance to see a 12 fight card. So many canceled bouts due to injury and even visa problems with fighters getting into USA.

    Like all ready for the 17th card Turdjillo has pulled out and there was only 11 fights now 10 unless they find a replacement for Dunham.

  • SunTszu

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    @zelda3024 said...

    Yeah waiting that long would not be an option more people would walk away than would join. Could you imagine waiting in some contests a month for the payoff. 6 fighters would be fine. It would be nice if the UFC did go to 13 fights at least that way we would have a chance to see a 12 fight card. So many canceled bouts due to injury and even visa problems with fighters getting into USA.

    Like all ready for the 17th card Turdjillo has pulled out and there was only 11 fights now 10 unless they find a replacement for Dunham.

    Thinking about it, I would have to concur that going to 6-fights may be the best solution. However, I do disagree and take some offense that “guess work” can win GPP’s. There is information somewhere about every professional fighter in either print or visual media. I once even had an article translated to get information on a fighter. I have only been active on Twitter for less than a year and the only reason I became active was the great resources Twitter provides on both MMA & DFS. I give major props to DK for developing MMA for DFS. I do understand that DFS MMA is the proverbial “red head stepchild’ to not only the major sports, but to PGA & NASCAR as well. However, there is hope for expanding DFS MMA. NY is now DFS friendly again and is potentially a huge market for MMA, especially, with the concurrent passing of allowing live events in NY. I will go out on a limb and forcast that there is likely more interest in MMA in NY (especially, NYC) versus NASCAR. Look at how quickly the GPP’s have been selling out since NY has come on line. By fight time, the GPP’s are already on the 3rd iteration of the contest. I would like to think that there will be enough continued interest to work towards a live qualifier event.

  • zelda3024

    I would love to see a live MMA Qualifier Event… It for sure will happen one day. We just got to keep letting DK know we all are interested. I totally agree with what Sun said about all the resources out there. It is up to us to find it to research it and then pick our fighters. Sometimes it works and sometimes no matter how hard we research fights they do not go our way… But that is the Beauty of MMA.

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