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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • realdeals

    @pmsimkins said...

    Do you really think that those changes aren’t predictable? Even if a person had zero knowledge or common sense the talking heads on TV are pointing those situations out every 5 minutes.

    There are a lot of issues in this industry, contest size, pay structure, ridiculous advertising and rake to name a few. It’d be so much more worthwhile if all this energy was invested there instead of tin foil hat BS.

    What changes? Let me spell it out for you one last time. If I knew black unicorn was only 14.5% after Cutler was announced as starting I would have had him in 80% of my LUs vice 40%. I don’t know if Ethan used it to his adv, but to say there’s no adv in knowing precise %s is beyond me how some of you don’t understand this.
    I find it hard to believe you use math in your profession.

  • Frickman81

    You guys just keep running in circles. What else is there to be said at this point. Take a deep breath, go make a baby so you have something more important then to keep posting the same shit over and over. Nothing is going to change at this point

  • Chad32676

    The rich get richer.

  • MastodonsOfStrength

    im pretty sure the issue most people have w/ this is that there seems to be no structure around these organizations.

    Im not sure why people are posting things like this.

    Money + Gambling = Funny Business

    If DK and FD had their stuff in order none of this would have happened.

  • ascole28

    @Ryazan said...

    no one got rich over cheating. You can’t “cheat” in DFS because the players you pick still have to go off and kill it for you. If i copied Maxdalury’s lineup this past weekend in my Fanduel double ups, i dont think i would even cash cuz last i checked, he was out of the money. I cashed with my own lineups though.

    SOOOOOOOO many people care about what OTHERS are doing. Care about YOURSELF, and you will win.

    DK has confirmed no inside information was traded. Now stop talking about it and worry about making a good lineup. The things some of you people worry about amazes me – WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF, and you will make money with this. Worry about others, and you will turn into someone who b*tches too much

    On a different Multi-Entry note, I looked at the Data from this weekends Milly Maker. Itdid not go well for Maxdalury. He cashed 9/500 (unless I messed something up in excel)

  • gaelicgirl

    @Ryazan said...

    it’s a free country and I will speak out to silence those that have no idea what they are talking about.

    Because that’s what happens in a free country, right?
    “If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in silencing the one than the one – if he had the power – would be justified in silencing mankind.”
    John Stuart Mill

  • Ryazan

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    @MikeMineo said...

    Ryazan, there’s a big difference between having an inside edge with data as opposed to having a magical lineup that automatically wins; no one’s saying he had the latter, nor are they saying that ownership data is ALL one needs to win a big GPP. but that doesn’t take away from the point that having ANY semblance of this data provides an edge not available to the public, especially in MLB. if this option is available, then it’s just the tip of the iceberg in what types of data that can be obtained by FD/DK employees.

    it would make sense to care about yourself only if you were playing against yourself, but considering that you’re up against tens of thousands each night, what THEY’RE doing is important as well. “care about yourself and you will win” sounds like a cheesy line off one of those get-rich-quick ’90s infomercials. it’s not that simple.

    Volkswagen also said they didn’t cheat on their emissions test before a third-party discovered otherwise. now they’re being fined billions. can’t say I trust internal investigations, and anyone relatively aware of these types of occurrences in the news shouldn’t either.

    DK has come out and said no data was available before 1pm, so everything people say after that are baseless accusations. You can use the example that they can take the data to another late-swap site, but some data is irrelevant data. and knowing how many people have a player on DK is irrelevant to playing on other sites. A winning player doesn’t select players based on ownership %, they select players based on WHO THEY WANT ON THEIR TEAM.

    I won the Fanduel Boston Live Final. I had several players that only I had. I had Ian Desmond because he was hot as hell, and no one else had him. I did not take him because i thought he would be low owned. I had Melky Cabrera for the same reason. And same goes for Cano (1 other person had him though i think).

    When picking players for your team, it is a LOSERS MENTALITY to pick them based off of ownership %s, as opposed to what you know and the research you have done, so in my logical mind, this doesn’t even count as Data. It’s just a fun little stat to look at.

    Too many people rely on others to tell them how to win, and they don’t bother to figure out themselves how to win, and thus there is so much anger over a TECHNICAL ERROR that DK made that has been explained, and now there are so many accusations and theories, its embarrasing – alot of you guys are making casual DFS players look like jealous entitled people

  • hustlemania83

    @iSplashRollz said...

    Are Dinkpiece,Draftcheat, STL, and the other major winning players who ARE saying it’s a big deal not being logical? You’re hell bent on saying it’s “losing jealous players” who are doing all the complaining

    Yeah I’ve never heard of ryazan, definitely not some pro anyone wants to hear from…

  • MikeMineo

    lol @ the words “free country” and “silence those” being in the same sentence sincerely

  • letterj007

    Why is ESPN pulling all DK references during their pre-game show?? Why is DK not forthcoming with the info to prove nothing untoward happened at any time??

  • y2mulder

    @Frickman81 said...

    You guys just keep running in circles. What else is there to be said at this point. Take a deep breath, go make a baby so you have something more important then to keep posting the same shit over and over. Nothing is going to change at this point

    That sounds so much more expensive.

  • phillygamecox

    @Ryazan said...

    yea, it’s a strategy to win money – more people should try it instead of complaining about those who use it successfully lol

    baseball, while insane with variance, can be profitable if you have the bankroll and are playing an insane amount of lineups—all it takes is one random lineup to cash big and you make up for all the losses. Heck, stack all 30 teams each night 4 different ways in a $3 moonshot and hope and pray 1 of those lineups catch fire. My only #1 finish in a large GPP was a random Tigers stack who all were insanely low owned wrapped around major chalks like Donaldson. That was the night of like the 4 hour Cubs/Tigers rain delay and I played it because I thought some folks would be off the game. The Tigers score a bunch of runs, Anthony Gose randomly hits a HR, and my chalky guy Donaldson has 40 points. Just really throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks. So, while I’m not taking any side – again, if you play enough lineups, you can absolutely crack the top 5% consistently in baseball which I think some people are missing. Just depends on your bankroll which unfortunately for me usually limits me to $3, $1 GPPs. :)

  • ckamins87

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    @MikeMineo said...

    Ryazan, there’s a big difference between having an inside edge with data as opposed to having a magical lineup that automatically wins; no one’s saying he had the latter, nor are they saying that ownership data is ALL one needs to win a big GPP. but that doesn’t take away from the point that having ANY semblance of this data provides an edge not available to the public, especially in MLB. if this option is available, then it’s just the tip of the iceberg in what types of data that can be obtained by FD/DK employees.

    Have you ever considered the fact that even IF he had ownership levels on DK for mlb prior to lock, that it would not help much on Fanduel? There are two pitchers on DK, multiple positional eligibility on DK, and completely different pricing. These will heavily change ownership levels between the sites. Without having any knowledge of ownership on the slate, you can gauge ownership levels qualitatively with common sense. Since they play everyday, players tend to have ownership levels that stay consistent or trend in a certain direction as performance fluctuates. Really good or bad opposing pictures also change things on a day-to-day basis, but if knowing ownership level is your goal, it can be tracked daily and forecasted accordingly. The ownership levels quantitatively are very different between the two sites, but generally qualitatively they will be close barring some pricing error. And you don’t need extra data to know who will qualitatively be high or low owned.

  • djcarr

    Between this situation and the recent cancelation of a guaranteed MMA tourney (simple refund of entry and not paying legit winners), I’m thinking it is time for us to all think about moving to a smaller site. We could quickly make one site a real competitor with large guaranteed prize pools. Which site would be best?

  • rsigler65

    @chaseharrell said...

    Ever heard of covering up? It would be extremely obvious if all of his lineups did well. So why wouldn’t he just do a few crap lineups knowing he was a huge advantage with his “good lineups” to make up for them?

    Ha! Really ridiculous! Or was that a joke? Extreme silliness…

  • MikeMineo

    Ryazan I guess we’ll agree to disagree that MLB ownership % is a big edge or not. It’s difficult to come to an objectively true conclusion, but if you don’t want to listen to me then others like dc, stlcards, and dink would prob love to talk about the edge that knowing ownership would provide in a MLB gpp

    Just because you had personal success without paying ownership no mind is not proof that it’s pointless. Since you’re a great player I could only imagine your success if you actually paid ownership any mind. I think you would do even better

  • Ryazan

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    @ascole28 said...

    On a different Multi-Entry note, I looked at the Data from this weekends Milly Maker. Itdid not go well for Maxdalury. He cashed 9/500 (unless I messed something up in excel)

    you see, automatically, i think anyone who cares about the data behind other peoples winning or losing, they need to focus on THEIR data. It could not matter any less to me how many pros win hundreds of thousands of dollars this past weekend from NFL. NOT ONE BIT. The only thing that matters to ME, is that I won. And I did. there is no jealousy, or resentment on my part. I dont care what techniques or strategies the big pros used. I dont care if they predicted ownership %s of players. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. This is exactly what I do, and I win because of it. I don’t win because I download CSV files of MaxDalury’s tournament entries.

  • hustlemania83

    @pburghpens22 said...

    The field report gives us an idea of what ownership percentages are going to be for Sunday…..so we have the same kind of information to be successful….I love playing DFS and hate that it’s getting shown in a bad spotlight

    There is no field report for baseball…the sport in which ethan and petrgibbons could(and did) profit the most with their insider information.

  • gje627

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Because that’s what happens in a free country, right?
    “If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in silencing the one than the one – if he had the power – would be justified in silencing mankind.”
    John Stuart Mill

    Seriously? Another John Stuart Mill fan in this thread :)

    “In all intellectual debates, both sides tend to be correct in what they affirm, and wrong in what they deny.”
    ~John Stuart Mill

  • dangerb407

    @MikeMineo said...

    if someone wants to compile his # of entries in each of the 22 contests and post them, I’d be happy to admit I was wrong in my assumption of cheating if he is genuinely putting in 100+ lineups into these contests. in that case he’s just an AMAZING DFS player – with the best run I’ve ever seen – who probably didn’t use inside information he very likely had access to, if he WANTED to use it (I would; it’s not illegal, after all – THIS is the main point).

    but I still don’t know if he did so well on paper due to massive multi-entering or not. a mass multi-entry strategy would make the run somewhat feasible, but until i know that to be the approach it’s hard for me to simply trust someone i’ve never met, especially when his reputation is not that of a multi-entry guy.

    I guess he just shifted his playing philosophy recently since he was never really a max entry guy.

    Why is 100+ a magical number?

  • stoptheinsanity

    @MikeMineo said...

    lol @ the words “free country” and “silence those” being in the same sentence sincerely

    LOL. I have to admit that was one of the more ridiculous things I have read in this thread. And we all know how ridiculous the thread has been.

  • Blitzquick

    What’s going to stop these employees from just telling their buddy when they get home these percentages and splitting the winnings together and he doesn’t even have to play.

  • rsigler65

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    I am just a casual player,but I noticed that everyone that says what you just did,is very highly ranked. I guess its just the fear of the gravy train being over or very different in the future. No offense intended,just an observation I made. Everyone saying this is no big deal has high rankings.

    I think it may have something to do with experience and general understanding of the industry. I’m not claiming I have that – I’m kind of new (2 years), but I’m also older. Who knows…also, I can’t really tell what statement you are referring to from your post, so I’ll STFU :)

  • MikeMineo

    @ckamins87 said...

    Have you ever considered the fact that even IF he had ownership levels on DK for mlb prior to lock, that it would not help much on Fanduel? There are two pitchers on DK, multiple positional eligibility on DK, and completely different pricing. These will heavily change ownership levels between the sites. Without having any knowledge of ownership on the slate, you can gauge ownership levels qualitatively with common sense. Since they play everyday, players tend to have ownership levels that stay consistent or trend in a certain direction as performance fluctuates. Really good or bad opposing pictures also change things on a day-to-day basis, but if knowing ownership level is your goal, it can be tracked daily and forecasted accordingly. The ownership levels quantitatively are very different between the two sites, but generally qualitatively they will be close barring some pricing error. And you don’t need extra data to know who will qualitatively be high or low owned.

    It’s not difficult at all for someone with Ethan’s technical expertise to create a projection model using extensive private data that incorporates anticipated ownership with high-ownership players from top users.

    Merely having access isn’t likely to result in such success, but using the data wisely in some sort of model can.

    Nothing wrong with projection models. But when those models use private DK data there is.

    This is why we need to know who has access to such data and what the next steps are in getting a third party to facilitate this data.

    Not saying Ethan specifically made these models, but you’re naive of you think a FD or dk employee isn’t capable of this and hasn’t done so already.

  • Ryazan

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    @hustlemania83 said...

    Yeah I’ve never heard of ryazan, definitely not some pro anyone wants to hear from…

    im pretty sure Dinkpiece, Draftcheat, STL and the other pros have more of a problem with sites not leaking data in general, and they are not accusing people of cheating or thinking that everything is fixed. So what they post is more about wanting full disclosure and less about thinking that Dk lied about an employee having access to lineups before 1PM – DK already cleared that up.

    Plus they are free to have their opinions, if they all do think there is major cheating going on, then I think they are all wrong. Sorry i missed your post earlier, there are too many posts to follow

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