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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Sjsjsjd

    And that Bernie fellow was such as nice man… just wait until more info on draftkings fanduel is uncovered. There won’t be as many defenders.

    The attorney general doesn’t get involved in trivial matters. This ain’t jay walking. It’s just the tip of the iceberg. Plus it’s some feather in his hat if he’s the guy who regulates or ends this fantasy. He is going to go all in on this.

    Bottom line so far; Our information on players we selected was used as a competitive advantage we were disallowed. It’s unfair and wrong. There should not be anyone defending dfs fd.. unless you won lol

  • Pinhead6

    I fall somewhere in the middle, I don’t feel cheated or anything (given the current known facts) but dk definitely f’d up. Ryazan, I agree with some of what you say but your stance on ownership levels having no potential benefit in roster construction is ridiculous. You can ignore projected ownership %s when choosing players and still be successful but if used properly it can certainly help. You come off as being very conceited and illogical.

  • AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

    @stevietpfl said...

    I have no reason not to trust official statements from these sites.

    Were you in a coma during the scripting debacle? They outright lied to everyone, and now you’re on here trying to convince me to take their word for it.

  • Avgplayer

    I am going to play this Sunday, but I will only be using my FPP.

  • Steroid

    @padlock said...

    the dope thing about it being 127.. is when ethan posted on page umm 1… i betcha he never would of thought

    Yea, and that those FanDuel earnings would go to attorney fees :(

  • ptskills

    Anyone defending the actions of the sites and its employees after all of this has come out are just as guilty of being misinformed as the people on here that have concerns about the integrity of these sites. You are defending a company…when you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors

    If i see one more post, especially from someone who plays DFS regularly, that states that having ownership % knowledge doesn’t help…….I swear to GOD.

    If you’ve played any DFS slate….you know that it matters…and knowing it or having access to it is an advantage….PERIOD!!

  • ckamins87

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    It’s hard to imagine Ethan not resigning or being let go since his reputation has been tarnished, deservingly or not, and his role at the site is one that requires interacting with the community. If sites continue the ban on employees playing on other sites, it’s safe to assume petergbbons will choose to take advantage of his 3 seats. Although at the same time they would have to let him play regardless since the rules were implemented after he risked money to get seats and earned them.

  • mrchuffy

    Have any of the smaller sites banned employees from playing DFS? I know there are a few rotogrinders analysts who work for smaller sites. Haven’t seen this mentioned yet.

  • Steroid

    On the plus, didn’t see one DK or FD commercial during the Yankees/Stros…

    Imagine if that Week 1 media blitz never happened. What a rookie greedy mistake by #DK who exists in the gray area of the law.

  • COMMISH

    @Zialum said...

    You just completely took that quote out of context. “I’m not trying to beat the public, I’m trying to get the best score possible” and it’s the exact same strategy used by golfers.

    Again, if you are not trying to beat the public, then who are you going to win money from? Oh, you can get your best score, but if you aren’t beating what the public does, then you are going to go home empty handed. The same is true in golf. I could TRY to get the best golf score possible, but if that best score isn’t better than the public’s score, then I am going home empty handed. The pie is fixed. You MUST beat the public. Heck, you could even end up with a poor score (by your normal) standards and still win, if the public is worse than you. In those cases, are you going to give the winnings back since it wasn’t your best score?
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    “ It has nothing to do with over performing or underperforming, it has to do with having high scoring lineups that other people don’t.”
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    Let me re-phrase that for you. “It has to do with having high scoring lineups that other people don’t. In other words, I need to OUT PERFORM the public.”

    I couldn’t agree more!!!!!!!

  • stoptheinsanity

    @ptskills said...

    Anyone defending the actions of the sites and its employees after all of this has come out are just as guilty of being misinformed as the people on here that have concerns about the integrity of these sites. You are defending a company…when you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors

    If i see one more post, especially from someone who plays DFS regularly, that states that having ownership % knowledge doesn’t help…….I swear to GOD.

    If you’ve played any DFS slate….you know that it matters…and knowing it or having access to it is an advantage….PERIOD!!

    Percentages obviously matter. Anybody saying otherwise is fighting a losing battle. A lot of people on RG are very intelligent. I would even argue that the majority of us are above average intelligence. That’s why we are still here. People need to let go of that. Let’s just get regulated. We all need to quit fighting it. Accept it. Move on. The more legitimate the business is the more it will grow.

  • gridironguru99

    The other angle that I often wonder (especially in light of the scripting debacle) is the simple fact of how easy it would be for a few of the huge skarks (aka top DK customers) to form a deal w/ one employee to get access to ownership info early to use to their advantage. Whenever lots of money is involved (i.e greed) the bad apples come out the woodwork. There is no SEC or FINRA to police DFS – we have to take their word LOL. Sorry, but I find it very hard to make any substantial deposit with a DFS provider untl there is clarity and ACTION on this issue.

  • rgyanks

    @COMMISH said...

    Projected by whom? Certainly not the public. If the public did believe that, then the ownership rates would be EXACTLY the same. Any deviation at all tells you all other things are not equal, in the eyes of the public. Since this is true in your example, then you should play the under-owned players since you BELIEVE you know better than the public.

    Let’s say IBM is priced at $100 a share. This is what the entire market (public) thinks. Now, you, after doing extensive research, think the stock should be worth $200. In other words, it is under owned, so to speak. So, you buy, since that stupid public doesn’t know better than you. If the stock falls (under performs your expectations), who was right? Are you still going to claim you were right and the public was wrong, even though you are losing money? I have already agreed that if you are right, and the public was wrong, you are going to make more money. Keep in mind, at the time of your purchase at $100, all the ownership numbers were known, even to you. How did this information help you? Guess what? It didn’t.

    Ok, this is my last reply to you, either you’ll get it or you won’t. PROJECTED BY ME. ASSUME I AM RIGHT. It is right there in my post. If I am right that both players are projected for the same points, but do not know ownership, I should use both players equally. But if I know that one player is going to be lower owner, then I should play him. Over the long term, that will produce greater returns. See my original example for why this is the case. So in this scenario, and this is just one scenario where I am in some way better than the public, knowing the ownership will lead to greater profits for me. I will probably profit anyway if I did not have the ownership numbers, but will profit more with them. That is called an advantage and shows that ownership numbers can mean something. They are not the reason that you are winning, but they can make you a more profitable player. And this is only the scenario where you are a winning player. It helps in other cases too.

    Also, your general assumption that ownership means projection is wrong. The public is not perfect, they do not just base decisions on projections. Fandom, popularity, who touts are promoting affects ownership, without having anything to do with projections. Have you heard of public teams in Vegas? Teams that the public regular bets too much like the Steelers, Cowboys, Packers. Vegas has to adjust to account for this. The public does not always bet based solely on the stats.

  • MikeMineo

    @AndThisGuyPeedOnIt said...

    Were you in a coma during the scripting debacle? They outright lied to everyone, and now you’re on here trying to convince me to take their word for it.

    in terms of more veteran players, I’d imagine it’s difficult to distance oneself from a site that has been trustworthy in paying out contests for 6 years.

    I don’t specifically agree that DK should be trusted, but I understand entirely why someone who has played for the past 6 years at a high volume and has never felt unsafe with their $ on there feels still has some trust.

    But there is absolutely no doubt that trust between the user base and FD/DK is very severed after this incident, and the sites have a lot of work to do to repair that trust. Based on what I’m seeing, those who still trust FD/DK are in the overwhelming minority, and that’s what’s important.

  • gridironguru99

    Ethan, Get a good lawyer, get a new job and lay low my man.

    To DK, I run a PR agency – you guys need serious help ASAP..probably needed it after the site failure last year and scripting. Your current PR counsel BLOWS. You should be out in front of this issue.

  • Steroid

    I mean…

    https://www.draftkings.com/lp/raf-nfl

    “Refer friends, Become a Millionaire”

    lol – come on sons!

  • bluestooges

    @ckamins87 said...

    It’s hard to imagine Ethan not resigning or being let go since his reputation has been tarnished

    I hope something like this doesn’t cost someone their job. If his employer says he didn’t do anything wrong lets assume that the AG finds the the same. What a crappy world we live in if even after someone is found innocent (assuming he is of course for argument sake) The angry mob wants him thrown to the curb anyway.

  • Steroid

    @gridironguru99 said...

    Ethan, Get a good lawyer, get a new job and lay low my man.

    To DK, I run a PR agency – you guys need serious help ASAP..probably needed it after the site failure last year and scripting. Your current PR counsel BLOWS. You should be out in front of this issue.

    They had too many investors who just threw millions of new money to build up the user base through a media blitz. Their growth plan was built on: Ads and Servers

  • Matty

    There is no way petergbbons gets to use those seats the AG is involved and everyone knows who pg is this is serious. Only a matter of time before it is all gone and I don’t know what the hell I’m going to do!
    Nobody cares about there money Espn already said they are going to show less commercials Mlb said they had no idea they were letting employees play each league NBA,NFL NHL will follow with statements.

  • JimmyTango

    @Steroid said...

    On the plus, didn’t see one DK or FD commercial during the Yankees/Stros…

    Really? I saw a TON of DK commercials.

  • MikeMineo

    @bluestooges said...

    I hope something like this doesn’t cost someone their job.

    no worries – if every investigation turns up he did absolutely nothing wrong, I highly doubt he’d be fired.

  • youngblood

    L

  • Zialum

    Here is what I’m hoping happens from FanDuel and DraftKings:

    1) If you work for a DFS company, you may not play. Too much inside information and room for shenanigans.
    2) Repercussions of some kind for sharing inside information. I’m not sure what would be fair and effective (which is a big part of it).
    3) No more multi entry. This gives too big of an edge to the best players. The game needs a smaller edge for normal people to play. It has to be at least reasonably possible for anyone to win, and the payouts need to be spread out way more. Most people who win a tournament will lose a lot back in H2Hs. An ecosystem will form and the stakes will get larger (including GPPs). Better players will move up, and the game will be easier for newer players. Again, there should be reasonable repercussions for breaking this rule.
    4) Better Rakeback programs and lower rake. Poker sites relied on the volume of regs. So should DFS. 10% is insane and if people don’t trust you, I don’t see how you can still keep charging that. Where is the money going other than advertising? Somebody trusted is going to come along, offer less rake, and promote the hell out of it. With this high of rake, you have zero loyalty from your player base.
    5) Complete overhaul of their advertising campaign. They got their name out, but now they need to make sure it’s for the right reasons. Most people are annoyed, which doesn’t help when people still aren’t sure you are legal. Use this money to hire competent PR people, and internal regulators who know what they are doing and can spot problems before they come up.

  • robertrivelli

    Edit from my original post

    It definitely doesn’t look good for DFS if it turns out that major companies’ employees were in fact using information exclusive to them.

    However, I think the public perception of this will be much worse than it should be.

  • Steroid

    The scary thing for the industry is ESPN cutting ties. What comes next could be their other big “investors”, like MLB, NFL, etc. Those are HUGE lobby groups with clout who could save the industry and protect them. Hopefully they keep those relationships, but if those go, then see yaaaaaa.

    ESPN distancing themselves after what they’ve already committed could be the biggest story in this whole entire drama.

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