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  • colinwdrew

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    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

    • 2018 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Vigilantes

    The range of outcomes are quite wide right now.

  • Unico10

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    @Vigilantes said...

    Having up to the second player % data is obviously better info than the Thur data from FD. It is up to date and 100% accurate. Being able to tell exactly how many lineups are flying in for late scratches vs. guestemating is just one example where it helps. Having non-public data that is clearly better does provide an edge. Even DK conceded that to me in conversations claiming the edge wouldn’t make a loser into a winner, but could increase ROI some 5%. If they are conceding it, I’m not sure the other side can be argued effectively.

    A point that nobody has brought up is the ability to see own % trending in real time.

    Just thought of another cool feature that would give a nice little edge. The ability to see real time how many lineups have a specific combo (say QB+RB+WR+DST)

    For example one could see Dalton %, Bell %, AJ Green %, SEA % individually and than pull how many lineups have all 4… than change DST and see how the % number change?

  • Ryazan

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    @Unico10 said...

    A point that nobody has brought up is the ability to see own % trending in real time.

    Just thought of another cool feature that would give a nice little edge. The ability to see real time how many lineups have a specific combo (say QB+RB+WR+DST)

    For example one could see Dalton %, Bell %, AJ Green %, SEA % individually and than pull how many lineups have all 4… than change DST and see how the % number change?

    and yet none of that helps you actually pick the right players that will result in a winning lineup

  • Ryazan

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    why are ownership %‘s even a discussion? GiantBallOfOil, who we all love and trust for his analysis, kills it with his article (in the comments section too):

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/the-fantasy-grout-week-6-ownership-892668

  • Unico10

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    @Ryazan said...

    why are ownership %‘s even a discussion? GiantBallOfOil, who we all love and trust for his analysis, kills it with his article (in the comments section too):

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/the-fantasy-grout-week-6-ownership-892668

    First of all, as much as I love his articles, that doesn’t prove/mean anything. Just like you said is about picking and he doesn’t pick the right players in his article.

    You keep missing the larger point.
    It is undisputed that own % was one of the datas available to some or all employees.
    It is up to the ability of the player how to use that data.
    All my post said was to highlight that if the insider had also the ability to sort that data in real time and see trends, that would give him additional info that would give him an edge over the field.

  • Vigilantes

    Of course even real time ownership data by itself is not the only piece of information that would get one to make the winning lineup. Obviously projections, values, matchups, ceilings, etc. need to be taken into consideration. Sure there are a couple erroneous media articles that are off base on this topic, but few (if any) in the RG community are saying that the only thing needed is ownership % to win.

    Plain and simple… If someone had non-public data that is clearly better than what is readily available and played for money that is a problem that need fixed. I believe this falls into more of negligence than maliciousness and think FD & DK will improve after all of this as long as the gov’t doesn’t make it crumble.

  • Nickj2306

    Hey guys I am a dfs basketball player and just started NFL as I am sure the vast majority of players paying dfs are playing football I am having a friend of mine write to you all.

    My name is Eric and I am 47 and I live in Virginia. I am a former FBI and ATF agent and nick asked me to write this to help some out who are learning of the FBI investigation into dfs. As a former agent I can tell you that this is not good. Investigations cost hundreds of thousand if not millions of dollars and they wouldn’t be doing it if lawmakers etc. weren’t pushing it. Believe me they have more important things then dfs to care about. Having said that the reason nick asked me to write is to give you guys warning signs to look for should things go south and some of you like nick who carry thousands of not tens of thousands of dollars in your account don’t get it frozen. And trust me again if things were to go south it will get frozen. I am not here to tell you which way it will go as I have no idea I am just doing this as a courtesy. the next steps will be determining the legality of dfs this has little to nothing to do with the leak so pay close attention to what federal lawmakers have to say. When you start hearing them talk more and more about it know they have a hard on for this and it’s going south. Watch the dfs sites the more they start issuing statements the worse it’s gonna get. Last is I would recommend keeping your minimum amount in your account you plan to play with and withdraw deposit as you need. I can tell you there were 100s of millions of dollars frozen when Internet gamblings Black Friday hit and it could happen here. Don’t let it be you. Better to lose 200 then 20 grand because you just leave it in there. So that’s the convo nick and I had the other day I hope it helps you guys.

  • sangamc

    The feds dont normally chase cases they can’t win. Right now nobody knows what a “win” will constitute. They may find that everything is legit and more regulations are needed for us to be on our merry way DFS-ing, or they may find that another black Friday is needed to nip this in the bud :(

  • daveinchi1975

    2012 DSBC Finalist

    What is particularly scary about this is that he has been that successful in such a short amount of time. Any player who is new to ANY game will not show a high level of success until the player has learned the game. It takes time to become good at any game. So, how has this person instantly become a draftkings shark without putting in the time spent losing first?

  • piersb999

    Guys, from a law enforcement background for many years and a dfs addict I am very worried. There is too much going on now and way too much media coverage and craziness due to dfs popularity. The people in power want us gone, I am genuinely worried dfs won’t be around in this form much longer. I just hope fd and dk have managed to gain some leverage with the corrupt politicians that can keep us going. Now Vegas involved this stuff has got real.

  • johnmets32

    Anybody claiming the fbi is investigating because “they have nothing better to do” is kidding themselves and doing others on here a disservice.

  • sangamc

    @piersb999, I am hoping some of that leverage they employee is the weight of all the companies that have invested in FD/DK. From the actual sports leagues to media partners. It seems like everyone has a piece. Some one would need to confirm, but I think the NCAA is the only entity that can not get a piece of the pie. It would suck if they were the ones putting their weight behind getting DFS shutdown

  • mellofellowsu

    @Ryazan said...

    why are ownership %‘s even a discussion? GiantBallOfOil, who we all love and trust for his analysis, kills it with his article (in the comments section too):

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/the-fantasy-grout-week-6-ownership-892668

    We get it dude, you don’t find it useful. That’s your opinion. There are others that have accomplished a lot that do find value in it. Just leave it at that.

  • mogreen12

    I highly doubt the feds freeze accounts. Right now its in the gray area of the law and the screwed up side of morality.

  • mrchuffy

    So who has pulled out all their money from the sites?

  • Myballzachertz

    I have pulled out yes but not pulled out my money yet.

  • smutpeddlers

    https://www.change.org/p/pam-bondi-save-daily-fantasy-sports-in-florida-before-it-s-too-late?recruiter=406301188&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

  • FargoBison

    @sangamc said...

    @piersb999, I am hoping some of that leverage they employee is the weight of all the companies that have invested in FD/DK. From the actual sports leagues to media partners. It seems like everyone has a piece. Some one would need to confirm, but I think the NCAA is the only entity that can not get a piece of the pie. It would suck if they were the ones putting their weight behind getting DFS shutdown

    The NCAA I am sure loves DFS, they just can’t say it obviously.

    TV ratings=Money…DFS brings ratings, especially for the games that aren’t exactly compelling match ups.

  • sharksfansd

    I like the NFL had the “Draft Kings” logo right behind Hanson on NFL Redzone this morning. Know it is probably in a contract, but see this as a plus (a small plus of course in the grand scheme of things).

  • robertrivelli

    Has there been anything PROVEN to have been done wrong by any of the major DFS companies? Or it is still all speculation?

    I’ve been trying to follow this whole situation as closely as possible but have been busy lately.

  • madmanjayWV

    @robertrivelli said...

    Has there been anything PROVEN to have been done wrong by any of the major DFS companies? Or it is still all speculation?

    I’ve been trying to follow this whole situation as closely as possible but have been busy lately.

    Go thru this 67 PAGE PDF, then decide —- doesn’t look good in some aspects if u ask me — http://www.legalsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Florida-Class-action.pdf

  • easternmh

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    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/19/sports/draftkings-continues-to-operate-in-nevada.html?_r=0&referer=http://t.co/ZhHPfVX0Ea

    Ny times writer at it again…..

  • crazyboytroy

    Not sure if people understand this, but… if you sue a company of this size and thier are millions of customers your lawsuit will be waste of time as it will take maybe at best 2-3 years before you see something. If FD or DF is found guilty they will just work out a deal to pay back all customers during that time frame to avoid criminal charges. Which the courts will accept.

  • Putz

    @easternmh said...

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/19/sports/draftkings-continues-to-operate-in-nevada.html?_r=0&referer=http://t.co/ZhHPfVX0Ea

    Ny times writer at it again…..

    And yet again they reference the Chris Grove blog as fact.

    From the Chris Grove thread…

    The flaw in his little experiment is the following, which the mainstream media does not bring up…

    5. The DraftKings account we logged into had a mailing address located in another state listed in the account information.

    Given this information, he clearly had no understanding of technology. They operated their experiment on a laptop on a casino wifi network. If done on a mobile device, DK could have used geofencing technology via GPS to prevent this activity. This group failed to validate their IP address, which can be done on many sites for free. They also reference a year old quote from a DK employee about deficiencies in their tracking technology.

    Agenda anyone? Now Drape references this little blog and its flawed experiment (note all the updates to correct its flaws and add clarifications) as fact. Maybe Joe should have written this for Chris?

  • Lonnie20

    @crazyboytroy said...

    Not sure if people understand this, but… if you sue a company of this size and thier are millions of customers your lawsuit will be waste of time as it will take maybe at best 2-3 years before you see something. If FD or DF is found guilty they will just work out a deal to pay back all customers during that time frame to avoid criminal charges. Which the courts will accept.

    This. Plus itll be tough to make big class action money as it probably will end up in arbitration per the boilerplate provision in dk Fd TOS unless ruled otherwise.

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