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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

  • Cal

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    I’m talking with Ethan at DraftKings about this now. He’s going to post about this soon – I’m going to lock this until he does.

    From what I gather he posted it by accident. He had access to the macro percent owned data in the milly maker so that he could write this article.

    10/3 Edit: There is a narrative running on Twitter that Ethan had access to this data before lineups locked and used it to play on Fanduel. From what I’m told he received the ownership report well after lineups locked on Fanduel. There is plenty of merit in a debate about site employees playing on different sites, but we need to base that debate in reality. Ethan was not using this data to pick his week 3 teams on Fanduel, he was writing about this data for DK Playbook after his week 3 teams on Fanduel had already locked.

  • Ethan

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    Hi All,
    As Cal mentioned – this was published in error originally by myself. I’ve fixed the error and we’ll be putting checks in place to make sure it doesn’t happen again. As Cal mentioned, I was the only person with this data and as a DK employee, am not allowed to play on site. 100% my fault and I apologize for any issues.

    Ethan

  • DreSmithGaming

    kinda ridiculous

  • LSRDustin

    Given the past day’s events, feels like it should be discussed more.

  • traction

    I would love to see the dfs sites take ownership of this and come out with systems and procedures to prevent this. While the data leak is a concern the bigger issue is employees having insight into the data and using that inside information to their benefit on the other sites where they can play as a player.

    I am surprised that this is allowed in the first place. As protective about player data that Pokerstars is I wonder if they have those same systems in place for Starsdraft. I would venture to guess they do but I’m not sure. Draftkings clearly doesn’t but has the opportunity here to put in place a system that does not allow employees to see player lineups and use that info for their own personal gain at other sites such as FD or Starsdraft or wherever.

    Though this is not on the scale of the UB superuser keep in mind that was only discovered by a data leak of an employee. I hope this data leak turns out to be a good change and creates widespread industry change. If it doesn’t it will end badly and guarantee regulation and governmental scrutiny after someone gets hurt. No nio nio please.

  • kbn121

    So we’re just supposed to trust dk ownership that this will never happen again and that he was the only person with access to the data??? You understand why people will be skeptical, right??

  • jmo26

    @LSRDustin said...

    Given the past day’s events, feels like it should be discussed more.

    What events?

  • Cal

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    @traction said...

    I would love to see the dfs sites take ownership of this and come out with systems and procedures to prevent this. While the data leak is a concern the bigger issue is employees having insight into the data and using that inside information to their benefit on the other sites where they can play as a player.

    I am surprised that this is allowed in the first place. As protective about player data that Pokerstars is I wonder if they have those same systems in place for Starsdraft. I would venture to guess they do but I’m not sure. Draftkings clearly doesn’t but has the opportunity here to put in place a system that does not allow employees to see player lineups and use that info for their own personal gain at other sites such as FD or Starsdraft or wherever.

    Though this is not on the scale of the UB superuser keep in mind that was only discovered by a data leak of an employee. I hope this data leak turns out to be a good change and creates widespread industry change. If it doesn’t it will end badly and guarantee regulation and governmental scrutiny after someone gets hurt. No nio nio please.

    Traction, I think you make a lot of good points here, but I also get the sense that you are writing this under the assumption that the data Ethan received was used to help him create his Fanduel lineups. He received the DraftKings ownership data after lineups locked so that he could write the DK Playbook Ownership Percentages article. He could not use this data to help with his teams on Fanduel because Fanduel lineups had already locked. On a late-swap site the controversy would have more merit.

    That said, I think we all agree that this never should have happened and that DK should be more careful with that data. The ownership article is not that important and the perception of impropriety can be just as damaging as actual impropriety.

    There’s an issue that has been brought to light and should be discussed. Players will want more information about and reassurance that rogue employees can’t access player owned data to use on other sites. But this discussion shouldn’t be made under the assumption that Ethan cheated to create his Fanduel teams. He was just doing his job – writing a DK Playbook article about Percent Owned with information he received after the Fanduel lineups were already locked.

  • traction

    Cal,
    Yes I was under that assumption. I only now saw that from what your were told, the lineup was locked prior to receiving that data.

    That being said you are correct that now is a good time for more industry transparency into which employees have access to player owned data and what steps the companies are taking to prevent the use of that data for personal gain. Too many of us still have burn marks from the poker scandals because lack of transparency.

  • MuchaTheKing

    That’s what you were TOLD though. Come on man – we don’t know when he really got access to the ownerships. Way too sketchy to just write off as a non-possibility, and I think we would probably be receiving the same response whether he actually had earlier access and used them to his advantage or not.

    It’s very hard to believe that getting 2nd place in that tournament right after that is just a coincidence – but it could be. Frankly, I think he cheated, as most people probably do. However, this should not be about Ethan though – this puts the whole industry into question.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Cal said...

    Traction, I think you make a lot of good points here, but I also get the sense that you are writing this under the assumption that the data Ethan received was used to help him create his Fanduel lineups. He received the DraftKings ownership data after lineups locked so that he could write the DK Playbook Ownership Percentages article. He could not use this data to help with his teams on Fanduel because Fanduel lineups had already locked. On a late-swap site the controversy would have more merit.

    That said, I think we all agree that this never should have happened and that DK should be more careful with that data. The ownership article is not that important and the perception of impropriety can be just as damaging as actual impropriety.

    There’s an issue that has been brought to light and should be discussed. Players will want more information about and reassurance that rogue employees can’t access player owned data to use on other sites. But this discussion shouldn’t be made under the assumption that Ethan cheated to create his Fanduel teams. He was just doing his job – writing a DK Playbook article about Percent Owned with information he received after the Fanduel lineups were already locked.

    How did Ethan do on his Fanduel lineups. Full disclosure please

  • MuchaTheKing

    He got 2nd out of 230,000 in last week’s tournament LOL. $350,000.

  • rainbowtroutman

    Oh — Right after I typed my post,I saw the post where he came in 2nd. I guess that IS full disclosure

  • MuchaTheKing

    The ownerships across his lineup were all within a 4% difference between FD and DK except Seattle’s D – which was 8%.

  • brian_dmx

    Wow, just wow. smh

  • MuchaTheKing

    I agree, I just don’t see a way the government could get involved right now based on circumstantial evidence. DK could be investigating right now though, so there is a possibility more info comes out.

  • traction

    The government won’t/can’t get involved in this particular instance. But it can create a unsettling picture of dfs which then will bring the watchful eye of governmental regulation. Which honestly, I’m not opposed to as much as I used to be.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @traction said...

    The government won’t/can’t get involved in this particular instance. But it can create a unsettling picture of dfs which then will bring the watchful eye of governmental regulation. Which honestly I not opposed to as much as I used to be.

    I agree ,this is what I meant—Numerous state AG’s are waiting and watching and I feel they will act soon. All the advertising the sites have done,are bringing new customers and also watchful big brother.

  • shocae

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    Damn…if you check his rotogrinders profile, he’s been killing tournaments the past 2 months.

  • DyingToLive

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    Damn…if you check his rotogrinders profile, he’s been killing tournaments the past 2 months.

    I guess, recently..However, how many of those times has he had simular instances with these revealed ownership insites? Everything about the legitmacy of him is up in the air at this point.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @DyingToLive said...

    I guess, recently..However, how many of those times has he had simular instances with these revealed ownership insites? Everything about the legitmacy of him is up in the air at this point.

    The legitimacy of him doesn’t really matter anymore—He has the cash

  • traction

    @Cal said...

    10/3 Edit: There is a narrative running on Twitter that Ethan had access to this data before lineups locked and used it to play on Fanduel. From what I’m told he received the ownership report well after lineups locked on Fanduel.

    Just to confirm… you were told by independent sources with no company affiliation right?

  • stoptheinsanity

    A few weeks ago a DK Pro said something about how an average player knowing and using ownership percentages could be very profitable. I agreed with the statement then and I still do now. Thing is we have no idea how many people actually see these percentages prior to lock. And there is really nothing illegal about it currently. Just extremely shady.

  • bripc23

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    We need clarification on what “this will never happen again” means. Does it mean that the report cannot be shared publicly again before lock or that no DK employee can view them at any time before lock (the better thing)?

  • walterg55

    @MuchaTheKing said...

    I agree, I just don’t see a way the government could get involved right now based on circumstantial evidence. DK could be investigating right now though, so there is a possibility more info comes out.

    So we have DK possibly investigating. That gives me a real sense of comfort here (sarcasm completely and fully intended).

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