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  • colinwdrew

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    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • peachfuzz

    • Blogger of the Month

    @realdeals said...

    You’re right. Forte, etc were bad examples on my part. Black Unicorn was a good one though. I really had no idea what his % would be once Cutler was announced as starting early Sun morning vs the worst team at covering a TE. For example, if I knew he shot over 30% I wouldn’t have had him on as many teams as I did. If I knew he was only going to be 14.5% like he was, I would have put him in more Lus. I thought he’d be At least in the 20s.
    MLB and NBA it is probably a bigger issue. How many times do we have to decide lebron or durant thoughout the season?

    I agree that MLB, and NBA would be affected most by this.

    That’s what concerns me considering I am by far more of an NBA player than any other game.

  • Syko

    None of you are ever going to be happy. You’re mad because only some insiders had ownership% information but they made it available to everyone for UFC the other night and even let you edit your lineups late but still you complained.

  • bowens1984

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • RG Season Champion: NBA

    @QQSTUKIE said...

    hit forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2015/10/05/fanduel-and-draftkings-have-some-explaining-to-do/?utm_source=followingimmediate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20151005

    That article claimed Cal discovered Ethan had the info before lock which is the exact opposite of what was said in this thread. Tired of these articles being written with incorrect facts.

  • Barbarian

    • RG Season Long Champion: NBA

    @QQSTUKIE said...

    hit forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2015/10/05/fanduel-and-draftkings-have-some-explaining-to-do/?utm_source=followingimmediate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20151005

    … at least it is not a clearly negative article

  • periewe

    @hokie2009 said...

    Boom!

    Until FD or DK makes changes I think all future comments are going to go in circles around this same point.

    Really could just wipe the thread and sticky this and call it a day! ;-)

    Literally couldn’t have said it better myself. /thread

    What really concerns me is that FD locked down the ownership levels a year or 2 ago for what we thought was for the players but it makes it look like they did it for their employees……

    I understand FD and DK want all good press/marketing but they really need to address this quickly.

  • einars

    @bowens1984 said...

    That article claimed Cal discovered Ethan had the info before lock which is the exact opposite of what was said in this thread. Tired of these articles being written with incorrect facts.

    yay for articles with blatant lies

  • tbird05

    Its funny because the RG guy has been trying to downplay it and the writer on Forbes totally botched what Cal has posted in this thread.

    I’m sure Forbes will be getting a phone call from RG.

  • rsigler65

    @jhorst52 said...

    i like sports, money, bars, friends, girls and DFS.

    Don’t forget sandwiches!

  • CUTiger81

    Honestly…I don’t want to hear the excuse that “sites couldn’t get good employees who are passionate about DFS to work for them if they couldn’t play on other sites.” A) maybe it’s a good thing to have programmers and the like who don’t care about DFS. B) money talks, and these sites are making gobs of it. Compensate your employees properly to account for their inability to participate in and DFS sites and they won’t care. I, for one, have a problem with a DK programmer involved in player pricing who has access to ownership % data playing on FD. It reeks.

  • LarryLegend33

    @nysos10 said...

    Before you jump to defend ‘Ethan’, what are the odds of winning four ‘Grand Slams’ in 35 days like he did? What are the odds of even one grand slam in a season, if not ever?

    I actually did an entire post that detailed this but it got deleted because apparently facts are scary.

    He won in 4 in a 35 day span (39 days minus the 4 day All-Star break). Based on tournament size, the odds would be in the ten thousands to 1 (assuming he had a 1% chance to win each which is a stretch since it would involve a lot of entries and a massive skill advantage) or millions to 1 (assuming smaller multiple entry and a significant skill edge)

    It is incredibly unlikely, especially when you consider that there were several other days in July and August with other outright wins and/or top 1% finishes in major tournaments PLUS the NFL $350k win.

    So whether or not anything was or was not going on, the point is access to insider info plus improbable odds that lead to financial gain is a bad mix. Of course people are going to be suspicious. Deleting posts that actual discuss the facts and the probability while leaving the conjecture makes it seem like anyone who questions is wearing a ‘tin foil hat’.

    DK/FD need to make decisions about how they handle their credibility. Please don’t get dragged in to that discussion by deleting posts that present the facts rationally.

  • dncolonna

    @bowens1984 said...

    That article claimed Cal discovered Ethan had the info before lock which is the exact opposite of what was said in this thread. Tired of these articles being written with incorrect facts.

    The article also goes on to say “Many of the players listed on the “percentage owned” page were taking part in real games that had yet to begin, and thus, DraftKings users could adjust their lineups based on the provided data.”

    I understand there are a lot of unanswered questions, but does anyone know if this actually did happen and is in fact true. Probably hard to quantify or even know for sure who used the data because they saw it and who was just utilizing the late swap feature as it was originally intended,

  • bigticket

    Does anyone remember the early days of Draftday when the site owners would play in the GPPs…People got upset and rightfully so and a few weeks in they refrained from playing in the guaranteed contests. Obviously a bit off topic but I hope there is more disclosure in all of these issues going on and I’m unhappy with the DK generic statement. I’m sure there lawyers have prepped them not to say much at this point. Makes sense to me because I can see lawsuits arising from all of this shadiness. They are scrambling to cover their asses.

  • boombox150

    First of all, all the people saying they know Ethan and don’t believe he would cheat are ignoring the amount of money involved in all of this. We’re all playing this for money. And with that amount of money at your fingertips you absolutely right he would cheat. We all would take that advantage wherever we could. These aren’t pennies we gambling for. These are major dollars at play.

    I think that’s what’s being forgotten in all of this. This is a gambling racket. That’s all it is. There is no integrity here. Just folks out to take your money. What we need to do is get what we can while we can. This isn’t going to last in it’s current state. Not by a long shot. Just get yours while the gettin is good.

  • srolleDFS

    @LarryLegend33 said...

    Of course people are going to be suspicious. Deleting posts that actual discuss the facts and the probability while leaving the conjecture makes it seem like anyone who questions is wearing a ‘tin foil hat’.

    you are wearing a tin foil hat. and you aren’t alone on this thread.

    you are attacking random people because they won. this whole thread has turned into a mob.

    the rg conspiracy gumshoe club has spun itself out of control.

    brokerage firms know all their customers trades all of the time. they know because its their job to clear them. the world hasnt ended. lots of employees know all this information in real time.

  • sutogame

    Why are employees of FD and DK allowed to play on other sites?
    They are getting a salary+ benefits.

    Casual players are not.

    Why hasn’t DK and FD made a statement today that their employees can no longer play on sites?
    It’s not rocket science

  • hlyght10

    • Ranked #97

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    I couldn’t agree more LarryLegend33, I don’t care how good someone is you don’t win that many tournaments and have that many top finishes without having an unfair advantage. People are going to sit back and say he wouldn’t cheat and this and that, but when that much money is on the line why wouldn’t someone. Having access to information before lineups lock and then using it to your advantage is the biggest, cheapest, dirtiest thing you can do, he should be fired and so should everyone else giving out information to friends and family. It is so bad for the industry to see the same people constantly winning and then you see they work for this site or that site and are getting information that is not available to the general public. If you work for a DFS company you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLAY, its as simple as that. Max entries, leaking information, and scripts are ruining the industry. These top guys have a clear advantage over everyone else and its getting more and more ridiculous.

  • sutogame

    DK and FD would rather allow their rival employees to play on their sites then satisfy the masses?
    Really

  • sutogame

    If one of these employees wins the fd or dk ffwc this will get real bad and perhaps shutdown.
    The loophole neds to be closed.

  • realdeals

    @Syko said...

    None of you are ever going to be happy. You’re mad because only some insiders had ownership% information but they made it available to everyone for UFC the other night and even let you edit your lineups late but still you complained.

    This doesn’t makes any sense to me. I read this as you don’t care if some insiders have ownership %s.
    Not familiar with the UFC situation. But having scripts that can change hundreds of lus and real time %s is not what I would like to see.
    No scripts and real time %s would be cool with me.

  • Priptonite

    • Blogger of the Month

    Can anyone link to one of these DK ownership articles?

  • MikeMineo

    @sutogame said...

    DK and FD would rather allow their rival employees to play on their sites then satisfy the masses?

    they are both reliant on one another, so the collaborative response is far from surprising.

    if DK has a huge mishap in the press and it acquires the public perception of being shady and corrupt, then you can bet that FD is going to be associated similarly by the public even if they had nothing to do with, because their product is identical to the average consumer.

    the public’s feelings toward DK is directly correlated to their feelings toward FD and vice versa.

    they are perfectly content being the two main players in the industry and both FD and DK have incentive to look out for the other one due to PR potential alone.

  • srolleDFS

    @hlyght10 said...

    I couldn’t agree more LarryLegend33, I don’t care how good someone is you don’t win that many tournaments and have that many top finishes without having an unfair

    yes you can. he probably got lucky. what your saying makes literally zero sense.

    stop trying to destroy people’s lives.

  • madmanjayWV

    @bowens1984 said...

    That article claimed Cal discovered Ethan had the info before lock which is the exact opposite of what was said in this thread. Tired of these articles being written with incorrect facts.

    Not to be a prick and I love RG here and I enjoy playing DFS, but where is “THE PROOF” — I’ve seen nothing either way or from either side (Ethan or DK) that shows irrefutable proof one way or the other. Maybe I’m missing something, but I sure haven’t seen anything.

    I was hoping DK would’ve cleared this up today, but knew better than to expect anything of the such.

    It’s like trying to get the official list of DFS users granted “express written permission from FD” to dominate (in theory) using scripts.

    This whole ordeal is now over with. There is zero advantage for DK to say anything else. Now we just await the next snafu.

  • hlyght10

    • Ranked #97

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    Agreed he is making legitimate points, if somebody went on that kind of heater and didn’t work for a site and have inside information then that’s skill, using information that is not available to everyone else is CHEATING. Call it what you want, say he is a good guy, when someone is making $100,000+ constantly for weeks when he never did before then something is fishy and something needs to be done. You don’t go from an average player to constantly winning over night. All these top dogs just somehow keep winning you don’t do that unless you have an unfair advantage. DFS is getting to big to fast and all these companies only care about money they could care less about 10-50 players winning every contest every night its BS!

  • srolleDFS

    @madmanjayWV said...

    Not to be a prick and I love RG here and I enjoy playing DFS, but where is “THE PROOF” — I’ve seen nothing either way or from either side (Ethan or DK) that shows irrefutable proof one way or the other. Maybe I’m missing something, but I sure haven’t seen anything.

    there’s not any “evidence” any happened. its very unlikely any of the things being alleged are true. its ridiculous to conclude a conspiracy is likely without any evidence of it existing.

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