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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • MrSnuffleupagus

    Greed is a powerful thing. My question is, how can you possible keep an employee from here on out giving inside info out to a close personal friend with no trails that lead to each other.

  • electrichaz3

    I am going to be flamed for this post but I feel like this thread is somewhat dumb.

    how is this different then people playing FD Thursday slates to edge ownership percentages for the main Sunday slate?

    not to mention, there are various projection models that a lot of top players have that nail ownership percentages within 5% points. there are articles on this very site displaying ownership percentages that we all read.

    i was personally affected and had money stolen the ap/UB scandals among many others since being a online poker pro for going on 12 years now . that was cheating. that was scummy. that was worth a site being shut down. this shit is not.

    yes the sites need to improve the process and have more accountability and process in place for safeguard purposes.

    like every other “scandal” on 2p2 in the poker world, people will bitch. the sites will make corrections and life will go on.

    if I was a betting man, and I am. I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.

  • Jfinn

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    The problem with this is nobody is going to read it. With the NY Times misquoting you,it doesn’t matter anymore. Way way more people read the NY Times, ESPN and all the other news than read this site. All the average person will know is what they read on the mainstream news,and will blindly accept it as fact. Whether Ethan did this, prelock or postlock doesn’t matter. All the people that read these articles don’t know what that means. Its the headlines and the word Cheating that will get their attention. too late now

    Does the ban include people who are “sponsored” by the sites?

  • letterj007

    @electrichaz3 said...

    I am going to be flamed for this post but I feel like this is somewhat dumb.

    how is this different then people playing FD Thursday slates to edge ownership percentages for the main Sunday slate?

    not to mention, there are various projection models that a lot of top players have that nail ownership percentages within 5% points. there are articles on this very site displaying ownership percentages that we all read.

    i was personally affected and had money stolen the the ap/UB scandals among many others since being a online poker pro for going on 12 years now and that was cheating. that was scummy. that was worth a site being shut down. this shit is not.

    yes the sites need to improve the process and have more accountability and process in place for safeguard purposes.

    like every other “scandal” on 2p2 in the poker world, people will bitch. the sites will make corrections and life will go on.

    if I was a betting man, and I am. I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.

    “I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.”

    I doubt it. Mainstream media grabbed the story and are running with it…despite what FD and DK would probably like, it’s not going away anytime soon.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @Putz said...

    You have a good argument, although the fish will replenish with new, unwitting fish for the taking. Better, flatter, payout structures would also support this notion of getting $$ back to the general population.

    Except now the fish will read the headlines and decline to swim

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @bmac5888 said...

    Here is my main issue, even if you stop employees from playing on other sites, why can’t I tell my friend to play me lineups on another site. There is no way to stop this besides no one having access to the information. We do not need articles written on percentage owned if this will be the case. How do we also know that this information isn’t shared with people who are playing on draftkings and there is a late swap? Today was a huge blemish for dfs, and as a daily player in multiple sports I am ashamed. There has to be a solution to this quickly or we will lose the game we all love to play.

    Is it actually feasible for NO ONE to have access to lineup information? Doesn’t someone have to have access to this information to solve customer support issues prior to lineup lock, or other possible technical issues? Obviously this information needs to be heavily monitored and detained, but not sure it is possible to give no employees access to it.

    Completely agree that there is no reason to have an article on ownership percentages immediately after the 1 PM games have begun, even if it only includes 1 PM players. I always thought DK Playbook (and Fanduel Insider) was a terrible idea to begin with. The sites should not be in the business of providing strategy/plays on their own site.

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  • ckamins87

    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @electrichaz3 said...

    I am going to be flamed for this post but I feel like this is somewhat dumb.

    how is this different then people playing FD Thursday slates to edge ownership percentages for the main Sunday slate?

    not to mention, there are various projection models that a lot of top players have that nail ownership percentages within 5% points. there are articles on this very site displaying ownership percentages that we all read.

    i was personally affected and had money stolen the the ap/UB scandals among many others since being a online poker pro for going on 12 years now and that was cheating. that was scummy. that was worth a site being shut down. this shit is not.

    yes the sites need to improve the process and have more accountability and process in place for safeguard purposes.

    like every other “scandal” on 2p2 in the poker world, people will bitch. the sites will make corrections and life will go on.

    if I was a betting man, and I am. I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.

    Agreed 100%

  • inkognegro

    @electrichaz3 said...

    I am going to be flamed for this post but I feel like this is somewhat dumb.

    how is this different then people playing FD Thursday slates to edge ownership percentages for the main Sunday slate?

    not to mention, there are various projection models that a lot of top players have that nail ownership percentages within 5% points. there are articles on this very site displaying ownership percentages that we all read.

    i was personally affected and had money stolen the the ap/UB scandals among many others since being a online poker pro for going on 12 years now and that was cheating. that was scummy. that was worth a site being shut down. this shit is not.

    yes the sites need to improve the process and have more accountability and process in place for safeguard purposes.

    like every other “scandal” on 2p2 in the poker world, people will bitch. the sites will make corrections and life will go on.

    if I was a betting man, and I am. I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.

    Only difference is that it is national news…it is everywhere….UB scandal was confined to the poker world, big difference between 2p2 p5s hsdb and cnn nbc fox cbs

  • only1thumb

    Here’s the main difference, these guys are able to segment by user so they’ll be able to see the ownership rates of CSURAM, AlSmizzle, Adam Levitan… whoever on DK to inform their decision making on FD. If you know nothing about NFL, MLB, or NBA, you’d still be able to make a decent lineup on FD based upon the ownership levels of the pro’s on DK. The prices and scoring differs, but the point still stands.

  • JimmyTango

    @Jfinn said...

    Does the ban include people who are “sponsored” by the sites?

    This is a big distinction, and it needs to be clarified by DF and DK. My guess would be that DK Pros and their ilk are probably classified as independent contractors and not “employees,” and are thus free to continue playing without restriction. Not that it wouldn’t be easy as hell to get around it if they were classified as employees…

  • smutpeddlers

    50$

  • Dmurphy104

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    @letterj007 said...

    “I don’t see how he could have gained an advantage.”

    It’s still an advantage to know who to fade because of high ownership – if you KNEW within a few percentage points of ownership levels. Especially so in GPP’s.

    But the Fanduel Thursday information is better data for use on FD and is publicly available.

    I’m not really defending him..the whole thing stinks..I just was talking about week 3 NFL.

  • letterj007

    @LeoTPP said...

    DK Statement on the timing of Ethan’s access to data

    Fair enough. (The fox is guarding the henhouse here though, and we are taking their word on it, if we accept the statement.)

    Let’s see a statement regarding all of his FD baseball lineups.

  • electrichaz3

    too big too fail comes to mind. this thing is a major cash cow for a lot of major corps.

    what bothers me is people don’t see the Forrest for the trees. hating on the guy for winning 4 slams in 35 days. is ehafner a cheater too after the heater he went on recently? variance is real and sometimes people experience the good side of it. seeing ownership percentages isn’t the reason he won. he won because he took that information and apllied it very well and was able to build a good line up. given that same information most players would mess it up anyway because they aren’t as good, simple as that.

    having said that employees shouldn’t be able to play anywhere. end of story.

  • inkognegro

  • dude_abides7

    @electrichaz3 said...

    if I was a betting man, and I am. I’d wager this isn’t even a blip on the radar in a week.

    Then you might not want to start betting. This has gotten national media attention and represents much more than a ‘blip on the radar’.

  • maxpowers50

    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    So to paint a quick scenario:
    Congressman A reads these articles and says to Congressman B: “Sheesh! We need to reign these cowboys in and shut them down!”

    Congressman B says: “Hold on, there A… let me make a quick call over to Revenue.”

    Congressman B on the phone with a top level IRS official: “Can you query (DFS Site)‘s taxpayer ID number for withholdings outstanding for the calendar year please?”

    IRS Official: “Sure Congressman B, give me a few seconds.” Logs in to TECS and queries the taxpayer ID which takes all of 60 seconds. “Ah, Congressman B… they have $100,000,000 in outstanding withholdings on the year.”

    Congressman B: “Thanks” click. “Yeah, Congressman A… we’ll reign the ropes in, but we aren’t shutting down anything! We are going to make sure they thrive and keep a close eye on them.”

    LOL that’s not even close to how our messed up government works. If one of these morons thought they could get their name out there or garner some votes by making DFS a major issue, they wouldn’t blink an eye to starting a crusade against the industry.

  • padlock

    http://bit.ly/1RrJGBu…..
    lol
    nice chart

  • FightingIrishND

    @letterj007 said...

    Fair enough.

    Let’s see a statement regarding all of his FD baseball lineups.

    This.

    The people still comparing this to NFL-Thu games owned numbers just are on another planet with their thinking and just dont get it.

    This is game changing. This info for MLB is what is bugging me.

  • bmac5888

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Is it actually feasible for NO ONE to have access to lineup information? Doesn’t someone have to have access to this information to solve customer support issues prior to lineup lock, or other possible technical issues? Obviously this information needs to be heavily monitored and detained, but not sure it is possible to give no employees access to it.

    Completely agree that there is no reason to have an article on ownership percentages immediately after the 1 PM games have begun, even if it only includes 1 PM players. I always thought DK Playbook (and Fanduel Insider) was a terrible idea to begin with. The sites should not be in the business of providing strategy/plays on their own site.

    You are right there is no way for no one to have access, but for people that are playing other sites to have access is just frustrating. If you want to write an article on Tuesday about the previous weekend go ahead, but while games are going on is just too much. If I go to the dfs players conference in new York I can’t wait to hear the Q&A session now haha.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @letterj007 said...

    Fair enough.

    Let’s see a statement regarding all of his FD baseball lineups.

    Why would they make a statement on that when their is no ounce of evidence that something “unethical” occurred with his baseball lineups? Unless their employees can access real time ownership percentages (how trustworthy are they in baseball with so many last minute changes due to lineups being released late anyway?), I don’t see how this is even called into question.

    They should absolutely clarify what employees have access to what data, but this shouldn’t continue to be about Ethan in my opinion. It’s an overall issue where the sites should take a step back and reevaluate their processes and what data employees are able to access, and make sure that things are as iron clad as possible to prevent this information from leaking out or being used for financial gain. I think not allowing employees to play on other sites is a good first step.

  • electrichaz3

    @inkognegro said...

    Only difference is that it is national news…it is everywhere….UB scandal was confined to the poker world, big difference between 2p2 p5s hsdb and cnn nbc fox cbs

    i don’t care if Donald trump walks out to the next debate on CNN wearing a f dk shirt. people are still going to make their lineups and gambol.

  • padlock

    those august baseball stats are kinda sweet ethan lol wow

  • madmanjayWV

    @padlock said...

    http://bit.ly/1RrJGBu…..
    lol
    nice chart

    was wondering if ANY1 had posted this yet or not

    http://larrybrownsports.com/fantasy/ethan-haskell-draft-kings-fanduel-profile/276741

    I guess old DK and ETHAN can get on the phone to the lawyers on TUESDAY and sue sue sue sue sue sue sue FOR LIBEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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