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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Redskins4

    @kaetorade said...

    It’s public after he writes his book. Again, If I’m wrong, I hope someone corrects me. I believe Bales is a DK pro too. I went to confirm that Bales is a DK pro, but the ‘DK Pros’ link seems to have temporarily been disabled.

    He was a DK pro at least. I know that.

  • ComicFx

    Its like an insane version of the telephone game with no new information just old information digested and vomited into confusion down the line. Way I get it, a DK employee (likely in a rush to enjoy the damn weekend) pushed out an article early. Major brain fart and in most billion dollar industries you’d lose your job. Get the keg out your office and your house in order DraftKings, I digress… This issues raises many issues we ALL should have been asking for awhile now, most importantly related:

    Who has access to what information? When? Why?

  • Putz

    @cpavlik said...

    The people in the IT /Tech Services are going to have to have access to the rosters for situations like “I’m trying to replace player a with player b and am unable to” The User will have to be able to edit this table. Which means they can query it as well.
    I do not know DK exact privilege setup but I would assume at least one DBA has root access.

    The scenario you provided should never happen. Staff shouldn’t be allowed to edit lineups, which leads to larger problems than this one. If there is an issue and a user can’t do this themselves, the only solution for a help desk employee should be to delete the entry.

    This leads us to another open question to FanDuel, which is the solution to this problem of the possibility of employees editing lineups after lock, why aren’t you providing a CSV after lineup lock to ensure this isn’t happening? Waiting for another “leak?” to be reactive vs. proactive? Your user base has been asking for this for several years.

  • JoakimNoah4Life

    @gravycakes said...

    Is no one asking WHY the GPP exposure numbers were accidentally posted on Twitter? Wouldn’t he have accidentally posted to Twitter and meant to DM it to someone?

    As a high volume DFS player I’ve read this entire thread and agree the main concern here is determining who has access to ownership levels and which employees are able to view anyones line up before lock.

    While I agree that’s the main focus, I have to admit I’m surprised people aren’t thinking about this post more. I could be misinformed on how this works, so feel free to correct me, I’m not a regular twitter user. But how is it possible that he would accidentally tweet something like this? To me it makes more sense that he was trying to DM it to someone, than that he forgot what time it was, or whatever his excuse was for tweeting it?

  • mrchuffy

    @Putz said...

    The scenario you provided should never happen. Staff shouldn’t be allowed to edit lineups, which leads to larger problems than this one. If there is an issue and a user can’t so this, the only solution should be to delete the entry.

    This leads us to another open question to FanDuel, which is the solution to this problem of the possibility of employees editing lineups after lock, why aren’t you providing a CSV after lineup lock to ensure this isn’t happening? Waiting for another “leak?” to be reactive vs. proactive? Your user base has been asking for this for several years.

    I agree how has FD gone on this long without providing a CSV?

    Good job FD and DK for dragging your feet on this issue….

  • smutpeddlers

    @Shamrocks10 said...

    I do find it amusing that “DraftCheat” is the voice of reason during a potential cheating scandal. Honestly though I’m glad DC, Gabey, TommyG, and DHP are speaking out. While DB should probably take a timeout from twitter for awhile

    Is @DraftCheat the people’s champ hahahaha

  • letterj007

    @ComicFx said...

    Its like an insane version of the telephone game with no new information just old information digested and vomited into confusion down the line. Way I get it, a DK employee (likely in a rush to enjoy the damn weekend) pushed out an article early. Major brain fart and in most billion dollar industries you’d lose your job. Get the keg out your office and your house in order DraftKings, I digress… This issues raises many issues we ALL should have been asking for awhile now, most importantly related:

    Who has access to what information? When? Why?

    Facts:

    DK and FD had already had prohibited their employees from playing on their own company sites (was this always, or when did this come in to play?).

    Ethan took down at least five GPP’s in a short period of time, including one for 350k.

    He has admitted to having access to the data before the start of the third week of N.F.L. games – according to the Ny Times.

    Late this afternoon, DK and FD temporarily banned their employees from playing games or in tournaments at any other site.

    That’s what we know. So many questions and we are left to fill in the blanks as it now stands.

  • budfox6

    @JoakimNoah4Life said...

    To me it makes more sense that he was trying to DM it to someone, than that he forgot what time it was, or whatever his excuse was for tweeting it?

    Copy and paste fail…I’m assuming.

  • piersb999

    Dfs was just fun to me and I enjoyed it for over 3 years but I won’t be an idiot any longer. Done. Fair playing field is the least to ask for.

  • walterg55

    Is there a connection between Aaron DaKing , Zach Sanders, and Ethan Haskell other than the fact that the last 2 follow DaKing on twitter, Sanders lists himself on twitter as a hacker and they all won big $ DFS with at least DaKing winning 150 2 weeks ago and Sanders winning 3rd on DK Millie the same weekend Haskell won on FD. I am not seeking conspiracies here but thought it curious

    https://twitter.com/Aaron_Da_King/followers

  • fmarriott22

    @letterj007 said...

    Ethan took down at least five GPP’s in a short period of time, including one for 350k.

    He has admitted to having access to the data before the start of the third week of N.F.L. games – according to the Ny Times.

    Reminds me of the line in Casino, where DeNiro tells the inept slots manager that he was either in on the scam, or stupid!

  • hustlemania83

    @Redskins4 said...

    All this because one guy be stupid…. smh

    Seems like too many 20 somethings running the show at dk…

  • srolleDFS

    @letterj007 said...

    And if he takes the fifth, I wonder if some will still defend him. (Maybe he takes the fifth because he didn’t DIRECTLY profit, but someone close to him did.) All just speculation which could have been avoided if we got straight answers sooner than the generic response this morning.

    now we have gotten to the point of planning our own fantasy versions ethan’s congressional hearing…

    why will he be pleading the fifth? inquiring minds wanna know!!!

  • ComicFx

    @JoakimNoah4Life said...

    But how is it possible that he would accidentally tweet something like this? To me it makes more sense that he was trying to DM it to someone

    This is where a lot of confusion is and I myself do not know the answer. I THINK he tweeted a link to the article for all of twitter-verse to view at their leisure BUT I may be wrong.. If he tweeted a link to an article it all makes sense, he messed up, we can now debate should any employee/DFS players have access… IF he tweeted something more ominous to an individual then its something more ominous…. This missing jump to conclusions is the source of much confusion all the way to the NY Times… a DK statement would be….interesting?

  • JEFFRAMBO

    @virgilecaine said...

    I think you are missing the point. When there is no regulation the regulators come in and if your s hit isn’t together they shut you down.

    No, I’m definitely not pissing the point. Potential regulatory bodies have a positive financial interests in this situation: taxable dollars. So if regulation were to be installed it would be for the purpose of continued gains from said interests versus demolishing it.

    The Securities Exchange Act of 1934 is what created the SEC. The stock market itself existed long before this in the United States. What prompted the Exchange Act? Instances just like this in an unregulated industry that was taking in money hand over foot day-in and day-out.

  • Putz

    @srolleDFS said...

    now we have gotten to the point of planning our own fantasy versions ethan’s congressional hearing…

    why will he be pleading the fifth? inquiring minds wanna know!!!

  • srolleDFS

    @letterj007 said...

    He has admitted to having access to the data before the start of the third week of N.F.L. games – according to the Ny Times.

    the nytimes did not say that. the new york times said he got it before the football games were finalized. fanduel had already locked well before that point in time,

  • phillygamecox

    and USA Today…
    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/draftkings-fanduel-accused-of-using-inside-information-matter-of-time

  • tbird05

    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    No, I’m definitely not pissing the point. Potential regulatory bodies have a positive financial interests in this situation: taxable dollars. So if regulation were to be installed it would be for the purpose of continued gains from said interests versus demolishing it.

    The Securities Exchange Act of 1934 is what created the SEC. The stock market itself existed long before this in the United States. What prompted the Exchange Act? Instances just like this in an unregulated industry that was taking in money hand over foot day-in and day-out.

    It’s going to be regulated and taxed on a federal level?

    Or will it turn into “dfs state lotteries”, where each state offers their own dfs sites. That would be pretty bad imo

  • letterj007

    @srolleDFS said...

    the nytimes did not say that. the new york times said he got it before the football games were finalized. fanduel had already locked well before that point in time,

    “Last week, a DraftKings employee admitted to inadvertently releasing data before the start of the third week of N.F.L. games, a move akin to insider trading in the stock market.”

    Right from the article Brah.

  • y2mulder

    My biggest problem is with this and scripts. No action was taken UNTIL THEY WERE CAUGHT. And even then we have gotten a slow stream of PR garbage that came way too late. It’s undefendable now.

  • JoakimNoah4Life

    @ComicFx said...

    I THINK he tweeted a link to the article for all of twitter-verse to view at their leisure BUT I may be wrong.. If he tweeted a link to an article it all makes sense, he messed up

    Ok I agree on that, if he tweeted a link to an article that would make sense (as I said I wasn’t sure how exactly it went down). If it wasn’t an actual article tho it would appear more likely a failed DM

    Can someone confirm he had tweeted a link to an article?

  • kb32dawgs

    Wonder if entries will plummet in DK tourneys this weekend??

  • letterj007

    @srolleDFS said...

    the nytimes did not say that. the new york times said he got it before the football games were finalized. fanduel had already locked well before that point in time,

    and from the USA Today:

    “A DraftKings employee admitted to inadvertently releasing data betraying the players most frequently used in fantasy lineups on the site ahead of Week 3. It’s data that’s made available to everyone after lineups are locked in, but can give anyone a huge advantage if gained ahead of time. Haskell won $350,000 on FanDuel that same week.”

  • mrunlucky

    Bales is a DK pro, IDK what perks they get but if you read his book you will know that Him and CSU…. Have access to the data

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