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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

    @hambazaza said...

    where is this idea that he’s never “won before” coming from? Ethan has actually had success for a long time, not at the same levels he’s had this summer… but the tournaments are also MASSIVLY bigger this summer than they were even a year ago. in 2014 the $25 tournament on FD awarded close to 12-15K a night to first place. this year? almost consistently 50-60K a night. the industry has gotten bigger, so obviously your best results will be more recent because they are worth more.

    Please explain how the larger size of the fields and cash awarded makes it less likely something was fishy when he’s winning 4 grand slams in a month. That makes zero sense. You’re proving the opposite point.

  • srolleDFS

    @dude_abides7 said...

    The enemy right now is not the Attorney General that wants to shut them down, it is their loyal user base that feels bamboozled, taken advantage of and lied to. This is how they posture when dealing with their paying customers? We want DFS to be open for business, honest and fair. We want the sites to make their money and grow (its the American way) but at the same time not be best buds with the industries best players. We want it to at least appear that they want to create an enjoyable environment for all, not just by them saying so, but by their actions.

    If you can’t separate ^this from ‘tin foil conspiracy’ then maybe it’s you that is wearing the hat.

    i disagree with you. dfs is still illegal in a number of states. and in others its legality is based on nuance.

    im not against making dfs better. im just against people trying to imply or accuse random people like Ethan or petrgibbons of maybe being cheaters, based on nothing.

  • srolleDFS

    @coqburn said...

    You were insinuating the NJ gov office or someone involved tried to fabricate this cheating thing.

    no im not. i think we both agree that NJ fabricating cheating allegations would be ridiculous.

  • einars

    @AndThisGuyPeedOnIt said...

    Please explain how the larger size of the fields and cash awarded makes it less likely something was fishy when he’s winning 4 grand slams in a month. That makes zero sense. You’re proving the opposite point.

    his point was you dont see prior wins on his profile because more recent wins are bigger and therefore supplant prior wins on the “top wins” section of your RG profile

  • Avgplayer

    DraftKings show us when Ethan received the % for the millionaire maker. There are so many ?‘s concerning access on both sites and you really can’t ease all of our concerns. But come on it is so easy for you to SHOW US when he received it.

  • AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

    @einars said...

    his point was you dont see prior wins on his profile because more recent wins are bigger and therefore supplant prior wins on the “top wins” section of your RG profile

    How does that explain away his winning four grand slams in a month? He just got really astronomically mathematically lucky now that the game is much, much harder?

  • Jordan10293

    Wow

  • einars

    @AndThisGuyPeedOnIt said...

    How does that explain away his winning four grand slams in a month? He just got really astronomically mathematically lucky now that the game is much, much harder?

    he was contradicting the narrative that ethan had never won before (which people were saying because all his top wins on his profile were recent) by pointing out that prior year wins wouldnt apppear

  • dude_abides7

    @srolleDFS said...

    dfs threatens traditional casinos, particularly sports books. its disruptive. legacy industries always try not to lose business to new competing business models. im not alleging anything untoward going on, just that businesses compete in many different ways.

    DFS is threatening itself by allowing unwise business practices. A potential multi-billion dollar industry is churning with zero internal/external oversight to protect private information that should never see the light of day. A mid-level employee made a request for data that he had no right having at the time it was received and worse off, it was given to him in the first place.

    DK needs more than a slap on the wrist here. They need a slap in the face to wake them up. How does this even happen?

  • phillygamecox

    @Avgplayer said...

    DraftKings show us when Ethan received the % for the millionaire maker. There are so many ?‘s concerning access on both sites and you really can’t ease all of our concerns. But come on it is so easy for you to SHOW US when he received it.

    kinda to my point – just trying to see when he had access. Does anybody know what time the article was posted? Again, you have to deduce that the info was passed on before the article became live, so it would be helpful to know the exact time of post.

  • mrchuffy

    @dude_abides7 said...

    DFS is threatening itself by allowing unwise business practices. A potential multi-billion dollar industry is churning with zero internal/external oversight to protect private information that should never see the light of day. A mid-level employee made a request for data that he had no right having at the time it was received and worse off, it was given to him in the first place.

    DK needs more than a slap on the wrist here. They need a slap in the face to wake them up. How does this even happen?

    This is exactly the problem. How many other employees could easily request this info? These are the questions we want answers to. DK and FD saying they have the proper checks in place is not good enough because they clearly don’t.

  • reztes757

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    @Avgplayer said...

    DraftKings show us when Ethan received the % for the millionaire maker. There are so many ?‘s concerning access on both sites and you really can’t ease all of our concerns. But come on it is so easy for you to SHOW US when he received it.

    Shouldn’t we be more concerned with the person that sent Ethan the info and what protocols were in place to make sure this info wasn’t sent to others? Or better yet, why any dk employee should be able to see ownership percentages on a contest that isn’t completely locked

  • grover123

    So this will definitely have me hesaint to put big money in.I play very low steaks right now but just to try to get a feel.IV only been playing NFL for s little while.but now I will not put alot of my money into a industry w that is unregulated and I think this is bad for the industry. I’m a big fan and I will keep playing but i will be very weary of what I put in knowing more likely then not there are ppl with an unfair advantage.

  • hambazaza

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    @AndThisGuyPeedOnIt said...

    Please explain how the larger size of the fields and cash awarded makes it less likely something was fishy when he’s winning 4 grand slams in a month. That makes zero sense. You’re proving the opposite point.

    no, the argument that was made was that his biggest scores have all come this year, i’m proving the opposite of that.

    so did mcjester cheat when he won 12 $25 tournaments on fd? did cards cheat when he went on a massive run in 2014 as well in mlb? please man, there is no need to turn everything into a witch hunt. yes, the data shouldn’t have been available. and yes, i think the sites need to do more to earn our trust regarding this matter. no, i don’t think ethan cheated his way to his success. to imply that is to say that since ive never won a GPP there is 0 chance of me ever winning one, and if i do, then its because i got inside info? unreal man.

  • srolleDFS

    @dude_abides7 said...

    DFS is threatening itself by allowing unwise business practices. A potential multi-billion dollar industry is churning with zero internal/external oversight to protect private information that should never see the light of day. A mid-level employee made a request for data that he had no right having at the time it was received and worse off, it was given to him in the first place.

    DK needs more than a slap on the wrist here. They need a slap in the face to wake them up. How does this even happen?

    i think people lose the sight of the fact that is are acutally pretty small companies (headcount-wise) that have experienced ridiculous growth (revenue-wise). i generally agree with alot of the policy ideas (the ones not attached to personal attacks) on this thread. stuff like this isnt necessary when you are giving away $5k to the big winner, but as the money gets bigger so does the spotlight. and the hit pieces are coming. tis going to become of a business necessity to get out front. the risk that the sites get shut down is alot scarier for the employees of the companies (who have most of their net worth locked up in stock options) than anyone on this thread. if they dont make some changes, they are idiots. i dont think they are idiots. but its going to take more than 48 hours to deisgn and implement the stuff that everyone knows they need to implement.

  • dude_abides7

    @srolleDFS said...

    i disagree with you. dfs is still illegal in a number of states. and in others its legality is based on nuance.

    im not against making dfs better. im just against people trying to imply or accuse random people like Ethan or petrgibbons of maybe being cheaters, based on nothing.

    The Govt is not going to step in and shut DFS down because of attacks on Ethan. They are going to step in and shut DFS down because the sites have proved they can’t be trusted with the responsibility of keeping it a “game of skill”.

  • Agent47

    As a fan of DFS, I sure hope that nothing sinister was going on and that this is all just a big misunderstanding. But I completely understand why people would be suspicious when this guy had 2 big wins the same day that this information was leaked. I’m not accusing him of anything since I don’t have all the facts but at the very least it looks and smells funny, even if it is just a coincidence.

    That being said, if it’s discovered that cheating did take place, I would hope that DK acknowledges it, takes the appropriate disciplinary action, and installs the necessary safeguards to prevent it from happening again rather than just sweeping it under the rug and hoping everyone forgets about it.

    As someone who is definitely not a “pro” by any stretch and has managed some decent/good nights playing DFS (not life-changing money, but something I can be happy with), I’m confident that I’m not completely throwing money away by playing and will continue to do so. If the fallout from a story like this one leads to efforts/regulations to improve the security procedures of these sites and reduces/eliminates the prospects of cheating, I believe it will be good for the industry and the players that support it in the long run.

  • dude_abides7

    @srolleDFS said...

    i dont think they are idiots. but its going to take more than 48 hours to deisgn and implement the stuff that everyone knows they need to implement.

    Yeah, and maybe they should have worked on that protocol before they decided to spend 30 million a week on advertising for 4 straight weeks. I am no Warren Buffet, but I would have been willing to give them that advice pro bono.

  • bluestooges

    @hambazaza said...

    no, the argument that was made was that his biggest scores have all come this year, i’m proving the opposite of that.

    so did mcjester cheat when he won 12 $25 tournaments on fd? did cards cheat when he went on a massive run in 2014 as well in mlb? please man, there is no need to turn everything into a witch hunt. yes, the data shouldn’t have been available. and yes, i think the sites need to do more to earn our trust regarding this matter. no, i don’t think ethan cheated his way to his success. to imply that is to say that since ive never won a GPP there is 0 chance of me ever winning one, and if i do, then its because i got inside info? unreal man.

    very valid points across the board. It is possible and even presented people going on heaters for sure. Does it at the very least call into question when someone does with possible inside info absolutely. Not everyone who goes on a streak is cheating, but to say that no one would ever cheat is not true( I am not saying you are saying this). DFS is too large to assume no one ever cheats. …Having said that people are going after this guy like there is no way he didn’t cheat which sucks if it turns out he didn’t.

  • letterj007

    @bluestooges said...

    very valid points across the board. It is possible and even presented people going on heaters for sure. Does it at the very least call into question when someone does with possible inside info absolutely. Not everyone who goes on a streak is cheating, but to say that no one would ever cheat is not true( I am not saying you are saying this). DFS is too large to assume no one ever cheats. …Having said that people are going after this guy like there is no way he didn’t cheat which sucks if it turns out he didn’t.

    “Having said that people are going after this guy like there is no way he didn’t cheat which sucks if it turns out he didn’t..”

    Then he or Draft Kings should just provide the info to ensure to the general public that he didn’t. It isn’t rocket science…there’s smoke here, and it can easily be quelled.

  • JimmyTango

    @hambazaza said...

    so did mcjester cheat when he won 12 $25 tournaments on fd? did cards cheat when he went on a massive run in 2014 as well in mlb?

    Did they? Honestly, who can know for sure anymore? This kind of scandal calls everything into question — and that’s the problem. It’s the worst possible scenario for a DFS industry trying to make a big push into the mainstream.

  • srolleDFS

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Yeah, and maybe they should have worked on that protocol before they decided to spend 30 million a week on advertising for 4 straight weeks. I am no Warren Buffet, but I would have been willing to give them that advice pro bono.

    yea……..

  • Heterodox

    @hambazaza said...

    no, the argument that was made was that his biggest scores have all come this year, i’m proving the opposite of that.

    so did mcjester cheat when he won 12 $25 tournaments on fd? did cards cheat when he went on a massive run in 2014 as well in mlb? please man, there is no need to turn everything into a witch hunt.

    I totally get where you’re coming from considering the backlash potential for someone you must have a high level of respect for to be taking such a strong and unrelenting stand in defense of, but I consider your tactics here to be disingenuous. None of the players you mentioned PROVIDED US with reason to believe they had access to privileged information. You use incendiary phrases like “witch-hunt” which have no place in this discussion, and you justify it by pointing to accusations “without proof”. Questions are not accusations, and you don’t need proof to ask them. All you need is reasonable suspicion, which we undoubtedly have thanks to Ethan himself.

  • mellofellowsu

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Yeah, and maybe they should have worked on that protocol before they decided to spend 30 million a week on advertising for 4 straight weeks. I am no Warren Buffet, but I would have been willing to give them that advice pro bono.

    Well I’ve been bashing DK for this slip up as well, but every expanding business has growing pains. I’m not going to get on them with the “well they should’ve known.” Sometimes you can only fix something once a problem is identified. Every system has bugs and they need to work the bugs out.

    Now if it’s a year or two years from now and these same types of issues (not different issues) are coming up then there’s a big problem. I’ll give them a chance to demonstrate that they’ve learned their lesson from this. I would hope that internally this matter isn’t considered resolved on their end.

  • hambazaza

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    @bluestooges said...

    very valid points across the board. It is possible and even presented people going on heaters for sure. Does it at the very least call into question when someone does with possible inside info absolutely. Not everyone who goes on a streak is cheating, but to say that no one would ever cheat is not true( I am not saying you are saying this). DFS is too large to assume no one ever cheats. …Having said that people are going after this guy like there is no way he didn’t cheat which sucks if it turns out he didn’t.

    i think if you say he cheated, then that means everybody who’s ever won more than a tournament a month has cheated. is that realistic? I don’t think it is.

    I don’t know what Ethan did with the data, and frankly it doesn’t change anything for me. What changes things for me is whether or not the site is protecting sensitive data and how they are protecting it to maintain an even playing field.

    For that, I am disappointed we haven’t heard more, but I trust that with positive discussions we can, as a community, bring about at least a two-way communication stream that is currently non-existent. And it won’t exist until those that are out for witch hunts settle down a bit and allow things to be discussed.

    I don’t know what was done, and what wasn’t done, but assuming everybody is cheating, and anybody that jumps to argue otherwise is obviously a shill in the pocket of “BIG DFS” is a tad insulting.

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