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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • dude_abides7

    @Putz said...

    No one on here or from a site has given justification for this access.

    It was to write their all-important Playbook article. That was the excuse they gave. And that makes this all the more ridiculous.

  • cpavlik

    It is not a huge assuption that all DBA’s and IT personel have read/write access to the databases at all times in order to troubleshoot problems. That means that this info and more is readily available at all times with a simple query by multiple people. If my memory isn’t playing tricks on me I belive I recieved an IT response from Ethan last nfl season the week dk went down all morning. This would lead one to suspect Ethan among others has access to this data and would not need someone to give it to him. I don’t believe it to be the only reason he won the 250k but this would be an unfair advantage.

    Also does anyone think the silence on dk part is because they don’t want the masses to know that the majority of there employees have access to these database(s). It is a little ridiculous to believe a site as large as dk only have a few people with db access.

  • Neiderman

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Those of you claiming that you can’t win if your a noob is not true. I didn’t start playing MLB until after all star break and I won a $25k gpp tourney. So it can be done. Making remarks about new players winning tourneys is off point. Stick to the point which is the confidentiality of ownership percentages… I pay DK rake in every play to keep this game fair. Well I used to pay like I said I’m done and until DK makes this right!

  • nysos10

    @detroittigers44 said...

    Coincidentally, we haven’t seen any of the big names cash top 10 in these things either.

    Except Dinkmeyer. Having listened to him give interviews, he seems like one of the most intelligent ‘public’ DFS faces. Most of the other ‘public’ faces are about as clueless as Matt Berry. My favorite line is ‘I like him in a GPP’. Very insightful.

  • detroittigers44

    Matthew Berry says he is going to eventually reveal his screen name, but as of now, I think its hidden until he actually does something decent.

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    There is some misinformation being spread around as “fact” about how lucky one has to be to win 4 grand slams in 37 days. It’s unlikely, but not nearly as unlikely as “1 in millions”.

    There are about 12000 entries in a FD grand slam. If you put in 120 lineups and everyone is exactly the same skill level, you’d have a 1% chance of winning the tournament. I’m sure Ethan had less than 120 lineups, but I’m also sure Ethan is better than the average DFS player, so let’s just call that a wash and say he has a 1% chance on any given day (it makes the maths easier in any case).

    That means if he played 100 days in a row he could expect to win the entire tournament at least once, and in fact, his chances of winning at least once in 37 days is 1 minus the chance he doesn’t win in 37 days, or 1 – .99^37, or 31%.

    The chances he wins 4 times in 37 days is then at least somewhat comparable to .31^4 or .92% (around 1 in 110). (This isn’t the exact percentage—the actual percentage is much more involved to calculate, but it’s a close enough approximation for our purposes.)

    We all concede that 1% is a really high percent chance to place on all these calculations, but anyone who is up in arms about “1 in millions” being “proof” that something fishy is going on, should re-evaluate that as part of their damning evidence.

  • einars

    @detroittigers44 said...

    Matthew Berry says he is going to eventually reveal his screen name, but as of now, I think its hidden until he actually does something decent.

    he said it on some podcast….cant remember if its was with levitan or with dan but he isnt keeping it a secret

  • Avgplayer

    @reztes757 said...

    Shouldn’t we be more concerned with the person that sent Ethan the info and what protocols were in place to make sure this info wasn’t sent to others? Or better yet, why any dk employee should be able to see ownership percentages on a contest that isn’t completely locked

    Well that is my point. If DraftKings did show us when he received it then we will want to know when the person who sent it to him have access to it and so on.

    I would assume that everyone would need some kind of approval to access that information. Who has the approval? How many have approval?

    Someone has access to everyone’s individual lineups. Who has access to them?

    The whole point for the outrage is people have access to information that can help them win our $$$. Those people should not be allowed to play on any site because our $$$ is on other sites as well.

  • detroittigers44

    I need to look that up, just curious as to what he is doing in regards to players that he “loves” on his column and how he builds his DFS lineups.

  • mellofellowsu

    @Putz said...

    Prevent employees from accessing lineups and % until contests are over. Simple. There is no need for this access. No one on here or from a site has given justification for this access.

    Agreed. Again, either no one should have it or everyone should have it. Nothing in between.

    None of this “I promise those that saw it weren’t using it inappropriately.” The reality is that if it already hasn’t been used inappropriately, SOMEONE will use it inappropriately eventually. It’s simply a matter of time.

  • reztes757

    2013 DD BLB Finalist (x2)

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    Does it bother anyone else that the decision to allow scripting was made by a bunch of guys that may have had access to last minute ownership percentages?

  • lpk8787

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I remember a thread from a few months back when ownership %‘s started changing mid game. The response regarding this came from Ethan. It’s clear he has access.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/ownership-levels-change-mid-game-763808?page=1#reply-763875

  • mrchuffy

    The issue is way more than whether Ethan used the information to his advantage or not, that is something we will probably never know.

    The real issue is why was any employee (Ethan or other) given this information in the first place?

    Obviously DK doesn’t have the proper documentation in place for how this information should be handled.

    Secondly it makes me wonder about my Driver License, SS #, Credit Cards, all the other sensitive data DK has stored in their system. How easy is this information for employees to obtain?

  • Unico10

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    @lpk8787 said...

    I remember a thread from a few months back when ownership %‘s started changing mid game. The response regarding this came from Ethan. It’s clear he has access.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/ownership-levels-change-mid-game-763808?page=1#reply-763875

    When it happened in one of the contests I was in (not that one), the response I got is that in large contests there is a lag time when there are a lot of late switches as the system needs to refresh.

  • Cal

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    Moderation Note

    Stevie and I just did a call and restored quite a few posts from a deleted state. We have a number of mods on the team that all do a great job. Every once in a while a situation like this comes along that gets a bit crazy, though. I’m able to pop in on this thread often but have a full time job keeping me busy. At different times different people are moderating and making different decisions. Stevie and I will try to be more present and consistent going forward.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Riley said...

    There is some misinformation being spread around as “fact” about how lucky one has to be to win 4 grand slams in 37 days. It’s unlikely, but not nearly as unlikely as “1 in millions”.

    There are about 12000 entries in a FD grand slam. If you put in 120 lineups and everyone was exactly the same skill level, you’d have a 1% chance of winning the tournament. I’m sure Ethan had less than 120 lineups, but I’m also sure Ethan is better than the average DFS player, so let’s just call that a wash and say he has a 1% on any given day (it makes the maths easier in any case).

    That means if he played 100 days in a row he could expect to win the entire tournament at least once, and in fact, his chances of winning at least once in 37 days is 1 minus the chance he doesn’t win in 37 days, or 1 – .99^37, or 31%.

    The chances he wins 4 times in 37 days is then at least somewhat comparable to .31^4 or .92% (around 1 in 110). (This isn’t the exact percentage—the actual percentage is much more involved to calculate, but it’s a close enough approximation for our purposes.)

    We all concede that 1% is a really high percent chance to place on all these calculations, but anyone who is up in arms about “1 in millions” being “proof” that something fishy is going on, should re-evaluate that as part of their damning evidence.

    That is fine but Ethan and how good of a player he is,is not really the problem. The problem is the credibility,or lack thereof,of the sites themselves. This is a huge problem for the community as a whole as the mere “perception” of wrongdoing will bring scrutiny down upon itself. Now,with the article in Forbes and soon to follow,other publications, State AG’s will get involved and either try to regulate it or shut it down. Is this a game of skill?

  • Gambler

    Atleast they owned up to the mistake.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @lpk8787 said...

    I remember a thread from a few months back when ownership %‘s started changing mid game. The response regarding this came from Ethan. It’s clear he has access.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/ownership-levels-change-mid-game-763808?page=1#reply-763875

    wow again—-smells like corruption to me—regulate the sites

  • dude_abides7

    @Cal said...

    Moderation Note

    Stevie and I just did a call and restored quite a few posts from a deleted state. We have a number of mods on the team that all do a great job. Every once in a while a situation like this comes along that gets a bit crazy, though. I’m able to pop in on this thread often but have a full time job keeping me busy. At different times different people are moderating and making different decision. Stevie and I will try to be more present and consistent going forward.

    Why are you deleting posts that are simply mentioning the fact that you are deleting posts? I get you are trying to keep things high-level, but you are likely making matters worse. It is relevant to point out RG’s role in this debate and how it is being handled at all levels. By deleting posts that are not offensive you are tailoring the discussion.

    EDIT: And by appearing to tailor the discussion you are adding to the opinion (fairly or unjustly) that RG is taking sides.

  • wafflesandbeer

    Lacy or Charles in cash games this week?

  • soopra

    @einars said...

    he said it on some podcast….cant remember if its was with levitan or with dan but he isnt keeping it a secret

    It was the rotogrinders with Dan. Pretty sure he didn’t say his screen name but alluded that it was pretty obvious once you saw it. If anyone knows it, I’m curious too.

  • gaelicgirl

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Why are you deleting posts that are simply mentioning the fact that you are deleting posts?

    Thank you!!!

  • letterj007

    @wafflesandbeer said...

    Lacy or Charles in cash games this week?

    On which site, because DK doesn’t have much credibility with me right now??

  • Shamrocks10

    I really don’t understand why the people who for years preached about “growing DFS” and those who were so outspoken are silent about this. I know there have been some that have been posting on this thread but on Twitter it’s basically DraftCheat calling everyone out. This is a huge black eye on the community and RG/FD/DK are sweeping it under the rug. PLAY A FREE ROLL! TRUST US!

  • JimmyTango

    I’m flabbergasted that FD and DK didn’t have policies in place from the get-go barring employees from playing DFS. That’s just gross incompetence on the part of management. Regardless of whether any actual cheating occurred, the optics are just terrible. If I’m an investor — or the NFL, or ESPN, or any of the other myriad stakeholders — I’m pretty peeved right now. If this story catches fire with the mainstream media, heads will roll.

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