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  • WaveyCrockett

    I had been holding out hope that DraftKings’ NBA product wouldn’t be affected by the recent negative changes to their MLB offering, but these initial preseason slates have me super worried. The available contests are set up EXACTLY like the MLB contests have been, including the entry fees, prize structures, total entries, etc. The one positive for this NBA season is that late swap is back, but if the NBA contests are as terrible as MLB has been made to be, it’s going to be very difficult for the optimism of late swap’s return to stick around with me for very long. I personally don’t understand how things they’ve done to MLB help them make any more money in any way whatsoever. To let it be done to another non-NFL sport would be crazy to me, but early signs seem to point to just that.

    If the first four weeks of MLB contests during the NFL season are any indication, I guess we also might as well just go ahead now and cancel NBA DFS on Sundays to avoid the disappointment of being slapped in the face with horrific sets of contests each week. I will never quite understand why the NFL is so ridiculously popular in DFS, because I absolutely hate playing it (ironically, NFL football is my favorite sport outside DFS), but to each his own. However, there is absolutely NO reason for DraftKings purposely tanking all of the non-NFL contests so badly in false anticipation of almost no one playing those other sports. I’d be willing to bet a lot of people are just like me and don’t end up playing on Sundays because they either 1) see the terrible contests and don’t see the point of entering in the first place or 2) they can’t play because those terrible contests are too small and filling too early, so there’s nothing to enter. There are other ways to protect themselves against overlay.

    It seems to me maybe instead of running every single contest they run on all the other days, but with every numerical aspect drastically reduced, they could just cut the total amount of contests down and leave them all with a respectable setup. For example, instead of doing both the $3 AND $5 single entry contests, just do one of them and leave the structure as it always is. Or they could even split the difference throughout and just do one $4 single entry contest. It seems pretty simple to me. I guarantee there are hundreds of us here on Rotorinders that could do the job of whoever makes the decisions about what contests they put out, could do it ten times better and would make DraftKings plenty of additional money in the process. You would think they would come to us players more often to get advice on how to proceed with a lot of these things.

    I really see no rhyme or reason for a large percentage of the terrible choices they’ve made over the past 2-3 years. And a lot of the recent bad changes seem to be a result of some domino effect created by earlier bad decisions. I can’t say many of the decisions have turned out very positive for me, but I still prefer DraftKings over the competition in most ways as of right now. That preference is growing smaller and smaller by the season, though, so eventually I will take my play elsewhere if need be.

    Hopefully, I am completely wrong, NBA is just fine and it ends up being immune to the MLB changes. I am just curious as to others’ opinions on these things. Maybe I am the only one on Earth who feels this way, which would definitely not be the first time…lol

    Either way, I am thankful for being able to rant on Rotogrinders where readers can read my rant and then rant back for me to read and reply, as well as for being able to read other ranters ranting and reply back to them with a rant for them to read on Rotogrinders and rant to me in a reply and so on and so forth. High school English teacher teaching me alliteration, eat your heart out.

  • mike291md

    I feel like the MLB product was watered down the entire season. I only really play the quarter arcade so this pertains to that contest in particular. We went from regularly run $10,000 MLB contests to being lucky to get a contest over $5,000 this season.

    I hung in there with MLB for a while, holding out hope that maybe it was temporary, but towards the end I pretty much reduced my MLB volume to zero. Same will eventually happen with NBA if it reflects the same treatment because I just can’t justify hours of research to put a lineup together for a crappy prize pool.

    I love DFS but if the contest doesn’t feel worth putting in the work for, then what can you do? Good luck with sportsbetting, that seems to be what they really want to transition into as the DFS product gets downsized. We can only hope they learned from the mistakes made with managing of the DFS product over all these years.

    I’m not keeping my fingers crossed, though.

  • wolfjb1

    Good rant. I think it’s pretty simple – they pump their marketing, staffing, tech, etc., dollars and resources into NFL because it’s the most popular sport. They assume the pros who sustain the ecosystem – the guys who max-enter nearly everything – are spending Sundays focused on NFL. So every other sport suffers.

  • Pandamonious

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    A couple of things…NBA is WAY more popular than MLB. The contests will be bigger and as far back as I know always have been. I would suspect as the regular season gets going their big GPP will be the $8 with a 400-500K prize pool with either 50K or 100K to first. Hopefully 50K, as I prefer the flatter payout structure. As for their offerings I don’t know why they would change either.

    I don’t think the NBA contests on Sunday will be as bad as MLB, but they’ll definitely be smaller to start. I wish it wasn’t that way, but it’s 1 day a week for the first couple months of the season.

    I wouldn’t worry yet.

  • gaelicgirl

    Nice rant, there. My beef with DK is that they seem to cater to larger bankrolls, as evidenced by their lack of inexpensive SE contests. When it looked like DK was going to be the only major site to offer preseason NBA contests, I reluctantly put one entry into their $4 Four Point Play (even though it was 20-entry max). There was no way I was going to pay $12 to play their SE Finger Roll or $50 to play their SE Ankle Breaker.

    It was a relief when FD finally put up their preseason contests, and there were my old friends: the $2 SE Block and the $1 SE Dribbler. Hopefully they’ll bring back the $1 3-entry max Swat when the regular season starts. I requested a refund for almost all of my remaining balance on DK and will deposit it on FD later.

    Have to agree with wolfjb1’s point about every other sport suffering on Sundays because of both sites’ fixation on NFL.
    It already seemed odd that so many of last night’s NBA contest prizes were tickets for NFL contests. Then when I looked for SE NBA contests for today, the only one available was the $1 Dribbler. So I’ll have a whole dollar in play for a 4-game NBA slate…whoo hoo! I get that it’s only preseason and we’re about a quarter of the way into NFL season already (thank God!), but the relative crumbs offered to NBA fans kind of chaps my hide.

  • WaveyCrockett

    Thanks for the feedback everybody…I am really just glad I’m not the only one and now I can say “we” more often when I’m whining about it hahaha

    But seriously though, I won’t go into the other stuff again, since I pretty much got all my ranting out on those topics…but another thing I’ve noticed about DraftKings is that ever since they made the “awesome new change” where they restricted the large bankroll folks from entering lower entry contests, the contests have suffered badly as a whole…they are constantly changing them around by the day, too…but once in a while, they’ll put out a great one, except then they inch it right over the line…so either the total prize pool or the entry fee take it out of that restricted bracket, making the big dogs eligible for it…basically, they made a change to “help out the lower entry fee/smaller bankroll players”, but then began altering the contests constantly in a way that makes it completely irrelevant to begin with…so I just weigh my options and decide to either play for tiny prizes or risk losing all my bankroll chasing a bigger one against the pros with their trusty software and 150 tries…maybe they think small bankrolls mean small brains and we’re all too dumb to catch on, but who knows?

    I got so pumped when I saw there was a contest with a $15k top prize for NBA tomorrow, then I saw it was $5 and a $70k prize total, as well as 150 max…I don’t have any issues with any of those things by themselves, but all together it’s a problem…the combo of having to pay more per entry AND go against pros AND give them 150 bullets to my 10 or so is a big issue for me…I totally understand we aren’t getting a million dollar top prize on low entry fees without sharks or something crazy…but they could absolutely throw some contests out there with great structures that would be awesome to play in and do it without the sharks…it’s not like I’m scared of sharks when all is equal…I feel I’m just as good lineup vs lineup, at least on most days…but I’m not so completely devoid of common sense to where I think I could be anywhere near as good as them when going against them with a tiny fraction of their total lineup count…it’s just basic mathematics

    I truly think DraftKings is missing the points and missing opportunities to cater to both sides of their user base in a very positive way…I wish our feedback could get to someone who actually mattered and could at least give things a trial run, because I’ve seen with my own eyes that this stuff could work…hell, it WAS working, because I used to not have a single complaint about any of this stuff and contests were filling, prizes were great, etc etc…when they removed late swap, they tried to fix something that wasn’t broken, then kept tinkering with any and every aspect of everything until they ruined it all…a ton of us told them late swap for NBA was ridiculously crucial and now they’re finally agreeing and putting it back years later…I wish the same could be said about the other stuff…they could never make everyone totally happy, but they could absolutely make everyone happiER

  • WaveyCrockett

    @Pandamonious said...

    A couple of things…NBA is WAY more popular than MLB. The contests will be bigger and as far back as I know always have been. I would suspect as the regular season gets going their big GPP will be the $8 with a 400-500K prize pool with either 50K or 100K to first. Hopefully 50K, as I prefer the flatter payout structure. As for their offerings I don’t know why they would change either.

    I don’t think the NBA contests on Sunday will be as bad as MLB, but they’ll definitely be smaller to start. I wish it wasn’t that way, but it’s 1 day a week for the first couple months of the season.

    I wouldn’t worry yet.

    I am staying reasonably hopeful…personally, I just miss playing NBA for a $5-20k prize with $3-4 entries and not having to worry so much about the sharks because they had other contests they were much more interested in playing every slate…that was the same for just about every sport too, except NFL, which just swells and swells up with no end in sight…I personally don’t like beating 700,000 entries to win a dollar or two…but maybe I dreamed those good days up and I was never happy with DraftKings LOL…either way, it’s broken now hahaha

  • gaelicgirl

    @WaveyCrockett said...

    …but maybe I dreamed those good days up and I was never happy with DraftKings LOL

    Can you play on FD where you live? During regular season, they’ll have some SE contests for $1 or $2 that pay $800 – $1500 to first, depending on slate size. There’s just no getting away from 150-entry max if you want the bigger prizes.

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