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  • colinwdrew

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    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Myballzachertz

    I see Condia on Yahoo Daily Fantasy is he back on the big sites now?

  • FightingIrishND

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  • slcseas

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    I have yet to see how knowing DK percentages is more helpful than having the already known FD Thursday percentages.

    Yes there are other questions on employees accessing data..but it’s hardly a deal breaker for DFS.

    I do not like any data being provided to some users that is not provided to everyone.

    Football isn’t the only sport. Ethan has won the same baseball GPP four times in 39 days. Possibly another huge coincidence, possibly not.

    PetrGibbons works on Fanduel pricing and is top 50 ranked despite joining RG a scant 4 months ago.

    These things might break some deals for some.

  • virgilecaine

    @UnregisteredUser said...

    Maybe their auditor will issue an adverse opinion or, even worse, withdraw from the engagement!

    /goes back to studying for CPA exam.

    Of course I could I have said they withdraw, or issue an adverse opinion as a red flag, but that type Opinion is a rarity. A company in a new industry receiving a qualified opinion would be a much larger red flag. If they received an adverse opinion or withdrawn the lawyers and the next auditing firm would claim that the former auditing firm did not understand the complexities of the new business and could not complete a proper audit.

    Remember if you don’t know the answer on a question, guess “B” as in “Bogota”. Thank me later.

  • FightingIrishND

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    I have yet to see how knowing DK percentages is more helpful than having the already known FD Thursday percentages.

    Yes there are other questions on employees accessing data..but it’s hardly a deal breaker for DFS.

    I do not like any data being provided to some users that is not provided to everyone.

    Forget the 350k won in football for a minute do you have any idea what this info could do for you in MLB?

    Like really think about it.

    I don’t know if Ethan was a dominate MLB player but this info in MLB could turn you into a God.

  • thesportsbrat

    If I was one of those employees, I would just give a friend my lineups and have them enter contests for me, on their account. Nice little loop hole. Not sure any of them are that concerned about being prohibited. I’m positive any of their DFS friends would be happy to enter in lineups for them. Not sure how this really fixes anything?

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    @letterj007 said...

    It’s not just in the football model. If it’s possible with football, it’s possible with other sports that have multiple slates.

    ok..I could see some value to that..but in the specific instance that sparked this debate I don’t see how he could have gained an advantage.

    Like I posted, it does raise a lot of ‘what if’ scenarios whicg I’m sure will be addressed.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Cal said...

    Here’s a joint statement just released by the FSTA, DraftKings, and Fanduel that addresses operator employees playing on competitor sites:

    The Fantasy Sports Trade Association (FSTA), DraftKings and FanDuel have always understood that nothing is more important than the integrity of the games we offer to fans. For that reason, the FSTA has included in its charter that member companies must restrict employee access to and use of competitive data for play on other sites. At this time, there is no evidence that any employee or company has violated these rules. That said, the inadvertent release of non-public data by a fantasy operator employee has sparked a conversation among fantasy sports players about the extent to which industry employees should be able participate in fantasy sports contests on competitor sites. We’ve heard from users that they would appreciate more clarity about the rules for this issue. In the interim, while the industry works to develop and release a more detailed policy, DraftKings and FanDuel have decided to prohibit employees from participating in online fantasy sports contests for money.

    The problem with this is nobody is going to read it. With the NY Times misquoting you,it doesn’t matter anymore. Way way more people read the NY Times, ESPN and all the other news than read this site. All the average person will know is what they read on the mainstream news,and will blindly accept it as fact. Whether Ethan did this, prelock or postlock doesn’t matter. All the people that read these articles don’t know what that means. Its the headlines and the word Cheating that will get their attention. too late now

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Well what happened in Seattle game is good for DFS sites. All the articles tomorrow will be about the blown call likely costing Detroit the game.

  • slcseas

    @FightingIrishND said...

    I don’t know if Ethan was a dominate MLB player but this info in MLB could turn you into a God.

    He won the FD Slam GPP 4 times in less than 6 weeks…

  • Redskins4

    Going to be crazy to see the level of overlay in the milly make next week, this is on ESPNs homepage. ..

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Well what happened in Seattle game is good for DFS sites. All the articles tomorrow will be about the blown call likely costing Detroit the game.

    There is nothing good for DFS sites

  • letterj007

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    ok..I could see some value to that..but in the specific instance that sparked this debate I don’t see how he could have gained an advantage.

    Like I posted, it does raise a lot of ‘what if’ scenarios whicg I’m sure will be addressed.

    “I don’t see how he could have gained an advantage.”

    It’s still an advantage to know who to fade because of high ownership – if you KNEW within a few percentage points of ownership levels. Especially so in GPP’s.

  • dmiller10nc

    @Cal said...

    Here’s a joint statement just released by the FSTA, DraftKings, and Fanduel that addresses operator employees playing on competitor sites:

    The Fantasy Sports Trade Association (FSTA), DraftKings and FanDuel have always understood that nothing is more important than the integrity of the games we offer to fans. For that reason, the FSTA has included in its charter that member companies must restrict employee access to and use of competitive data for play on other sites. At this time, there is no evidence that any employee or company has violated these rules. That said, the inadvertent release of non-public data by a fantasy operator employee has sparked a conversation among fantasy sports players about the extent to which industry employees should be able participate in fantasy sports contests on competitor sites. We’ve heard from users that they would appreciate more clarity about the rules for this issue. In the interim, while the industry works to develop and release a more detailed policy, DraftKings and FanDuel have decided to prohibit employees from participating in online fantasy sports contests for money.

    welcome relief. I hope everyone settles down now. Thank you Cal.

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    @thesportsbrat said...

    If I was one of those employees, I would just give a friend my lineups and have them enter contests for me, on their account. Nice little loop hole. Not sure any of them are that concerned about being prohibited. I’m positive any of their DFS friends would be happy to enter in lineups for them. Not sure how this really fixes anything?

    It doesn’t. These guys are in damage control mode right now and trying desperately to make this go all just go away.

  • FightingIrishND

    @slcseas said...

    Won the FD Slam GPP 4 times in less than 6 weeks…

    I don’t want to believe this. My god I dont want to believe this.

  • slcseas

    @FightingIrishND said...

    I don’t want to believe this. My god I dont want to believe this.

    Haven’t verified this personally but it was discussed earlier in the thread and I never saw it refuted.

  • letterj007

    “At this time, there is no evidence that any employee or company has violated these rules”, says the very people involved in this.

    Somebody objective and unbiased needs to see the “evidence”.

  • Cdogbuck

    Where there is money there is corruption. Always.

  • deactivated70850

    It will be alright folks. Stay positive! Seek the truth, but ignore the false noise. We will all make it through this.

  • Unico10

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    @kantiger77 said...

    Here is my hope regarding this controversy, in terms of possible positive outcomes: I hope it causes the industry to seriously evaluate how it is perceived, and thus, perhaps examine itself more closely in how it grows, how it manages itself, and how it markets itself.

    In the past, I think casual DFS players such as myself have grown frustrated by issues such as huge Multi-Entry tournaments, pay structures, scripting, and the like. None of these issues, though, has risen to the level of national scrutiny, only relegated to those blogs and news sites that cover the industry specifically. Now that this particular issue has hit the fan, my sincere hope is that it will cause the two big sites take a serious look at how they do things. Just taking one trip to the NYT comment field will basically reveal comments from people who feel that DFS is a scam, akin to throwing money at the lottery, etc, – even though any one of us, even a small stakes player like me, can testify to the fact it actually IS — when property managed — a real skill game that makes sports viewing more fun.

    That’s my real concern here — is the view that the industry is a scam. I don’t believe that, of course, otherwise I would not play — but in a day where a company like Sony could be hacked and you’ve had real life scandals in sports dating back to the Black Sox Scandal — the idea that DFS, a self-regulated industry at this point, is immune from such things is naive.

    To me, all these issues — not just related to having access to ownership % and using that info elsewhere — call into the credibility of the industry. To me, it’s time for the sites to re-assess everything, not unlike an Athletic Department would after receiving sanctions or bad press regarding recruiting violations.

    Let’s examine one by one:

    Advertising — The fact is that when you spend the ridiculous sums that the two big companies have on DFS advertising, you’re going to get scrutinized. My view has always been that the radio ads — which calmly explain the process on how you play DFS — are much better than the TV ads, which are incredibly annoying and haven’t gotten any better. They’re just incredibly tacky. I know TV ads are much harder than a radio script, but to me they’d be better off pulling the plug for now, and re-evaluating everything related to TV marketing.

    Scripting — I think now would be a great time to do just ditch allowing it entirely. Just ban it. All it would take is a “We’ve re-evaluated everything” press release to reverse course on this.

    Multi-entry — Even if the prize pools are more limited, start placing a cap on entries for contests. I’ve seen some progress in this regard, but I’d move towards 50-100 caps on the largest contests. Regardless of the specifics, no more 200-entry trains in quarter arcades.

    Promoting single entry or low limit entry games — Promote contests that either have single entry or low limit (think 5 or less) entry rules.

    Global Entry Limits — Cap how many games someone can enter across the site, also limiting the money they can invest on a particular night.

    Payout Structure — Start evening out the payout structure so it’s not so top heavy in the larger contests. If that means less “millionaire makers” and more “$100K makers” then great.

    Conflict of Interest Regulation — Ban any employee that isn’t purely promotional (like a CSURam type) from Playing DFS for money — Period, end of story. I’d actually request Congress make this part of any federal regulatory structure regarding DFS.

    More Creativity / Variety of Games for Lower Stakes — How about bracketed tournaments at the $1 or even $.25 level? Or more survivor style tournaments? Or even week-long contests in baseball, to even out things like variance, where your results over a week’s worth of daily games are added up to a total? I don’t feel like there is enough variety for folks who just throw a few bucks at games. It’s all geared to folks who have mid to high stakes.

    I’d love to see this be a real chance for the industry to wake up and take charge of these issues.

    Thank you for expressing my exact thoughts

  • bmac5888

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    Here is my main issue, even if you stop employees from playing on other sites, why can’t I tell my friend to play me lineups on another site. There is no way to stop this besides no one having access to the information. We do not need articles written on percentage owned if this will be the case. How do we also know that this information isn’t shared with people who are playing on draftkings and there is a late swap? Today was a huge blemish for dfs, and as a daily player in multiple sports I am ashamed. There has to be a solution to this quickly or we will lose the game we all love to play.

  • lordwu84

    @Putz said...

    @kantiger77 said…

    Sites would be limiting income and growth if this were implemented. No way they do this, otherwise, they would need to raise rake and make their customers pay PayPal fees that they currently cover.

    I would argue the opposite. From the operator’s point of view, sustainable business and growth actually comes from putting as much of the profit into the hands of the general public as possible, and not concentrating profit in just a few sharks/employees who won’t reinvest their massive winnings. One of the main ways to do this is to limit entries and cap investments to lessen the profit of sharks.

    With sharks/pros sucking up too much of the profits, it puts so much pressure on new customer generation to drive revenue and makes a sustainable ecosystem very difficult to attain.

    Growth should come from growing penetration within the population, allowing them a high enough winning % to keep them reloading if they lose, and not through constantly generating new users who have no chance of winning enough to have fun and getting their rolls sucked dry by sharks.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @slcseas said...

    Haven’t verified this personally but it was discussed earlier in the thread and I never saw it refuted.

    Ethan removed his usernames from his profile, I’m assuming for legal reasons. But from what I saw earlier and what many others have posted, this is true. A lot of misinformation in this thread, but he did win 4 Grand Slams I think in 35 days this summer.

  • Putz

    @lordwu84 said...

    I would argue the opposite. From the operator’s point of view, sustainable business and growth actually comes from putting as much of the profit into the hands of the general public as possible, and not concentrating profit in just a few sharks/employees who won’t reinvest their massive winnings. One of the main ways to do this is to limit entries and cap investments to lessen the profit of sharks.

    With sharks/pros sucking up too much of the profits, it puts so much pressure on new customer generation to drive revenue and makes a sustainable ecosystem very difficult to attain.

    Growth should come from growing penetration within the population, allowing them a high enough winning % to keep them reloading if they lose, and not through constantly generating new users who have no chance of winning enough to have fun and getting their rolls sucked dry by sharks.

    You have a good argument, although the fish will replenish with new, unwitting fish for the taking. Better, flatter, payout structures would also support this notion of getting $$ back to the general population.

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