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  • bhdevault

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    Just starting this thread as the old thread is sort of off topic. We are past that first drop now and these are pretty exciting.

    Now if I could just get something under 15,000 place in line to get one!

  • kbarnhill7523

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    @osuryanf said...

    Definitely doesn’t seem to be much interest in the marketplace today… I agree it is weird.. I was WAY off..

    I’m not mad I bought #381 Emerald for $380ish because I enjoy collecting these anyway…. but I definitely overpaid by a smooth $100 if not more had I waited another hour… ooof

    All of the unsigned ones will shoot up a bit after the autograph ones drop and normalize.

  • yisman

    1746 for me on the last one. By far my lowest. And we move on to Thursday.

  • jki7p6

    Not today i guess

  • bigez952

    @tristanwolf said...

    do you get in the waiting room asap when it opens 30 minutes before or just anytime before drop/ i’m sure it doesn’t matter but just curious.i get over 15,000 or worse every time lol.

    I usually get in about 15-20 minutes early on average. It was a crazy run with the Tigers as I was never close outside of winning 1 Emerald Osaka with the other athletes. For Tiger I picked up Carbon, Platinum and Emerald with a close call on Sapphire. Ruby my luck ran out with a 16,100 spot in line lol.

  • Felixxberg

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    Our favorite bots are back for Ruby cards!

    kempseys bought one for $515 and sold it 16 seconds later for $850.
    He also bought one for $775 and sold it 12 seconds later for $950.

    redeemedwarriors bought one for $500 and sold it 46 seconds later for $1.1K.
    He also bought #1 for $500.

    dcoder82 bought one for $100 (seriously, how dumb do you have to be to sell it for $100…) and sold it less than two minutes later for $869.
    He also bought one for $500 and sold it 54 seconds later for $844.

    It’s laughable at this point.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

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    bodymindsuccess bought Tom Brady carbon #3/5000 for $500…

  • realphipps

    A friend of mine is convinced this is one big SEC investigation waiting to happen. The clear and obvious market manipulation is borderline shocking and a lot of noise is being generated.

    I’d still like to get one and flip it. And I still think this will all be dead in the water rather quickly with the lack of oversight/governing body combined with a marketplace that not only encourages cheating, but does so at the cost of the pool of buyers this market greatly needs for any kind of sustainability, the everyday nine-to-fiver fan willing to invest in a niche collectible.

    DK’s complete and unquestioned tolerance of the manipulation of their marketplace will ultimately kill that very market.

    Just my opinion.

  • ponzicrash

    No one seems to understand the biggest issue with everything going on here.

    Who would most easily be able to manipulate the lotteries or market?

    The only way to preempt that question is by having a fair system for those in the lottery and buyers/sellers.

  • bhdevault

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    Seriously, some of you guys must be pretty new to the NFT space.

    Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology. Some choose to blame the system, some choose to be so jealous they fabricate stories about it. I simply choose to accept those guys are ahead of me in this game. Think about it, if you have the big brains to do what they do, you would as well. Life isn’t always fair, especially when it comes to this kind of money.

  • realphipps

    So the system in place is normal? Good? And healthy for the sustainability of DK Marketplace?

  • Cornhusker68727

    @bhdevault said...

    Seriously, some of you guys must be pretty new to the NFT space.

    Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology. Some choose to blame the system, some choose to be so jealous they fabricate stories about it. I simply choose to accept those guys are ahead of me in this game. Think about it, if you have the big brains to do what they do, you would as well. Life isn’t always fair, especially when it comes to this kind of money.

    Wow! 🙄 This guy really doesn’t get it.

  • osuryanf

    @bhdevault said...

    Seriously, some of you guys must be pretty new to the NFT space.

    Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology. Some choose to blame the system, some choose to be so jealous they fabricate stories about it. I simply choose to accept those guys are ahead of me in this game. Think about it, if you have the big brains to do what they do, you would as well. Life isn’t always fair, especially when it comes to this kind of money.

    This is quite an odd response. Using bots/scripts isn’t allowed, but instead you’re congratulating them on being plain smarter than the average guy with technology?

    Strange take. Especially coming from a moderator on this forum who you would think would be a voice of reason, not one to openly condone cheating in any realm.

  • osuryanf

    @realphipps said...

    DK’s complete and unquestioned tolerance of the manipulation of their marketplace will ultimately kill that very market.

    I own several of these NFT’s and even I am scared that this market could crash quickly if the SEC ever tries to get involved.

    It’s not hard to realize who the bot users/scripters are. If the average NFT collector can spot it immediately, then one would think the company would be able to spot it even faster. The problem is — nothing is being done about it. That speaks volumes. We continue to see the same names over and over scoop all the mispriced NFT’s and make money hand over foot with nothing being done about it.

    There’s 3 things that make sense here.

    1.) Either the scripters get banned / heavily fined for what they’re doing

    2.) 15-30 minute cool down on purchases after drops. This won’t fix the problem but at least trend in the right direction.

    3.) DK creates a script that literally everyone can use.

    Market manipulation by a select few has impending lawsuits written alllllllllllllllllll over it.

  • osuryanf

    @bhdevault said...

    Seriously, some of you guys must be pretty new to the NFT space.

    Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology. Some choose to blame the system, some choose to be so jealous they fabricate stories about it. I simply choose to accept those guys are ahead of me in this game. Think about it, if you have the big brains to do what they do, you would as well. Life isn’t always fair, especially when it comes to this kind of money.

    Since you’re such a stickler on this forum on rules, let me show you the rules Draftkings has on their Terms of Service and see if that alters your perspective on this matter.

    “In addition, conduct that would be deemed improper also includes, but is not limited to:

    • Using automated means (including but not limited to scripts and third-party tools) to interact with the Website in any way
    • Using automated means (including but not limited to harvesting bots, robots, parser, spiders or screen scrapers) to obtain, collect or access any information on the Website or of any User for any purpose.

    Users further acknowledge that the forfeiture and/or return of any prize shall in no way prevent DraftKings from pursuing criminal or civil proceedings in connection with such conduct.”

    You think that applies to what we’re discussing here?

  • bhdevault

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    I’m heavily into the NFT space. I spend a ton of time each day buying and selling them. Of course I’m jealous these guys have figured out ways to get around the ‘rules’. However, I don’t sit on message boards complaining about it. That’s just me.

    As far as moderating a forum, I definitely am a ‘stickler’ of the rules, but when it comes to our forum rules. How DK handles their business is not under my jurisdiction. With that said, I do know plenty of guys who deal in NFT’s that do not use ‘automated scripts’ and still are doing very very well. These guys just sit around all day pressing ‘F5’ on things they are interested in. There is a chance some of the accused ‘botters’ are those type of guys, no?

    Basically as far as the DK drops, I waited in line, didn’t get a good spot in line, so I moved on. Paying huge marketplace markup prices does not interest me in these so I choose not to participate.

  • osuryanf

    @bhdevault said...

    I’m heavily into the NFT space. I spend a ton of time each day buying and selling them. Of course I’m jealous these guys have figured out ways to get around the ‘rules’. However, I don’t sit on message boards complaining about it. That’s just me.

    As far as moderating a forum, I definitely am a ‘stickler’ of the rules, but when it comes to our forum rules. How DK handles their business is not under my jurisdiction. With that said, I do know plenty of guys who deal in NFT’s that do not use ‘automated scripts’ and still are doing very very well. These guys just sit around all day pressing ‘F5’ on things they are interested in. There is a chance some of the accused ‘botters’ are those type of guys, no?

    Basically as far as the DK drops, I waited in line, didn’t get a good spot in line, so I moved on. Paying huge marketplace markup prices does not interest me in these so I choose not to participate.

    It is a forum. Forums include people discussing all things involved with whatever the topic may be. This topic involves NFT’s. A huge part (and concern) of NFT’s is market manipulation and what’s being done (or not done) to those cheating the system. If there’s money involved that makes it more likely that people are discussing it (or in your words complaining about it).

    This forum has tons of people ‘complaining’ when rules are openly being broken on DK/FD/any DFS site. Is that what you say to them? When people use multi-accounts to circumvent the rules and gain and edge do you still have the same stance? That it stinks they’re not as smart as the next guy and there’s no reason to complain about it on a forum?

    You don’t have to sit and complain about it because you’re obviously not well educated on the subject to begin with. But acting like people don’t have a right to discuss it ON A FORUM is an extremely strange stance coming from a moderator.

  • osuryanf

    fo·rum

    1. a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

    Posting this for whoever reads these messages and refrains from posting their stance on the subject. It is a forum. You have every right to speak your mind on a subject.

  • realphipps

    Multiple transactions in the exact same second.

    Guess that’s a Shift + F5 function? Or do you have to press CTRL as well?

  • emnj69

    @bhdevault said...

    Seriously, some of you guys must be pretty new to the NFT space.

    Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology. Some choose to blame the system, some choose to be so jealous they fabricate stories about it. I simply choose to accept those guys are ahead of me in this game. Think about it, if you have the big brains to do what they do, you would as well. Life isn’t always fair, especially when it comes to this kind of money.

    and you seriously are out of your mind

  • emnj69

    @bhdevault said...

    I’m heavily into the NFT space. I spend a ton of time each day buying and selling them. Of course I’m jealous these guys have figured out ways to get around the ‘rules’. However, I don’t sit on message boards complaining about it. That’s just me.

    As far as moderating a forum, I definitely am a ‘stickler’ of the rules, but when it comes to our forum rules. How DK handles their business is not under my jurisdiction. With that said, I do know plenty of guys who deal in NFT’s that do not use ‘automated scripts’ and still are doing very very well. These guys just sit around all day pressing ‘F5’ on things they are interested in. There is a chance some of the accused ‘botters’ are those type of guys, no?

    Basically as far as the DK drops, I waited in line, didn’t get a good spot in line, so I moved on. Paying huge marketplace markup prices does not interest me in these so I choose not to participate.

    you know what is worse than guys complaining about people breaking the established standards for NFTS in an actual thread about NFTS ? a guy that complains about peopling complaining

  • emnj69

    @osuryanf said...

    This is quite an odd response. Using bots/scripts isn’t allowed, but instead you’re congratulating them on being plain smarter than the average guy with technology?

    Strange take. Especially coming from a moderator on this forum who you would think would be a voice of reason, not one to openly condone cheating in any realm.

    I bet he thinks insider trading is okay too-just guys that are using the knowledge they have …..

  • bhdevault

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    • Blogger of the Month

    @osuryanf said...

    It is a forum. Forums include people discussing all things involved with whatever the topic may be. This topic involves NFT’s. A huge part (and concern) of NFT’s is market manipulation and what’s being done (or not done) to those cheating the system. If there’s money involved that makes it more likely that people are discussing it (or in your words complaining about it).

    This forum has tons of people ‘complaining’ when rules are openly being broken on DK/FD/any DFS site. Is that what you say to them? When people use multi-accounts to circumvent the rules and gain and edge do you still have the same stance? That it stinks they’re not as smart as the next guy and there’s no reason to complain about it on a forum?

    You don’t have to sit and complain about it because you’re obviously not well educated on the subject to begin with. But acting like people don’t have a right to discuss it ON A FORUM is an extremely strange stance coming from a moderator.

    Question.

    Did I discipline anyone on this forum for posting here? I have not reached out, deleted or edited any posts in this topic. As a moderator of this forum, no rules have been broken.

    I will admit, posting here as an RG moderator probably wasn’t the best idea as I was posting as me, not a moderator, yet that can easily be confused. That’s my fault and for some odd reason I forgot this morning when posting how anytime any representative of RG posts, people just explode on them. Hence why we don’t post much. I was posting more of the NFT guy that I’ve become and this type of stuff is rampant in the NFT world as guys way more sophisticated than I am are just cleaning house and making life changing money by flipping NFT’s. Whether by automating or by manually doing it.

    As far as not being well educated on it, you have zero idea on that part. I’m very educated on this subject as I’ve been fully emersed in the NFT world for almost a year now. I do know there are people out there using bots, scripts, etc.. There are also many successful people not using these ‘cheats’ to do very well.

    Just keep in mind, I have zero problem with you guys discussing this here. I do have a problem with the mob mentality of ‘everyone having success’ is cheating. I personally have my trust that DK does everything they can, legally, to investigate and counter these problems. It took Top Shots almost 4 months to figure out the best ways to stop it. Give DK a chance.

    Edited: You are 100% correct the more I think about it, this is why this forum is here, for people to talk about issues. I probably should have just kept my comment to myself, I apologize sincerely.

  • osuryanf

    @bhdevault said...

    Just keep in mind, I have zero problem with you guys discussing this here. I do have a problem with the mob mentality of ‘everyone having success’ is cheating. I personally have my trust that DK does everything they can, legally, to investigate and counter these problems. It took Top Shots almost 4 months to figure out the best ways to stop it. Give DK a chance.

    If you have no problem with us discussing it then you wouldn’t have posted, “Keep in mind there are many ‘players’ out there making millions flipping NFT’s and they are just plain smarter than the average guy with technology.”

    Being a moderator comes with added scrutiny and expectation. That’s common knowledge. And that’s also why a moderator essentially complaining about posters being mad about obvious cheating/circumventing of rules is more baffling than if a regular user posted it.

    Just because someone has an edge doesn’t mean it’s right. Nor does it mean it’s legal. And it definitely doesn’t stop individuals from discussing that matter on an open forum.

  • realphipps

    To be fair, the subject was NFTs. And we were discussing NFTs. And you were the one, regardless of title, who choose to portray the cheaters of the system as

    A.) smarter than us
    B.) objects of our envy
    C.) scapegoats for lack of success

    What did you expect the response to be, regardless of title?

    Using “I’m a RG mod” as a crutch is weak. Your initial reply, that drew the responses it did, was snide in every sense of the word, regardless of rank/screenname/avatar or anything else.

    Now, let’s get back to watching these bots establish the market in a fair and honest manner.

  • ponzicrash

    It doesn’t matter if honest smart people are making millions with other bullshit NFTs or if some other dumpster fire of a market also didn’t have their shit together.

    Also, I’m not even necessarily against scripting. You just have to create a market where your customers aren’t being taken advantage of by the scripting.

    Should someone be able to sell something for $1 that is worth thousands?

    They are doing everything they can? They don’t have have a bid/ask which prevents 90% of these issues.

    I’m not super sophisticated with scripting, but my guess is that you can go create a script that buys below $X and you still will get nothing. There is likely more going on here than that and some don’t seem to understand that. Speed is key here. What is allowing the people who are buying these every time to be faster than other automated programs?

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