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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • einars

    @MikeMineo said...

    no, as someone in PR, if you make a mistake THAT bad and THAT public your career is typically over.

    you’re in PR?? that’s amazing

  • MikeMineo

    @einars said...

    you’re in PR?? that’s amazing

    yup.

    and I haven’t said anything in this thread (or ever online) that will ever jeopardize my career or make me even remotely infamous on Buzzfeed and every social media platform imaginable :)

    can’t say that for everyone, right? despite it being lesson #1 in every Intro to PR class.

    treating the public/users like they’re idiots is basically the last thing you want to do. silence is similarly awful. silence and talking-down is basically what they’re doing in the sparse few times a statement has been released. it’s hilariously awful.

  • natroslezka

    DFS isn’t too big to fail sadly

  • DeeSee

    I’m not going through all 109 pages of this thread so i apologize if this has already been stated… but this is probably the best thing that has happened to DFS. The industry needs to prove that it is not a huge pyramid scheme. All sites need to have 3rd party auditors and regulators. If you work in the DFS industry, you should not be able to play DFS. The rake these sites take should be enough to pay bonuses to their employees. There needs to be a DFS employee database so that employees cannot register on DFS sites. I wouldn’t even be opposed to top 5 winners getting audited to make sure they did not receive inside info prior to locks.

    Will this stop me from playing DFS? probably not. But the industry needs to audited.

  • mellofellowsu

    @DeeSee said...

    There needs to be a DFS employee database so that employees cannot register on DFS sites.

    That’s a good idea. I’m trying to think of reasons why it wouldn’t work.

  • grux

    @drshang said...

    This is a major problem for the industry, but I think short of the government banning DFS sites, I think they will recover and the growth train will continue. There are also other sites that could gain market share after all the negative attention directed at Draftkings and Fanduel. A lot of this is company specific in nature and plenty of industries have survived scandals and cheating. But sometimes they aren’t the same.

    DFS sites that provide their customers with site specific rules and regulations in regards to ownership percentage etc might gain some business. Employees should not be able to see ownership percentages and use that info to make lineups at another site. DFS is to big not to be regulated.

  • traction

    Heh. My tweet got some “traction”.

    http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/pr-guru-who-posted-racist-tweet-resurfaces-in-fantasy-sports-scandal/

  • MTro86

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    The Harold Reynolds of Congress has spoken.
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    “They even advertise on TV about the multi-million dollar wins that people can get and have had,” Reid said. “And we learned yesterday in a nice piece written in the New York Times and other places that it is absolute scandalous conduct taking place at those programs, fantasy sports. Some of the owners of those programs know what’s going on in their competitors [contests] and so they can make a lot of money – and that’s what they’ve done”. – See more at: http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowlandsmatters/12206/harry-reid-in-wake-of-draftkings-fanduel-online-gaming-is-a-real-scary-thing/#more-12206
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    In a week full of misinformation and cluelessness, this takes the cake.

  • deejones49

    @mellofellowsu said...

    That’s a good idea. I’m trying to think of reasons why it wouldn’t work.

    They would just get some of there friends to open accounts and use them

  • realdeals

    @shark61350 said...

    DraftKings spokesperson Sabrina Macias told ESPN Chalk in an email.

    DraftKings currently believes keeping ownership data hidden until rosters are locked creates a better overall experience for players.

    “We have considered whether it would be a cool feature to have people be able to see trends and other overall player utilization info in real time as selections are being made,” Macias said. “But the reason we haven’t done that is because we don’t want to create an incentive to wait until the last minute to submit your roster. We also don’t want to create an incentive for people to submit dummy lineups to manipulate the data being presented to the public. So [it is] better to wait to provide info like this until after lineups are locked.”

    I agree with this statement. I’d rather not have the %s public as long as nobody is using them.

  • KaiBang

    • 2015 DraftKings FCFWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I applaud DK/FD for the greatest PR campaign in the history of marketing. All the MLB post season games (2 game/day slate) still filling fast and now all these small/large news media is reporting (marketing in eyes of DK/FD) about what DFS is. They will fill their games this weekend because the masses will feel its the last time we get a shot at being a millionaire or fear of DFS ending. They are getting free marketing lol. Next week there will be another milly maker. FYI Comcast owns NBC who owns CNBC and rotoworld (most read fantasy site) who is heavily invested in FD thru their VC arm Comcast ventures. WE ALL BEEN HAD. Now go pay those high rake fees so they can pay for those commercials.

  • shark61350

    Makes for good reading! The sites have known about the syndicates & collusion for awhile right? https://www.draftkings.com/help/terms

  • MikeMineo

    well i think one thing the entire thread can agree on is that Harry Reid is NOT the person we want in charge of spearheading potential regulation. would be nice if someone who had a clue would undertake it, but i guess that’s naive thinking.

    he’s not wrong about scandalous conduct taking place, though. just wish he wasn’t so traditionally gung-ho on obliterating anything completely in the industry, as opposed to taking only slightly obtrusive steps to regulate, which is the way to go imo.

  • stoptheinsanity

    It is about to be addressed on the NBC Nightly News. I am sure it will be a lot of incorrect information. But just a heads up if anybody wants to watch it.

  • jjwd

    @MTro86 said...

    The Harold Reynolds of Congress has spoken.
    ————-
    “They even advertise on TV about the multi-million dollar wins that people can get and have had,” Reid said. “And we learned yesterday in a nice piece written in the New York Times and other places that it is absolute scandalous conduct taking place at those programs, fantasy sports. Some of the owners of those programs know what’s going on in their competitors [contests] and so they can make a lot of money – and that’s what they’ve done”. – See more at: http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowlandsmatters/12206/harry-reid-in-wake-of-draftkings-fanduel-online-gaming-is-a-real-scary-thing/#more-12206
    ———-
    In a week full of misinformation and cluelessness, this takes the cake.

    Dude, Harry Reid is a gangster!!! He represents Nevada and big money casino interests. This is not “cluelessness”, he’s not a crazy old man, this is a veteran politician spinning/exploiting something he has an interest in.

  • Cal

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    @PainState said...

    Ok, lets step back a second. So FD, DK employees are playing on each others site and making serious “bank”. What about the employees at FA, FF, SD, FH and DP who most likely got into the industry working for FD and DK?

    Now you have this large pool of insiders “talking” and collecting data from all the sites not just FD and DK.

    So, now you have GPP’s filling up with 50 “insiders” max entering the GPP and comprise almost 40% of the entire GPP. No wonder they “bank” and make out like bandits.

    Really, at the end of the day, why should we be shocked to learn the truth?

    If that were the truth it would be shocking. That means the sites have no controls over their data and allow for unfathomable recklessness.

    Ethan getting the lineup data post lock so that he can write a DraftKings Playbook article about ownership percentages is also very reckless, but what you describe would be on a completely different solar system of recklessness.

    This is an issue that has been brought up multiple times on this forum over the past 5 years. There are protections in place, but it’s crystal clear at this point that this industry is on a new level and those protections aren’t enough.

    I’m still hoping for an announcement from DK thoroughly detailing the controls they have in place now and what changes that will be made going forward. Not allowing employees to play on other sites is the right first step.

  • tr28999

    @drshang said...

    This is a major problem for the industry, but I think short of the government banning DFS sites, I think they will recover and the growth train will continue. There are also other sites that could gain market share after all the negative attention directed at Draftkings and Fanduel. A lot of this is company specific in nature and plenty of industries have survived scandals and cheating. But sometimes they aren’t the same.

    DFS sites are not going anywhere but if the reports are true that ESPN is backing away from DK and all of their advertising dollars, it’s because they know something very uncomfortable is in the works for DK. There is a real possibility that DK doesn’t survive this.

    Anyway, hi every one. This is my first post =)

  • sutogame

    @Cal said...

    If that were the truth it would be shocking. That means the sites have no controls over their data and allow for unfathomable recklessness.

    Ethan getting the lineup data post lock so that he can write a DraftKings Playbook article about ownership percentages is also very reckless, but what you describe would be on a completely different solar system of recklessness.

    This is an issue that has been brought up multiple times on this forum over the past 5 years. There are protections in place, but it’s crystal clear at this point that this industry is on a new level and those protections aren’t enough.

    I’m still hoping for an announcement from DK detailing the controls they have in place now and what changes that will be made going forward. Not allowing employees to play on other sites is the right first step.

    Great last sentence

  • sutogame

    @sutogame said...

    Great last sentence

    Hey they should be allowed to play in employee only leagues

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    How can you ever enforce a universal employee ban? The can hire people to put lineups in.

  • mellofellowsu

    @realdeals said...

    I agree with this statement. I’d rather not have the %s public as long as nobody is using them.

    Meh, I think it’d be fun.

    Eliminate the scripting and you’ll get rid of the first problem.

    Second “problem” isn’t really a problem. Dummy lineups wouldn’t affect the people that still do their own research. It would affect the dummies.

  • Unico10

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    Is the DK Pro link down or is my browser’s issue?

  • detroittigers44

    I am still waiting for some sort of OFFICIAL post that states he received the %‘s at 1:40PM… I realize stating it could be complete BS, I also realize that any sort of post that has timestamps could easily be doctored, but for them to just state, “nope, he didn’t have the data before lock” with absolutely zero attempt at concrete proof, it smells like a load of bull.

  • drshang

    @MTro86 said...

    How can you ever enforce a universal employee ban? The can hire people to put lineups in.

    Federal prison. That’s what they do in the securities industry. They track associates, relatives, friends, etc.

  • mannmicj

    @sutogame said...

    Hey they should be allowed to play in employee only leagues

    This is a great idea if the want to play. Otherwise, no one is forcing them to work at a site over playing DFS. You can’t have he best of both worlds. They just need to pick one or the other.

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