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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • 8MileAllstars

    @stevietpfl said...

    The post about Ethan getting info and becoming a good player over the last post, they have to stop. We have been told multiple times he got this info after lock around 2pm est. If you don’t believe that, I’m sorry but stop posting about it.

    There’s a lot of great conversation here, don’t ruin the thread with the a witch hunt.

    This type of opinion pisses me off more than anything. If you want to take that as your personal view fine. But take of your “Lead Moderator” comment on your profile when you post this. If you can’t see how there are questions about all of this, I have a certain perspective of you as a person/player. But to keep on defending the guy, whether you’re right or wrong, in your capacity as a “Lead Moderator” of RG is frankly an insult to my and other people’s intelligence. RG has a massive reason to both “not want this to be true” and “make it go away” If you believe everything someone has ever told you, especially after a set of really suspicious circumstances, you’re extremely naive.

    Again, if you want to personally adopt this position you should really take the “Lead Moderator” thing off of your profile. But if you’re speaking on behalf of RG, you’re really showing a clear favoritism towards the person and web sites involved.

  • MikeMineo

    @LarryLegend33 said...

    Wow, so my post (and all replies mentioning it) was removed even though it was completely based on the facts and unlikely odds of Ethan’s incredibly improbably win streak.

    And we are supposed to feel good about transparency and open dialogue here?

    wow. just realized my post was deleted too, despite getting 8 upvotes from the community. I didn’t make any accusations or wild assertions. you didn’t either.

    it’s pretty incredible that our opinions, which the community beyond the moderators overwhelmingly agree with, are being muted.

    I’ll be taking my discussion to /r/dfsports. this place is rigged.

  • hpharri1994

    The lack of response from Fanduel and Draftkings is what everyone, and I mean everyone, should be angry about right now.

  • sutogame

    Forget about Ethan for a second…………………

    So what would happen if one of the site employees gets the max number of entries into either the FD or DK FFWC. btw some already have 3-4 entries and proceed to take down the big one with all the live coverage.

    Not just taking down the big one but lets say getting multiple finishes in the top 5.

    What happens then?
    Think about it

  • wyattroa

    Since july he has finished in the top 3 seven times..I am guessing he has the sports almanac from back to the future

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  • jhorst52

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    this stuff has really messed with my head and made it next to impossible to do research for tonight. now im stuck with thousands in play and no clear head. if anyone wants free money play me tonight.

  • CBassXU

    @stevietpfl said...

    I do wish they would have said more, but they did clear up the witch hunt for Ethan imo.

    So nobody is allowed to point out anything about Ethan because it is of your opinion that his name has been cleared?

    I personally don’t see Ethan as being at fault for any of this as others but I don’t think it’s fair to tell users what they can/can’t post as far as opinions or theories regarding what’s going on.

    What good is a forum if you can only take the same stance as the moderator? But then again, that’s been a long standing problem with this forum…

  • Unico10

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    @wyattroa said...

    Since july he has finished in the top 3 seven times..I am guessing he has the sports almanac from back to the future

    It’s like with actual athlete getting super-hot way beyond their peers.

    You can choose to believe that they got better or are on a heater, or you can believe they are on HGH or roids.

  • LarryLegend33

    @stevietpfl said...

    Ethan has always been a good player, and a lot of good players have gone on a hot run.

    I can understand why yourself and others have been suspicious, but making post based on zero proof and trying to attack someone isn’t going to fly here.

    Personally, I’m trusting the sites that nothing is going on. I wouldn’t play if I didn’t trust them.

    I’m not trying to convict the guy, but it is fair to bring attention to a very improbably series of events.

    My post was based in fact. People should be able to draw their own conclusions. Why is it the more fact put in a post, the more likely it is to be deleted?

  • slohaylee

    @stevietpfl said...

    Ethan has always been a good player, and a lot of good players have gone on a hot run.

    I can understand why yourself and others have been suspicious, but making post based on zero proof and trying to attack someone isn’t going to fly here.

    Personally, I’m trusting the sites that nothing is going on. I wouldn’t play if I didn’t trust them.

    I am not attacking anyone, I am merely quoting an analysis done, I think anyone who truly understands gambling and probability would agree with this assesment from 2+2 forums poster rsigley:

    ““using almost 100% of the MLB results from fanduel and DK this past year

    he won 100k in a tournament, 4 big grand slams ( > 10k), 19 smaller grand slams (like the early only, night only, etc.) and cashes high in a lot of the other ones

    his cash rate % and ROI are huge outliers on FD

    he could be really good and that is why or he’s effectively using knowledge from DK to score high on FD.”“

    this is a statistical analysis from one of the top posters in the Sportbetting forum of the 2+2 gambling forums, I am still waiting to hear from the major players in this one before I make any decisions and I recomend others do the same

  • eddiemunstor

    Anyone have data on how successful these guys were prior to joining Fan Duel/Draft Kings as opposed to since they’ve joined? I’m curious to see if there was a large spike in their wins.

    I’ve emailed Fan Duel about some curious ‘new’ people submitting 1 lineup (yes, I clicked through all the entries) and nailing the top prize ($50,000 for a $5 entry). They assured me everything was on the up and up.

    Combined with the Single Entry contests having multiple entries, the numerous jackpots won by a ‘new’ person and this latest scandal, I’ll tap out and find a closer rat hole to throw my money down.

  • realdeals

    @mellofellowsu said...

    In 5 years DFS won’t look quite like what it does today. I think real-time ownership percentages availability is just a matter of when, not if.

    I don’t view it much differently than public betting percentages and line movement in sports betting. We all know that information is readily available these days. Sometimes the sharps will cash in, other times they’ll get hammered and the pubic will win.

    I don’t think it’s related at all. Sharps aren’t betting on a side because the public is all over a side. Now if the line moves to where they like a side the public $ moved to then yes. I highly doubt any sharps are just betting a side b/c the public is on a certain play. It’s all about the line not the %.
    IMO, The only useful betting %s is if you wanted to follow the sharps and bet on the reverse line movements.
    I don’t see any advantages the sharps get by knowing betting %s.

  • dude_abides7

    @stevietpfl said...

    We have been told that there was no information leaked in the DK response.

    I do wish they would have said more, but they did clear up the witch hunt for Ethan imo.

    Stevie,

    I think what the previous poster was saying (comparing this to scripting) was not to align the circumstances of the situations, but rather the reaction. The claim was made no scripting was occurring. History has proved this false. It was.

    So all thisguypeedonit was saying was why should we believe them now, at their word, that there was no breach in information? It is a legitimate point. Simply being told “that’s not happening” isn’t gonna be good enough anymore.

  • mchin1027

    Even when there is oversight and regulations, people will still try to break the rules to profit financially despite the risk.

    When there is zero oversight and zero repercussions for “cheating”, it would be extremely naive to completely trust anyone involved.

  • periewe

    The problem is that employees have data that not everyone has: 1) ownership levels, 2) lineups of top players, etc. and 3) what controls are there so that isn’t passed along to friends and family on their own site?

    The were very vague in what controls are in place in their press release…..FD and DK need to step up and say what they are going to do.

    Another issue that came out is the Single Entry tourneys that were either mislabeled or were Multi Entry on FD…..these are serious issues. Ignorance is not bliss on this one.

    Also there is now someone that works for FD that has been hot on DK. Is DK and FD employees trading information and FD/DK aren’t saying anything….

  • Jsue

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    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @slohaylee said...

    I am not attacking anyone, I am merely quoting an analysis done, I think anyone who truly understands gambling and probability would agree with this assesment from 2+2 forums poster rsigley:

    ““using almost 100% of the MLB results from fanduel and DK this past year

    he won 100k in a tournament, 4 big grand slams ( > 10k), 19 smaller grand slams (like the early only, night only, etc.) and cashes high in a lot of the other ones

    his cash rate % and ROI are huge outliers on FD

    he could be really good and that is why or he’s effectively using knowledge from DK to score high on FD.”“

    this is a statistical analysis from one of the top posters in the Sportbetting forum of the 2+2 gambling forums, I am still waiting to hear from the major players in this one before I make any decisions and I recomend others do the same

    Just curious, but how does anyone know his cash rate percentages or ROI? The only thing that would show in his profile here are top 20% cashes.

  • walterg55

    I think I have a pretty good understanding of which side of things one party is on. Friendship in the face of adversity is beautiful

  • ltperry89

    @stevietpfl said...

    Ethan has always been a good player, and a lot of good players have gone on a hot run.

    I can understand why yourself and others have been suspicious, but making post based on zero proof and trying to attack someone isn’t going to fly here.

    Personally, I’m trusting the sites that nothing is going on. I wouldn’t play if I didn’t trust them.

    Unfortunately innocent until proven guilty is not the case for public perception, and despite what everyone is saying, you have to agree that barring anything else, the timing certainly seems odd.

    I however think whether Ethan used it or not (and I don’t know what the case may be), the can of worms has been opened as to what data is available to who, when and where they can use it.

  • dayman

    The fact that Ethan got 2nd in Milly on FD has thrown this conversation way off topic. I do believe that he didn’t receive the ownership info until after lineups locked, but that’s not the issue anyway.

    Any statistical data that could in any way give any person any competitive advantage should be under lock and key until all games on that site have closed (especially on a site with late swap).

    The fact that ownership data was available to anyone while those contests were still running, whether or not they are allowed to play on the site, what’s to stop them from sharing that data with other people who can play on that site, and who can use that data to gain a competitive advantage, no matter how small that advantage may be.

    Let me be very clear that I am not accusing Ethan of sharing this data with anyone, and that’s besides the point anyway, since the onus shouldn’t be on Ethan to safeguard DK’s data, DK should be safeguarding their own data by not giving out the access to begin with.

    The argument that you shouldn’t let these employees play on other DFS sites is kind of preposterous, since what’s the point of having DFS analysts that don’t play DFS. If you want to make the argument that the DFS sites shouldn’t be in the business of giving out Fantasy Sports advice, I couldn’t agree with you more, but it seems as if that ship has already sailed.

    The simple fact is Fantasy Sports all comes down to information. The more information any one person has access to the better decisions they can make about their lineups. I think it’s great when the sites do things to level the playing field like injury updates, we want to keep the games fun for the casual players, and there’s nothing more frustrating than a player putting up a big ol’ goose egg for you because he didn’t even play. But the sites need to be cautious, even to a fault, when it comes to who has access, and when, to any data that isn’t publicly available to the entire player pool as a whole.

  • rywilliams21

    This whole we have “zero proof” narrative is very frustrating. With all due respect stevie, no one has any proof on what actually happened except for DK and Ethan. I agree we shouldn’t necessarily call Ethan a cheater but you are only making the situation worse with those types of comments.

  • bedwards

    Check out @draftcheat timeline on Twitter.

    There is a disconnect in perception of this issue between the haves and the have nots in the DFS community.

  • MikeMineo

    again, I think the discussion shouldn’t be whether or not Ethan used the data this week (he won; the contest is settled; that’s over – thinking forward now).

    instead, the large issue is his potential role in – according to DK – being the ONLY person with access to data like ownership % and lineups.

    now let’s just assume Ethan is as trustworthy as is implied, and he isn’t selling any data. now let’s assume he left DK for another opportunity, and someone else filled Ethan’s shoes.

    how are we assured that the new employee with this access isn’t going to sell data like ownership % and maxdalury’s core?

    it’s just long-term things that we need to think about that’s entirely related to Ethan’s role, not Ethan himself.

  • stevietpfl

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    You guys are really missing the issue at hand.

    My issue here, nothing has been answered but the sites saying they aren’t allowing this to happen.

    The issue here back to my post on page 3.

    “I see a lot that happens with this industry, and I spend more time on these forums than anyone else.

    I think a few questions need to be answered before we all start making accusations.

    1. When was Ethan given this info (by the sounds of it, it was after the 1pm lock).
    2. Who is seeing lineups and player percentages on these sites before lock.
    3. What are sites doing to prevent this info from getting out.”

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