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  • bhdevault

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    Just starting this thread as the old thread is sort of off topic. We are past that first drop now and these are pretty exciting.

    Now if I could just get something under 15,000 place in line to get one!

  • Felixxberg

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    First time this happened to me: For the Carbon, I didn’t even have a number. I got a pop up asking if I still wanted to buy, and then I got immediately redirected to the buying page. I guess my number in the queue was very very low. I got #2438.

    Then, for the Platinum, the opposite of what happened with Gretzky happened. I was just a little out, being 2537th in the queue, but I was able to buy one anyway (there were close to 300 left). I got very lucky and hit #149. Not below 100, but still.

    That’s 3 Osaka, 2 Biles and 2 Woods so far that I won. I now have 11 cards in my portfolio, with at least one of each athlete. My worst buy was a $550 Platinum Brady. It was a great deal when I bought it (lowest Carbon was $600), but prices started going down shortly after. I’ll try to just sell it at even money. At least it’s a # under 1000.

  • Felixxberg

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    @osuryanf said...

    On the Carbon I got #1999 for $180… which is the year he won the PGA Championship… was also POY that year

    then even better….

    I browsed the Platinum’s and sniped his birthday (#1230) AND his first major win / Masters win (#1997)… was also his first year being POY

    I love these tidbits. I bought Jeter #2626. I mentioned all reasons why this # is great in a previous post. Now we just need to find someone who’s as nerdy as you and I but has more money to buy them at a higher price!

  • osuryanf

    @Felixxberg said...

    I love these tidbits. I bought Jeter #2626. I mentioned all reasons why this # is great in a previous post. Now we just need to find someone who’s as nerdy as you and I but has more money to buy them at a higher price!

    I genuinely think the 1997 one is going to have massive value once people catch on… Tiger Woods is the GOAT and that’s hit 1st major win AND 1st Masters win..

    That one is a hidden gem for collectors. I’m ecstatic to have it and will hold it for years if need be.

  • bigez952

    @osuryanf said...

    I genuinely think the 1997 one is going to have massive value once people catch on… Tiger Woods is the GOAT and that’s hit 1st major win AND 1st Masters win..

    That one is a hidden gem for collectors. I’m ecstatic to have it and will hold it for years if need be.

    I agree that 1997 is a great number as its one of the very first that I thought of would be nice to have with his Masters win being so well known.

  • osuryanf

    @bigez952 said...

    I agree that 1997 is a great number as its one of the very first that I thought of would be nice to have with his Masters win being so well known.

    Agreed.. I won’t be listing that one cheap ever…

    I’m anxious to see if there’s any market for his birthday #1230… maybe, maybe not.. but I got it at a very fair price so if I hold onto it I’m also ok with that.

  • osuryanf

    If DK is serious about taking out bots/scripters then they definitely need to take a look at dcoder82 and bodymindsuccess

    @dcoder82 sniped #1 and #8 of the Tiger Carbon’s within milliseconds for pennies on the dollar.. literally has coder in his username I mean come on lol

    @bodymindsuccess sniped #1 and #2 of the Platinum Premier for $700 and $220.. We really think that’s a coincidence the same guy was able to snipe #1 and #2?

    Some of these guys aren’t even trying to hide it and that’s what bothers me.

    Felixbergg nailed it on a previous post. Getting lucky once is possible but extremely hard to do. Getting lucky twice is near impossible. Getting #1 and #2 of an NFT screams nefarious behavior.

  • bigez952

    @osuryanf said...

    If DK is serious about taking out bots/scripters then they definitely need to take a look at dcoder82 and bodymindsuccess

    @dcoder82 sniped #1 and #8 of the Tiger Carbon’s within milliseconds for pennies on the dollar.. literally has coder in his username I mean come on lol

    @bodymindsuccess sniped #1 and #2 of the Platinum Premier for $700 and $220.. We really think that’s a coincidence the same guy was able to snipe #1 and #2?

    Some of these guys aren’t even trying to hide it and that’s what bothers me.

    Felixbergg nailed it on a previous post. Getting lucky once is possible but extremely hard to do. Getting lucky twice is near impossible. Getting #1 and #2 of an NFT screams nefarious behavior.

    I used to watch the marketplace hoping to get lucky and see something priced super low but gave that up knowing it is impossible for a severe misprice to last more than 0.1 seconds before a bot grabs it. My fingers probably couldn’t beat a bot even if I did happen to see one pop up.

  • emnj69

    I have been ice cold I think yesterday I may have actually been last in the que on one of them
    must mean I am due for the number one signed ruby tiger lol

  • Felixxberg

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    @osuryanf said...

    Some of these guys aren’t even trying to hide it and that’s what bothers me.

    Felixbergg nailed it on a previous post. Getting lucky once is possible but extremely hard to do. Getting lucky twice is near impossible. Getting #1 and #2 of an NFT screams nefarious behavior.

    At this point, at least it seems like it’s not the same accounts anymore, but there’s a fair chance some of these are the same person.

    sweetbabynicco was the brightest of them all, getting 5/5 signed Brady cards and selling them all on the same day for a $80K profit. DK probably banned him, but there’s no prejudice for them, so they have no reason to sue him. The guy just made $80K in a day and no one will do anything about it. I wish I was that smart. nohitter_48 (twitter) did a pretty good job finding everyone who got more than one signed card.

    Now the bots buying mispriced cards is probably much easier to achieve, but it’s still impressive to be able to “hack” such a huge company. It’s just absolutely unfair, but we can’t really do anything about it except complaining and hoping DK does something about it.

  • Felixxberg

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    @emnj69 said...

    must mean I am due for the number one signed ruby tiger lol

    You never know! I was happy to grab a carbon Woods, but since I was redirected to the buying page without even seeing a queue number, I was kind of disappointed that the only time it happened was in a carbon drop. Pretty sure it means I would have won any drop.

  • Felixxberg

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    @osuryanf said...

    @dcoder82 sniped #1 and #8 of the Tiger Carbon’s within milliseconds for pennies on the dollar.. literally has coder in his username I mean come on lol

    He also bought a mispriced carbon Woods for $55 this morning at 9:02am and sold it $144 at 9:04am.

  • querb

    @osuryanf said...

    If DK is serious about taking out bots/scripters then they definitely need to take a look at dcoder82 and bodymindsuccess

    @dcoder82 sniped #1 and #8 of the Tiger Carbon’s within milliseconds for pennies on the dollar.. literally has coder in his username I mean come on lol

    @bodymindsuccess sniped #1 and #2 of the Platinum Premier for $700 and $220.. We really think that’s a coincidence the same guy was able to snipe #1 and #2?

    Some of these guys aren’t even trying to hide it and that’s what bothers me.

    Felixbergg nailed it on a previous post. Getting lucky once is possible but extremely hard to do. Getting lucky twice is near impossible. Getting #1 and #2 of an NFT screams nefarious behavior.

    i would love the DK rep to address this

  • osuryanf

    @Felixxberg said...

    He also bought a mispriced carbon Woods for $55 this morning at 9:02am and sold it $144 at 9:04am.

    Yeah, him and bodymindsuccess aren’t even trying to hide it. There’s literally a 0% chance that someone can snipe the highest misprices faster than anyone else WITHOUT using some type of script or bot. It’s insanely obvious.

    bodymindsuccess getting both the #1 AND #2 directly after their posted? Come on now….

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

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    Alright, I did my own research for the platinum Woods drop (would have been way too long to scroll all the way down for the carbon drop).

    bodymindsuccess bought:
    $75 #1491 at 4:01:42 PM, and resold it less than a minute later for $280
    $55 #1199 at 4:02:55 PM, and resold it a little more than two minutes later for $229
    $50 #1688 at 4:03:12 PM, and resold it less than a minute later for $250
    $700 #1 at 4:03:23 PM
    $60 #1358 at 4:07:22 PM, and resold it less than a minute later for $200
    $220 #2 at 4:08:36 PM

  • osuryanf

    I went through most of the carbon sales to see just how obvious dcoder was being.. Here’s a real gem for you

    3:09:11 Tiger #2549 sold by dcoder for $139

    but here’s where it gets interesting

    at 3:09:11 Tiger #4630 was listed for $50 and sold to dcoder

    At the exact same second he was able to sell #2549…. he was able to scoop the obviously mispriced $50 one posted..

    EXACT SECOND!

    I guess when you insta-scoop every one mispriced for $25-$75 by total coincidence that eventually one will sell at the exact second you’re scooping the next one

  • osuryanf

    Going through the logs yesterday actually makes me kind of sick seeing how many THOUSANDS of dollars this guy made yesterday… not to mention how many future thousand he’ll make with the high serial numbers he scooped and listed for several thousand dollars.

    It makes you wonder — why aren’t we all taking advantage of it? If this guy isn’t banned then I don’t know what else it will take.

  • emnj69

    great work on the investigations -we know the end result though sadly

  • ponzicrash

    Investigation? The market is designed for botters.

    You can easily stop behavior like this easily in a hundred different ways. The only question is who has the fastest bot and how they are doing it.

    Hate to say this, but when you allow behavior like this that is easily preventable it begs the question why you are allowing it.

    The only way to prevent questions of impropriety is to have a fair market for buyers and sellers.

    IMO these issues may undermine the value of this entire NFT operation if they aren’t straightened out.

  • osuryanf

    5 minute cool down after purchases during heavy traffic is a quick/easy fix.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

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    I spotted something else that’s weird. Not a bot/hack/leak or whatever, but just weird.

    cball86 bought 8 (!!) carbon Biles signed cards in two days a few weeks ago, all between $1165 and $1900. He then sold 3 of them in the last week for $800, $825 and $900. He basically bought them all at their peak and he’s now selling them at their lowest price point. I feel bad for him!

  • Felixxberg

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    He also bought 10 (!!) platinum, 2 emerald, 3 sapphire and 1 ruby! All Biles signed.

  • kbarnhill7523

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    @osuryanf said...

    5 minute cool down after purchases during heavy traffic is a quick/easy fix.

    This is what they do on heavy traffic times on TopShot and it works pretty well to combat the bots. they get a few, but not all of them.

  • osuryanf

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    This is what they do on heavy traffic times on TopShot and it works pretty well to combat the bots. they get a few, but not all of them.

    Agree. It will at least limit their ability to corner the market instead of giving them full reign.

    Right after a drop a 5, 10, or even 15 minute cool down makes a ton of sense for all involved.

    But in general I still think they need to crack down on bots/scripts to level the playing field otherwise the extreme majority of collectors are wasting their time.

  • bigez952

    A Tiger Carbon got sold for $14 today. How would you feel to be that guy to win a spot in the drop for a $12 carbon and sell it for a $0.10 loss lol.

  • kbarnhill7523

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    @osuryanf said...

    Agree. It will at least limit their ability to corner the market instead of giving them full reign.

    Right after a drop a 5, 10, or even 15 minute cool down makes a ton of sense for all involved.

    But in general I still think they need to crack down on bots/scripts to level the playing field otherwise the extreme majority of collectors are wasting their time.

    Keep in mind DK is making 15% on every transaction. The incentive for them is to get lots of transactions. Obv, we are the upper crust of the market for this. Most people don’t know, or care, enough to combat the bots.

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