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  • colinwdrew

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    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Putz

    @Ryazan said...

    its a fun little article to know % owned of players. I read that stuff too for entertainment. Its not an actual edge – anyone can predict who will be low owned and who won’t.

    Post your % owned Thursday morning on here for Sunday main slate, and we will be the judge of that, Nostradamus.

  • smutpeddlers

    And people still have questions, I agree that this is getting out of hand but people have real concerns…… So locking it down is not the answer

  • Putz

    @Ryazan said...

    people kept clamoring for “pros” to defend this, so HERE I AM, DEFENDING IT.

    You are not a “DK Pro.” Please pay attention.

  • UnregisteredUser

    Can someone on the RG staff write-up a summary blog post and include current FACTUAL information, links to relevant NYT/WSJ/etc. articles, and perhaps an overall conclusion as to what may come next?

    I would like to get caught up on this story without reading 116 pages of replies, many of which are likely useless and complete BS.

  • pinballmick

    your joking right ?

  • adamo112

    I’ve been hard at work on my Social Network style screenplay of all this for the past 48 hours and I just want to thank the NY AG for being named “Schneiderman.” What a perfect character name.

    “Oh no, Schniederman is on the case? They say he can’t be bought. He sleeps with one eye open. Burn everything!”

    (Note: this exchange would take place in DK HQ, where employees run around, flop sweating, wondering where the grown-ups are – to say nothing of the Skadden attorneys and Edelman PR gurus that should have been there at 9 am on Monday.)

  • mchin1027

    Just read the letter to DK from the NY AG. Pretty comprehensive request and asks a lot of the right questions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/06/sports/document-new-york-attorney-general-letter-to-draftkings.html

  • TheKid2430

    watching the stros and right on cue ESPN runs a minute worth of reporting/etc of dfs on their scrolling bottom line..has that been on loop all day?

  • lpk8787

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Who will be the first DK employee to start “naming names”? If there was wrong doing and someone is faced with a plea deal, they will start talking and the results could be shocking.

  • walterg55

    @adamo112 said...

    to say nothing of the Skadden attorneys and Edelman PR gurus that should have been there at 9 am on Monday

    Think the rake is too high now? Wait till DK has to pay those bills

  • MastodonsOfStrength

    If this thread gets locked down…just imagine what will happen on Reddit.

  • COMMISH

    Ownership info is worthless

    I am here to prove that the leaked percentage of ownership information is worthless. For information to be valuable, it has to be useful. For example, if I have inside information that Andy Dalton isn’t playing this week, then I have an unfair advantage over everyone else. On the other hand, if I have inside information that Andy Dalton just got a tattoo, then nobody is going to be claiming I was able to benefit from this knowledge, at least as far as fantasy sports go.

    Now, let me show you how worthless this ownership information is. All it shows is what the public thinks. It shows NOTHING more. That’s it.

    Let’s say you happen to obtain the ownership information before the games are played. You notice that Andy Dalton is owned by 10% of the players. Immediately, alarm bells go off in your head because you THINK he should be owned by 30% of the owners. The dumb public doesn’t like Dalton as much as you do. Basically, you THINK you are smarter than the rest of the public. So, you jump on the Dalton bandwagon and you load your lineups with him because the prize pool is working in your favor. At the same time, this means you are NOT loading your lineups with other QBs, meaning those prize pools will have a lower ownership without you, which works in the public’s favor. This is the UNSEEN that most are overlooking. At any rate, NONE of this is going to change the actual outcome of the games, or more specifically, what Dalton does on the field. Please, read that last sentence again.

    Now, let’s look at a couple outcomes. Let’s say Dalton lights it up (4 TD passes). You do benefit due to the smaller than anticipated Dalton ownership. However, let’s look at the other side of the coin. Let’s say Dalton sprains his ankle on the first play of the game and goes scoreless. Your valuable inside ownership info is now working against you and to the benefit of everyone else. In this case, the majority of the public who thought Dalton should only be 10% owner was right and you were wrong. Without you, their prize pool is larger than it would have been with you.

    The ownership info would be incredibly valuable after the games are done. Then, you could go back and pick the players that were under owned. However, that is not what is happening here.

    Again, the bottomline is that all this ownership info shows is what the public thinks. It doesn’t tell if the public (or you) is right or wrong. You make your decisions based upon what you think about the public’s decisions. You THINK you know better, which is why you would act on the info. If you didn’t think you knew better than the public, then you wouldn’t be playing these games. However, just because you think you know better doesn’t mean you actually do. In the end, only time will tell if you are right or wrong.

    Finally, let me present an example of a real scandal involving insider information. Let’s say I work at IBM and I discover valuable documents that show the company, in the near future, is going to make a hostile bid for Microsoft. Today, Microsoft is trading for $46. However, to gain control, IBM is going to be offering $100 per share. Of course, once this news hits the markets, Microsoft’s stock price is going to skyrocket. So, in the meantime, I buy as many Microsoft shares as I can. Clearly, I will be benefiting from this inside information, which is clearly why it is an illegal activity. In this DK and FD case, nobody is benefiting from the leaked information, making it (the information) worthless.

  • CeeGee

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    Is that letter real?

  • Gateman07

    • 2013 StarStreet NFL Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @mchin1027 said...

    Just read the letter to DK from the NY AG. Pretty comprehensive request and asks a lot of the right questions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/06/sports/document-new-york-attorney-general-letter-to-draftkings.html

    I agree with mchin here… this really does ask valid questions and doesn’t seem like a witch hunt at all

  • mchin1027

    @CeeGee said...

    Is that letter real?

    no the NYtimes is now posting fake letters from the NY AG

  • Avgplayer

    There was a leak by Ethan, so here we are because of it
    What is dfs 101, to separate yourself from the field.
    The whole argument is about knowing what others are doing so then you can be different from the field.
    This is why we are here, this is why we are pissed, this is why we want answers!

  • iSplashRollz

    @Ryazan said...

    the media is a complete embarrassment, Trump wasn’t kidding when he said they are evil and just post nonsense all the time. You just have to be in the middle of it one time and you realize that the media is insanely inaccurate in what they post, for the sake of clicks and ratings as the guy above me said.

    I know for a fact that no one at DK or Fanduel would dare risk the business for USELESS data such as player % owned to try to use it on other sites. Anyone who is good at DFS does not need such data ever when building lineups, and the guys who work for both sites and win will agree with me (they just won’t post here, for obvious reasons).

    Once FD and DK reveal what the attorney general wants, they will be cleared, and all of you accusers will need to find a new excuse for being a losing DFS player.

    Thanks for creating Deflate-Gate all over again though.

    Sounds familiar right? A complete overreaction to a small violation of a rule.

    Wow the AG of NY is “overreacting” like a mofo
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/06/sports/document-new-york-attorney-general-letter-to-draftkings.html

  • mavven77

    Crazy how blind and naive the defenders on this forum are, makes me wonder why people are so quick to defend cheaters. You would expect outrage, yet you get comments in this thread like “I think his line up was legit”

  • rsigler65

    Dudes – MLB playoffs!

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    Here Comes Big Brother: NY Attorney General gets Involve

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/sports/draftkings-fanduel-inquiry-new-york-attorney-general.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1

    Okay, I’m now a little worried. Thoughts?

  • Wingul_Nova

    I just pulled my bankrolls back to PayPal. At this point, I will still play, but will only deposit what I plan to play day of contest and withdrawing any winnings immediately. To risky to leave my money in the sites’ hands right now IMO. Legal storms are brewing.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @mchin1027 said...

    Just read the letter to DK from the NY AG. Pretty comprehensive request and asks a lot of the right questions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/06/sports/document-new-york-attorney-general-letter-to-draftkings.html

    This is positive. Not negative. Questions we have all been asking for a long time now. The people running the sites can easily adhere to regulations and make billions. Finally they have to listen instead of ignore. Good thing. It is a terrible blip on the radar that will lead to a huge new industry that can be trusted. I am all for this.

  • tenaciousO_dfs

    What’s even scarier is all the sheep believing what they read in the media. All these click bait journalists are putting out completely false reports, and America just eats it up. It is scary beyond belief how this could happen in our country tbh. Makes me rethink everything I’ve ever read/heard through media outlets. That’s the biggest issue from all of this in my eyes, and it’s not even close.

  • ssmfour

    Assuming the story DK has told is true — Ethan was given the information at 1:40 to write an article — they shouldn’t have much to worry about. They’ll apologize and add a few stricter policies about how information is accessed. The AG is just reacting to public outcry.

    If the story isn’t true then they could be in trouble, but I’m not too worried

  • rainbowtroutman

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    This is positive. Not negative. Questions we have all been asking for a long time now. The people running the sites can easily adhere to regulations and make billions. Finally they have to listen instead of ignore. Good thing. It is a terrible blip on the radar that will lead to a huge new industry that can be trusted. I am all for this.

    I agree—this is much needed

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