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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • coqburn

    @MikeMineo said...

    did I imply the world was ending?

    I’m making valid points about potential corruption occurring due to unregulation.

    and now you’re comparing the DFS industry to another industry also ripe with corruption.

    I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, nor do I see how 9/11 is relevant to this.

    The trolls are strong….

    Anyone who cannot see the issue should not be part of the conversation. This is a problem on several levels, whether he used it or not.

  • bluestooges

    Even if he was guilty of everything threats against someone is way way too far. …..Imagine if he actually didn’t do anything wrong? There have been many cases of people that were convicted of crimes only to find out later they were innocent and their lives were ruined (Steven Truscott for example).

  • MikeMineo

    yeah, I don’t think I can get my brain cells back either.

    9/11 reference? check.

    accusing me of saying the world is ending when I’m talking about a topic I’m passionate about, about how lack of regulation is no good in the long-term, since it provides employees the temptation to sell lucrative data to high rollers that will pay top $$ for a competitive advantage? check.

    attempting to sympathize with the DFS companies by comparing it to a corrupt and “boys club” industry like hedge funds? check.

    keep em coming man. trying to make me appear as a conspiracy theorist isn’t really going to work when the points I’m making are objectively true. I have used no hyperbole whatsoever; my discussion concerns the potential implications of no regulations, one of which is an employee potentially selling data.

  • srolleDFS

    @dude_abides7 said...

    With respect, if there wasn’t anything here the “Big 2” sites would not be teaming up for press releases and major industry publications wouldn’t be typing up articles as we speak. (They are)

    i think they are teaming up because there are some that would like to make dfs illegal. one particular powerful old man that owns casinos sees dfs as a strategic threat to his businesses. he is also very politically connected. they’ve been teaming up for a long time.

    wouldnt u prefer them team up? seems like a way to establish some reasonable standards in the industry. otherwise the government will do it for them. that could be terrible, or just fine, but its a risk no one wants to take.

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    Regardless of what was or wasn’t done, this has grown into a monster. The industry already has government reps wanting to look into it. The sites need to satisfactorily nip this in the bud before a major sponsor like ESPN (or pro sports league) decides it’s become too risky to be associated with any longer.

  • nysos10

    @hambazaza said...

    where is this idea that he’s never “won before” coming from? Ethan has actually had success for a long time, not at the same levels he’s had this summer…

    Do you have proof? If so, please disclose it.

  • coqburn

    @srolleDFS said...

    i think they are teaming up because there are some that would like to make dfs illegal. one particular powerful old man that owns casinos sees dfs as a strategic threat to his businesses. he is also very politically connected. they’ve been teaming up for a long time.

    wouldnt u prefer them team up? seems like a way to establish some reasonable standards in the industry. otherwise the government will do it for them. that could be terrible, or just fine, but its a risk no one wants to take.

    So now its a conspiracy from the other side???? 1/10 troll get out.

  • LarryLegend33

    Seems a few have made suggestion about my posts that I think are off base.

    I have zero idea of whether or not Ethan or others cheated. I do feel that the results are suspicious. Credibility is critical and they are losing it fast. The industry needs to take the high road here so they are beyond reproach.

    I want to be clear in what I think should be done:

    1. Employees should not be allowed to play on other sites.

    Whether or not using inside info has occurred, there is clear value to it whether it is ownership percentages or lineups of top players. If an employee has a lucky result or a string of improbably results, people have a right to question.

    2. Security

    I have no idea what protocols exist or don’t exist, but this data needs to be more secure and the companies need to detail at least at a high level what those protocols are. There are standards across numerous industries that have financial accounts that could easily be adopted to ensure this info is secure.

    3. Regulation

    I hate to say it but I think it will benefit the industry long term. There is a lack of transparency and there are millions at stake each week and there is no impartial authority here. It will be imperfect and there are downsides, but every day I think it is more and more necessary.

    4. Investigation

    DK/FD and others should do a full and immediate investigation and appropriately discipline any employee where there has been impropriety.

    5. Transparency

    The industry needs to work to be more open. Delayed responses and generic statements don’t cut it. What are the policies? What are the steps being taken? Who does security audits?

  • mellofellowsu

    @boombox150 said...

    I believe the poster that suggested this (forgive me I forget where in the thread it was mentioned) had the best solution:

    Make the ownership percentages available to everybody in real time. As soon as you submit your lineup you get the current percentages. Then if you edit it you get the updated percentages. Only way to make it fair across the board.

    This is unpopular for obvious reasons, but it’s the most practical solution to the issue. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced this will inevitably be implemented. As long as some people have access to this information, this issue will rear its head again and again. Until regulatory bodies are a reality, banning employees from DFS is not enforceable.

    People say real-time ownership percentages will remove the skill. I disagree and believe that pros could still make this system work to their advantage. Pros could pump up player numbers to bait-and-switch the public if some are prone to chasing around big percentages. I believe that new strategies would arise that would make the contests all the more compelling, while achieving transparency that the industry needs.

  • srolleDFS

    @MikeMineo said...

    accusing me of saying the world is ending when I’m talking about a topic I’m passionate about, about how lack of regulation is no good in the long-term, since it provides employees the temptation to sell lucrative data to high rollers that will pay top $$ for a competitive advantage? check.

    im sorry. didnt realize you’d be so sensitive. :(((

  • letterj007

    @nysos10 said...

    Do you have proof? If so, please disclose it.

    This. Because everything I see points to a series of wins in large GPP’s THIS summer.

  • JimmyTango

    @srolleDFS said...

    otherwise the government will do it for them. that could be terrible, or just fine, but its a risk no one wants to take.

    I think consumers would be more than happy to take that “risk.” Industries setting their own regulatory standards rarely benefits the consumer.

  • coqburn

    @mellofellowsu said...

    This is unpopular for obvious reasons, but it’s the most practical solution to the issue. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced this will inevitably be implemented. As long as some people have access to this information, this issue will rear its head again and again. Until regulatory bodies are a reality, banning employees from DFS is not enforceable.

    People say real-time ownership percentages will remove the skill. I disagree and believe that pros could still make this system work to their advantage. Pros could pump up player numbers to bait-and-switch the public if some are prone to chasing around big percentages. I believe that new strategies would arise that would make the contests all the more compelling, while achieving transparency that the industry needs.

    Its not just that. It is what other info they have access to. When you can see H2H opponents LUs something is very off. We have NO IDEA what they have access to, that is part of the issue. But the fact that this kind of info got out is not very inspiring.

  • MikeMineo

    @LarryLegend33 said...

    LarryLegend33

    all of this. based on your thoughts in this thread I wish you had some sort of power position in the industry, because it seems those in charge are completely ignoring how important it is to the livelihood of the DFS industry to adapt most of these you listed, instead of looking at short-term profit and satisfying the top 0.5%.

  • tbird05

    @mellofellowsu said...

    This is unpopular for obvious reasons, but it’s the most practical solution to the issue. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced this will inevitably be implemented. As long as some people have access to this information, this issue will rear its head again and again. Until regulatory bodies are a reality, banning employees from DFS is not enforceable.

    People say real-time ownership percentages will remove the skill. I disagree and believe that pros could still make this system work to their advantage. Pros could pump up player numbers to bait-and-switch the public if some are prone to chasing around big percentages. I believe that new strategies would arise that would make the contests all the more compelling, while achieving transparency that the industry needs.

    Pump…bait and switch….That sounds horrible lol. Please never do this DK/FD

  • MikeMineo

    @srolleDFS said...

    im sorry. didnt realize you’d be so sensitive. :(((

    the majority of users who don’t receive VIP treatment from DK are, indeed, sensitive about this topic. thanks for the observation.

  • madmanjayWV

    @lpk8787 said...

    Its crazy how fast this has gotten out of control. I wish we had some proof from DK showing its impossible for Ethan to get % owned info before lock. Social media is getting rabid to the point of making threats towards him. Anytime there is potential cheating and peoples money is involved, its becomes dangerous for the accused. A bit absurd some of the threats being directed his way.

    That’s what I was trying to get at earlier ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ “I WISH WE HAD SOME PROOF FROM DK”….

    Cal is a stand-up dude here at RG from any dealings I’ve ever had and what I know about him. However, Cal is saying that it didn’t happen b4 lock, which is great, awesome fine and dandy.

    Now, how about someone with the ability to do so ~~ here’s looking at YOU DRAFT KINGS ~~ show the general public the proof of this.

    I have no idea how the info was delivered to ETHAN or if he just “accessed it himself” — I’m sure with today’s computer technology it wouldn’t be hard to prove. But, I suppose I could be wrong. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, but evidently it is. Perhaps it’s just not feasible, but DK never touched on the subject matter whatsoever.

    ALSO, for anyone who knows – -when did DK pass FD as the #1 DFS site? I know the last quarterly report, or I thought, from FD said they still owned a vast majority of the market share….not sure how that’s determined either way but I didn’t realize it —- http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4548/draftkings-data-leak-faq/

    If u r just getting into this thread…..taker a gander at that from yesterday ^^^^^^^^

  • coqburn

    @letterj007 said...

    This. Because everything I see points to a series of wins THIS summer.

    Making assumptions. Yes it is a coincidence, but I went on a similar heater this summer (was all garbage before). When you are GPP heavy variance is part of the game. Not saying this is that but that it is easily possible this is all a coincidence. Lots of data supporting either or.

  • dude_abides7

    @srolleDFS said...

    i think they are teaming up because there are some that would like to make dfs illegal.

    The enemy right now is not the Attorney General that wants to shut them down, it is their loyal user base that feels bamboozled, taken advantage of and lied to. This is how they posture when dealing with their paying customers? We want DFS to be open for business, honest and fair. We want the sites to make their money and grow (its the American way) but at the same time not be best buds with the industries leading bankroll players. We want it to at least appear that they want to create an enjoyable environment for all, not just by them saying so, but by their actions.

    If you can’t separate ^this from ‘tin foil conspiracy’ then maybe it’s you that is wearing the hat.

  • mellofellowsu

    @tbird05 said...

    Pump…bait and switch….That sounds horrible lol. Please never do this DK/FD

    Just trying to put a positive spin on something I think’s going to happen anyway.

    Other solutions being offered aren’t very realistic in the industry’s current state.

  • phillygamecox

    full disclosure – i am in no possession of a pitch fork at this time. Simple question since I didn’t see the time his article was posted last week – do we know what time it posted? I thought I saw someone say it was posted at 2pm, but would like clarification. If it indeed was 2pm, I would assume this info would have been passed along prior to the article being posted – I doubt somebody gets the info, writes it immediately and gets it posted within minutes. Again, without details on WHEN access was granted or some specific details from DK, this is what we have to work with. Goes back to my last point – I understand being loyal, but unless any of the RG staff or close friends of his knows EXACTLY when this info was divulged – we can’t say 100% this did/did not happen.

  • coqburn

    @madmanjayWV said...

    That’s what I was trying to get at earlier ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ “I WISH WE HAD SOME PROOF FROM DK”….

    Cal is a stand-up dude here at RG from any dealings I’ve ever had and what I know about him. However, Cal is saying that it didn’t happen b4 lock, which is great, awesome fine and dandy.

    Now, how about someone with the ability to do so ~~ here’s looking at YOU DRAFT KINGS ~~ show the general public the proof of this.

    I have no idea how the info was delivered to ETHAN or if he just “accessed it himself” — I’m sure with today’s computer technology it wouldn’t be hard to prove. But, I suppose I could be wrong. I don’t think that’s too much to ask, but evidently it is. Perhaps it’s just not feasible, but DK never touched on the subject matter whatsoever.

    ALSO, for anyone who knows – -when did DK pass FD as the #1 DFS site? I know the last quarterly report, or I thought, from FD said they still owned a vast majority of the market share….not sure how that’s determined either way but I didn’t realize it —- http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4548/draftkings-data-leak-faq/

    If u r just getting into this thread…..taker a gander at that from yesterday ^^^^^^^^

    And here is the problem and the big red flag in my opinion. If you want to stop the shitstorm you can, show the proof. When things like this get to this point without resolve, for the most part it usually is bad.

    WE NEED TRANSPARENCY FROM THE SITES or this will burn on and on.

    But just like the NFL, all the damage this summer, will mean nothing once the rosters lock….sad.

  • srolleDFS

    @coqburn said...

    So now its a conspiracy from the other side???? 1/10 troll get out.

    dfs threatens traditional casinos, particularly sports books. its disruptive. legacy industries always try not to lose business to new competing business models. im not alleging anything untoward going on, just that businesses compete in many different ways.

  • coqburn

    @srolleDFS said...

    dfs threatens traditional casinos, particularly sports books. its disruptive. legacy industries always try not to lose business to new competing business models. im not alleging anything untoward going on, just that businesses compete in many different ways.

    You were insinuating the NJ gov office or someone involved tried to fabricate this cheating thing.

    Also, the casinos are not scared about their business, they are pissed because they want a cut…..

  • letterj007

    Bart HubbuchVerified account ‏@BartHubbuch 20h20 hours ago
    DraftKings employee might have used inside info to win $350K on FanDuel. More shadiness from the daily fantasy world.
    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4548/draftkings-data-leak-faq/ …

    It’s gaining traction…

    Hubbuch is an NFL writer/columnist for the New York Post.

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