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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • einars

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Ok see that’s where I don’t know who is who. I thought Haskell was CSUrams. Thanks for clearing it up. So who is Haskell? Disregard my ignorance, I was misinformed.

    midlevel employee of DK who recieved the ownership percentages to write a weekly article on the ownership percentages. he accidentally tweeted the article/ownership percentages prior to the lock of all DK games. That same week he won 350K in the FD milly tourny. which has led to the cheating allegations and has spiraled from there

  • jhorst52

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    how are these guys posting head to head games if they are “temporarily banned?” someone please link source on ban

  • Heterodox

    @einars said...

    where did they hang him out to dry? first time i am hearing his name in this

    I too am confused, wonder if posts that would clarify what these people seem to be referring to were deleted

  • Cal

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    @Wombat said...

    Can someone clarify if there has been proof that Haskel had the ownership percentages BEFORE lock? I still am kind of confused as to why this is blowing up unless we know that. I just don’t understand how you could even measure ownership rates before the contest is full and locked.

    My understanding of it was that he got the ownership numbers after lock for his article and made a mistake of publishing it before the Monday night games. Is there more to it than that?

    Your understanding is correct based on what DK has told us. I believe this to be correct as well.

    Anything beyond that regarding Ethan is pure speculation. Now it’s lead to a story on the NY Post with a headline reading “Fantasy Sports Employees Bet at Rival Sites Using Inside Information.” I guess I lost that battle.

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    @Cal said...

    Your understanding is correct based on what DK has told us. I believe this to be correct as well.

    Anything beyond that regarding Ethan is speculation. Now it’s lead to a story on the NY Post with a headline reading “Fantasy Sports Employees Bet at Rival Sites Using Inside Information.” I guess I lost that battle.

    It’s the Times. Makes it even worse. They omitted a few words from the headline.

  • tbird05

    @Cal said...

    Your understanding is correct based on what DK has told us. I believe this to be correct as well.

    Anything beyond that regarding Ethan is speculation. Now it’s lead to a story on the NY Post with a headline reading “Fantasy Sports Employees Bet at Rival Sites Using Inside Information.” I guess I lost that battle.

    Cal,

    Did you see the writer on Forbes misquoted you? (About him possibly using the data on FD)

  • DabsAndFrags

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Now I do….. I thought they were same person. OK now I don’t feel bad. I’m doing to edit my other posts lol😩

    Maybe they are though……/tinfoilhat /plotthickening

  • Wombat

    @crazypaul said...

    Bro, WHO CARES ABOUT ETHAN? All of you are so hung up on Ethan. Could he have had access to this information before 1pm? Sure. Did he? Who knows. There is a much bigger issue than 1 guy here.

    What really matters is WHO has had access to this information, HOW long have they had access to this information, & WHEN do they have access to this information.

    The information being player ownership could only be measured after the contests lock so why would it even matter if employees can see this? Are people saying they think you can measure ownership while a contest is still getting entries?

    This whole thing is a dumpster fire. NYT article with a headline that is completely false and we all know the headline is the only thing people read in articles.

  • Cal

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    @tbird05 said...

    Cal,

    Did you see the writer on Forbes misquoted you?

    Yes, sent him a message on Twitter. I have definitely lost that battle.

  • Unico10

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    @jhorst52 said...

    how are these guys posting head to head games if they are “temporarily banned?” someone please link source on ban

    This is what the article says:

    A spokesman for DraftKings acknowledged that employees of both companies have won big jackpots playing at other daily fantasy sites. Late Monday, the two companies temporarily banned their employees from playing games or in tournaments at any other site; they already had prohibited their employees from playing on their own company sites.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/sports/fanduel-draftkings-fantasy-employees-bet-rivals.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur&_r=0

  • DannyTanner

    Whatever your opinion on what happened the end result of this is going to be bad. Mainstream media was putting out incorrect hit pieces on the industry last week before any of this happened. This issue just gives them more fuel for that fire.

    The industry had a chance to self-regulate and failed. There were many things before this that could have/should have opened their eyes to run a tighter ship but everything was focused on the short term.

    Without a doubt the long term is going to look a lot different than now, and I don’t think that’s a good thing for the companies. A bad thing for the companies is also a bad thing for everyone else involved — from RotoGrinders, to people that rely on DFS to put food on the table, to the guy who puts out $5 a week to just make games more fun.

    The one thing I think we can all agree on: this sucks.

  • deactivated70850

    If you are going to publish something, then please use accurate quotes in your piece. It’s disgusting that writers are twisting words around and thus making it convenient for them to portray a certain narrative. This is worse than I thought.

  • mellofellowsu

    @Wombat said...

    Are people saying they think you can measure ownership while a contest is still getting entries?

    Of course. Why wouldn’t one with access to the data be able to get a pretty good picture of ownership numbers say, 30 minutes before lock?

  • jmo26

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Do they wear “tinfoil hats” over there at the New York Times?

    Didn’t say that – don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to get facts wrong.

  • letterj007

    @Cal said...

    Your understanding is correct based on what DK has told us. I believe this to be correct as well.

    Anything beyond that regarding Ethan is speculation. Now it’s lead to a story on the NY Post with a headline reading “Fantasy Sports Employees Bet at Rival Sites Using Inside Information.” I guess I lost that battle.

    A number of years ago, I played Smallworld baseball and basketball. It was a salary-based fantasy game that also worked like the stock market. You started with 50k. If you owned players on a certain day of the week, your team roster salary would go up by the value of the players you had that day. It was a HUGE advantage if you knew by how much each week that players’ salaries would raise. On one of the sites I frequented, there was a fella that figured out a backdoor into their site. And he would share the info, and guestimate the price flucuations. It was a MASSIVE advantage…

    Anybody that thinks that the POSSIBILITY of having the ballpark info as to ownership (let’s say they took the numbers at 10 minutes to lock) generally isn’t an advantage has buried their head in the sand.

  • IALWAYSLOSE

    DFS on borrowed time.

  • whiskeypeddler

    How many angel investors on conference call as we speak? Should have nipped her in the bud….

  • Avgplayer

    @petesdynasty said...

    Draftcheat is KILLING it on twitter.

    Him and CrazyGabey are 2 faces known around here that are speaking up. How many are not!

  • Neiderman

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Of course. Why wouldn’t one with access to the data be able to get a pretty good picture of ownership numbers say, 30 minutes before lock?

    Late swap gents… You can change players in later games after the tourney has started.

  • dude_abides7

    Theoretically – Would anyone here be surprised that a group of people with gambling backgrounds found a way to game the system to their advantage?

    Regulation here we come.

  • tbird05

    @Neiderman said...

    Late swap gents… You can change players in later games after the tourney has started.

    DK Insiders have posted publicly that late swap is rarely used on a site wide level

  • mellofellowsu

    @Neiderman said...

    Late swap gents… You can change players in later games after the tourney has started.

    Not on FD.

  • ckamins87

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    Both the Forbes and NYtimes articles are sensationalist pieces of journalism, and if anyone sees thinks these sites running an article on what happened as a surefire justification for their tinfoil hat beliefs…well…we will have to agree to disagree. Clicks = $$, and DFS controversary = Clicks (considering how heavily its advertised right now).

    It was his job to query the % owned of players for 1pm games, and to publish it. We as players are interested in that info, and it makes sense that a site would want to create more content for their users so that they stay on their site. The mistake ethan made was publishing ownership on players in later games. I don’t even know whether or not it was a mistake accessing that portion. Maybe its unavoidable in how their queries work. It wouldn’t help him on FD since lineups are locked by then anyways. Querying the % pre-lock makes 0 sense because we all tinker like mofo’s leading up to lock, and his numbers would need to match ours for the article. They said the logs show he didnt. Not sure why you want to believe he did. We all know % owned ahead of time on FD due to thursday contests, and can forecast sunday % using simple calculations of thursday numbers. Ownership levels have 0 connection to a players performance. How could he “cheat” and know who was going to do well? His lineup was a good mix of chalk and non-chalk and it beat 200k+ people. Knowing % owned is not how you do that, luck is.

  • Stonecoldnuts

    I have wrote this time and time again in these forums…but you can not have an online method of winning money like daily fantasy..and not have people taking advantage of situations. If people working for the sites are allowed to play daily fantasy then down the line you are going to have problems. The sites are being so blind to their greed that it will only blow up in their faces. Some type of oversight is good for the industry…cause over the past year more and more people are starting to not trust what is going on around us. To believe not more insider information has been going around would be dumb…I love dfs too and I want to defend it just like all these other big names…but its just too hard to do that anymore unless someone is paying you to defend it….

  • mrunlucky

    I think this could have been all cleared up with a better response from everyone involved, Jonathan Bales works with DraftKings, and has written a book using information supplied from DraftKings data. Jonathan also shares his picks and projections(paid of course) and created fantasy labs which gives you almost the same edge as the pros, I know we want to beat all the pro’s up right now but some of us who have won and are still are winning based on what we learn from pros’s.

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