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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • colinwdrew

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    This isn’t about Ethan, man. I posted this way prior to results and nobody gave a shit until he won so please. The issue isn’t that Ethan won, in what I think very likely was just a lineup he built the same way the rest of us put our pants on. The issue is that site employees have access to data like this, how to win historic tournaments, who the best players use most frequently, and who the biggest winners and losers are. You could make a bumhunting playbook.

    I believe Ethan sent a request to an analyst who gave him the info he asked for after the games started. It’s just that there is a team of such people who can probably pull it and do whatever. That data needs to be locked from everybody.

    As you poker folks like to say let’s not be results oriented because Ethan won and make it about him.

  • slcseas

    I’m starting to feel the same way about DFS that I do about stocks. The average person throws their money in and are happy to walk away with a modest return; meanwhile the insiders are printing money and laughing their balls off at the rest of us.

  • DyingToLive

    @colinwdrew said...

    This isn’t about Ethan, man. I posted this way prior to results and nobody gave a shit until he won so please. The issue isn’t that Ethan won, in what I think very likely was just a lineup he built the same way the rest of us put our pants on. The issue is that site employees have access to data like this, how to win historic tournaments, who the best players use most frequently, and who the biggest winners and losers are. You could make a bumhunting playbook.

    I believe Ethan sent a request to an analyst who gave him the info he asked for after the games started. It’s just that there is a team of such people who can probably pull it and do whatever. That data needs to be locked from everybody.

    As you poker folks like to say let’s not be results oriented because Ethan won and make it about him.

    It has everything to do with Ethan.

  • pokerrob1970

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    It’s a old topic that has been speculated about on this and other forums for years. And now we see it coming out that people do indeed have access to that data…shocking. I think people seeing player % is a small advantage for the sake of just calling it an advantage in Gpps, these things are just massive lottery’s anyway. But the bigger issue (for me) is the advantage someone would have in Cash games knowing what the elite players are using. In the end there is no true fix for the issue, so either accept that this is going on and be the best player you can be or don’t play.

  • walterg55

    @colinwdrew said...

    This isn’t about Ethan, man. I posted this way prior to results and nobody gave a shit until he won so please. The issue isn’t that Ethan won, in what I think very likely was just a lineup he built the same way the rest of us put our pants on. The issue is that site employees have access to data like this, how to win historic tournaments, who the best players use most frequently, and who the biggest winners and losers are. You could make a bumhunting playbook.

    I believe Ethan sent a request to an analyst who gave him the info he asked for after the games started. It’s just that there is a team of such people who can probably pull it and do whatever. That data needs to be locked from everybody.

    As you poker folks like to say let’s not be results oriented because Ethan won and make it about him.

    @colindrew the issue isn’t really Ethan that is a separate issue I agree but the response should be a Huge Red Flag to DK and the other sites how fast the sense of their integrity is declining in the face of a steady series of issues. “I was told” and “he said” require some trust to accept and that is going away fast.

    The way people have handled issues like this in the past has been to complain to the Attorney General of their state. These fine folks have been more than willing to jump in and investigate when they sense money and votes are there. That’s where DK and others are headed

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    There is ALWAYS someone at every site that can access anything they want at any time. Generally the head programming guys.

    It is what it is.

    Obviously this was a mistake to publish them early, or give any employee access to these early that isnt the head guy in charge, but you generally have to trust the process IMO.

  • slcseas

    @colinwdrew said...

    This isn’t about Ethan, man

    This is, quite possibly, the manifestation of every concern mentioned. Unfortunate timing in many ways, but I’m glad it worked out this way instead of going unaddressed for who knows how many years.

  • xandamere

    I believe DK has previously stated that no employee can see ownership levels until lineups lock.

    If you choose to believe they’re lying about that, there isn’t much anybody else can do to change your mind. Given the size of the business, the investors involved, etc., I highly doubt they’re lying. I suppose stranger things have happened, but I’d rather not go on a witch hunt without proof.

  • PigskinaBlanket

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    This is a big deal and raises lots of questions.

  • dude_abides7

    @xandamere said...

    Given the size of the business, the investors involved, etc., I highly doubt they’re lying.

    Sorry dude….but to assert that they wouldn’t lie because they are a big company with large financial support doesn’t make sense to me. #volkswagen

  • slcseas

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Sorry dude….but to assert that they wouldn’t lie because they are a big company with large financial support doesn’t make sense to me. #volkswagen

    #enron #worldcom #lehman

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    @Cal said...

    From what I gather he posted it by accident. He had access to the macro percent owned data in the milly maker so that he could write this article.

    Wasn’t much of an article. Just looked like a table with ownership percentages to me.

    Clearly he knew how to analyze it and use it to advantage. Maybe put that process in your next article.

  • baseballs

    the PGA Championship ownership percentages he used in the DK Playbook article were incorrect in some cases so i’d be interested to know how exactly the % are pulled.

  • blackcloud420

    350k omfg

    this is big

  • xandamere

    Totally different situations with those big businesses. Those businesses lied to protect large-scale business operations – it’s wrong, but they have incentive.

    DK has zero incentive to lie to enable cheating by an employee.

  • traction

    @xandamere said...

    Totally different situations with those big businesses. Those businesses lied to protect large-scale business operations – it’s wrong, but they have incentive.

    DK has zero incentive to lie to enable cheating by an employee.

    DK would have EVERY incentive to lie to protect that fact they had a cheating employee.

    brand reputation, investor confidence, potential for government oversight, employee morale, cost to implement new self policing programs, cost to abide by independent protection measures, revenue slide, …shall I go on?…

    Please see Ultimate Bet or Absolute Poker for cover up history

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    I have to say I’m troubled by the recent tendency of Rotogrinders staff to jump to the defense of these sites in the face of obvious condemning evidence. It’s happened in a few threads now. I understand the relationship with the sites is what makes you money, but I think you owe it to your community to be a little more skeptical.

  • CrazyGabey

    1. I loved my time working with Ethan when he was here at RotoGrinders. I HIGHLY doubt he has cheated his way to DFS success. He was always a great player.

    2. I will not take any business’s “word on it” in matters like this. The responsibility of DraftKings and any other daily fantasy site is to be above reproach. In my opinion ANYONE who has access to ANYTHING on the backend of a daily fantasy site should sign an agreement to not play DFS elsewhere. It’s the only way to ensure integrity.

    (i.e. Smizzle, CSU, etc are good to play there because their relationship is purely promotional.)

  • xandamere

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    I think you missed the part where we know for a fact he had access because he accidentally tweeted out the percentages prior to the Monday night game. DK has late swap. Those players were not locked. It’s not a witch hunt without proof. LOL. There is proof.

    I’m talking about him winning on Fanduel. Fanduel does not have late swap, thus him having ownership data after the lock doesn’t have any bearing on his finishing 2nd in that FD tournament.

  • slcseas

    The word “cheating” is being thrown around a lot. Even if what is alleged is true, I don’t know that it qualifies as cheating. It is a questionable and possibly unethical use of inside information. Such gray areas happen every day in pretty much every business. It needs to be fixed and policed, but nobody cheated.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @xandamere said...

    I’m talking about him winning on Fanduel. Fanduel does not have late swap, thus him having ownership data after the lock doesn’t have any bearing on his finishing 2nd in that FD tournament.

    Oh okay. I see what you mean. There is absolutely no proof of that for sure. The only thing this really shows us is that employees that play DFS do get access to info that other players cannot get. Which I think many of us have assumed for years. We just now know it is true instead of just speculation.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @britdevine said...

    There is ALWAYS someone at every site that can access anything they want at any time. Generally the head programming guys.

    It is what it is.

    Obviously this was a mistake to publish them early, or give any employee access to these early that isnt the head guy in charge, but you generally have to trust the process IMO.

    Its hard to “trust the process” when there’s 350,000 reasons not to

  • dp47

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    Is this the main forum?

  • walterg55

    “Scully; the truth is out there”

  • DyingToLive

    What needs to happen is Draftkings needs to show a timestamp of when Ethan was given this information. No one in their right mind is willing to sit here and believe that a guy who just “won” $350,000 on a night where it’s been proven he had ownership percentages couldn’t have had it before whats being let on.

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