NFL FORUM

Comments

  • colinwdrew

    • 509

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

    • 2021 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

    • Link
    • Last Updated 4 years ago
  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Georgesteele said...

    You are going way out of your way to defend something that is clearly cheating.

    I am not defending anyone. I understand that things weren’t handled as they should have been , but I am not going to make assumptions about things I don’t have all the facts about and I certainly don’t believe I have been cheated in any way. If I did , I wouldn’t put my money out there. Anybody that believes cheating is taking place and still plays is a fool and I doubt anyone in this thread has quit playing

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

    • Blogger of the Month

    • Beer Pong Champion

    ok, since im tired of the accusations and wanted to know for myself, could Ethan have built his team using only the field report posted on RotoGrinders here on Thursday after lineups lock and without insider information?

    Here’s an image of his lineup from the millionaire on FD in week 3

    and here’s a link to the RG field report

    I also added the ownership %s from the playbook article linked in the top post

    Player Thursday Ownership Sunday Ownership DK Ownership per Playbook
    Andy Dalton 3.1% 2.3% 2.5%
    Adrian Peterson 11% 18% 22.36%
    Devonta Freeman 5.5% 6.7% 7.97%
    Randall Cobb 5.2% 8.2% not shown in PB
    A.J. Green 1.6% 4.4% 5.99%
    Allen Hurns 1.1% 2% 2.08%
    Greg Olsen 5.2% 10.5% 8.29%
    Stephen Gostkowski 11.4% 10.7% not shown in PB
    Seattle D/ST 18.1% 22.6% not shown in PB

    So basically, all except for his QB and his K ownership percentages went down from the thursday ownership. and the numbers that are shown are very similar from DK to FD.

    My point is he didn’t need the DK numbers to build his team from low owned players. All he needed were the FD numbers THAT ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE ON THIS SITE EVERY THURSDAY.

  • planetbeyond

    http://larrybrownsports.com/fantasy/ethan-haskell-draft-kings-fanduel-profile/276741

    The calendar chart of this guy’s MLB winnings is absolutely ridiculous. Having said that, the sane part of me says that even if he had access to ownership percentages before 1:00pm and used that to set his lineup on Fanduel, I honestly don’t feel like that gives him any advantage over the rest of us. After all, we all have access to those numbers after the Thursday night game. Sure, those numbers are skewed a bit by the Thursday night players but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out where the ownership of those players will gravitate to on the Sunday slates.

    I can’t get past his MBL winnings though. If I put on my tinfoil hat for a minute, I call b.s. on him winning that big and that consistently simply by knowing which players would be low owned ahead of time. Try putting together 100 lineups of low owned players sometime and let me know how that works out for you. No, those kind of winnings by an insider make me wonder all kinds of crazy things that have nothing to do with seeing ownership percentages. For instance, is it completely out of the realm of possibility that he can see the lineups of top players before lock? Is it possible that he is working with someone inside Fanduel? Is it possible that he can make changes to his lineups after lock while the games are in progress?

    At this point though, it doesn’t really matter if these things aren’t happening because people believe they are. Just read through this thread. The only real answer is regulation at this point. I know that’s a dirty word for a lot of folks but it doesn’t have to be. Vegas used to be an unregulated free for all and as a result, people stopped going their. These days though, because of the Nevada Gaming Commission, I can go there and be supremely confident that I won’t be cheated. I think that those of us that enjoy DFS and care about its future should be supporting common sense regulation.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @FightingIrishND said...

    Ive seen you call people fools and dumb in this thread. Is that called for?

    Ive seen another guy call people brainless chicken littles.

    Like wow. Thats what needs moderation if anything.

    Are those words called for ? Probably not and I apologize , but the level of BS that is going on is maddening.

  • jeffreybuckets

    It looks like this situation has created a great divide among RG users!

    Another consequence of what has happened

  • electrichaz3

    @TnRiddles said...

    This may be the dumbest post in the entire thread. People like this are the death of DFS , not the mistake Ethan/DK made

    agreed. Ethan did nothing wrong. some of the people that have led the witch hunt in this thread deserve the ban hammer and also an investigation should be started to determine exactly how people this dumb found this site and the internet in the first place. truly mind boggling

  • FightingIrishND

    @hambazaza said...

    ok, since im tired of the accusations and wanted to know for myself, could Ethan have built his team using only the field report posted on RotoGrinders here on Thursday after lineups lock and without insider information?

    Here’s an image of his lineup from the millionaire on FD in week 3

    and here’s a link to the RG field report

    I also added the ownership %s from the playbook article linked in the top post

    Player Thursday Ownership Sunday Ownership DK Ownership per Playbook
    Andy Dalton 3.1% 2.3% 2.5%
    Adrian Peterson 11% 18% 22.36%
    Devonta Freeman 5.5% 6.7% 7.97%
    Randall Cobb 5.2% 8.2% not shown in PB
    A.J. Green 1.6% 4.4% 5.99%
    Allen Hurns 1.1% 2% 2.08%
    Greg Olsen 5.2% 10.5% 8.29%
    Stephen Gostkowski 11.4% 10.7% not shown in PB
    Seattle D/ST 18.1% 22.6% not shown in PB

    So basically, all except for his QB and his K ownership percentages went down from the thursday ownership. and the numbers that are shown are very similar from DK to FD.

    My point is he didn’t need the DK numbers to build his team from low owned players. All he needed were the FD numbers THAT ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE ON THIS SITE EVERY THURSDAY.

    Thats common sense the problem was that he released info before late games started. And DK is a site where the numbers are released as the game starts yet he had EVERYTHING at his fingertips at 2:30pm.

    Who has access to this data?
    Who authorizes it to be given out?
    What are the back logs on said data being given out?

    etc etc I think this is what has people rightfully up in arms.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    My thoughts are that these types of threads are a waste of time and its just another attempt for someone to draw some attention to themselves

  • sack

    @electrichaz3 said...

    this is a joke, and shame on the pros and those involved in the industry not combatting one dumb post at a time.

    people posting graphs like its actually something to look at. omg…he made money!!! look honey he must be a superuser, u alert CNN, I’ll alert fox!

    So according to you he is totally innocent because….?

    The point is the questions need to be asked and get answered. If he had access to info and he didn’t play DFS then there are no questions. But the fact is he had access to inside highly relevant information and he came in 2nd place out of 200,000+ entries while using a lineup that featured mostly low ownership percentage players. Does any of this prove guilt or innocence? No. But does it raise a red flag to the point where it deserves to be looked into? For sure.

    And the graph that someone posted is useful. It shows frequent high place finishes almost on a daily basis in decent size tournaments. He could be ‘that good’ or he could be doing something nefarious. Need to see the entire player history to judge better.

  • detroittigers44

    So after running through this marathon of a thread a few questions still remain in my mind, lets focus on these….

    1. Just because DraftKings says that he was presented the information at 1:40PM, do we have any reason to believe this to be true? If I was being accused of cheating I sure as hell would have got the data at 1:40PM too…. I know they can say whatever they want, but are we supposed to have blind faith?

    2. If in fact he was able to access data early, who else has this same advantage? In addition to that, what is the possibility that every employee having access to data kept that information completely to themselves? This is what is scary… You could have the data and still not win on a regular basis, but eventually over time this information would certainly be enough to qualify as an advantage. We don’t know if 20 people had this information, or 1 person, and we also don’t know who these people talk to following obtaining it.

    3. What is next despite all of this talk of things getting shut down? DFS isn’t going away, but I sure hope that DK and FD can come up with a better statement than they have so far. Give us something that actually MIGHT seem credible as far as a response and as far as what is being done to prevent this from ever happening again.

    4. If DK or FD needs someone for research, I would gladly accept $100,000 or so to mass entry a ton of tournaments and see if I can go on a serious heater too.. (just making sure you are all still reading)

  • electrichaz3

    @thekeech said...

    I truly hope they listen to you. I think fanduel and draftkings have some legitimate concerns, and are mishandling the situation by remaining silent. Add to that, the so called ‘grinder’ community that believes in insulting and berating these ‘brainless chicken littles’, who you once called fish. No arguments to be made, no reassuring that it may be good for the industry to get it out of the way and this will lead to safer dfs, just plain ol’ name callin’ . Seems like FD and DK aren’t the only ones who have forgotten where their money comes from.

    see tapping the tank in this case is good. as it was back then when these same fools would deposit money, get outplayed consistently while still thinking they were good and just being cheated.

    then they would create posts online about how they were hoodwinked and how evil online poker was and how they were cheated. I don’t care how much rake you pay as a fish or how much money I make from you. if you’re going to be immmature and you cannot take your.losses like a man you need to go do something else.

  • letterj007

    @FightingIrishND said...

    Thats common sense the problem was that he released info before late games started. And DK is a site where the numbers are released as the game starts yet he had EVERYTHING at his fingertips at 2:30pm.

    Who has access to this data?
    Who authorizes it to be given out?
    What are the back logs on said data being given out?

    etc etc I think this is what has people rightfully up in arms.

    If we keep saying it, maybe somebody will address the overarching problem

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

    • Blogger of the Month

    • Beer Pong Champion

    @FightingIrishND said...

    Thats common sense the problem was that he released info before late games started. And DK is a site where the numbers are released as the game starts yet he had EVERYTHING at his fingertips at 2:30pm.

    Who has access to this data?
    Who authorizes it to be given out?
    What are the back logs on said data being given out?

    etc etc I think this is what has people rightfully up in arms.

    yup, that is the general consensus, I was just trying to add rationality to the few who haven’t gotten to that point in the discussion yet.

  • periewe

    @FightingIrishND said...

    Ive seen you call people fools and dumb in this thread. Is that called for?

    Ive seen another guy call people brainless chicken littles.

    Like wow. Thats what needs moderation if anything.

    The whole point is the healthiest thing for DK and FD is not to allow employees/contractors access to prelock data to play on the other sites and not leak prelock information to friends, family, or business partners.

    How can that get done and how can DK and FD guarantee it?

  • CaptainKirk12

    • x2

      2016 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2016 FanDuel NFL Playboy Mansion Finalist

    All this would go away if DK would issue something other then a blanket statement.

    Just tell us the checks and balances that were in place. Show some type of log/record proving that the info had to be requested and is not easily available (maybe this will have a time stamp showing the data was received after lineup lock). Lay out a plan going forward and lets all move on.

  • budfox6

    Fantasy sports scandal…coming up on CNBC again lol.

  • tomac

    @TnRiddles said...

    I agree that the misinformation is the biggest concern.

    Which misinformation? The one from the side you choose to believe?

  • phillygamecox

    @electrichaz3 said...

    agreed. Ethan did nothing wrong. some of the people that have led the witch hunt in this thread deserve the ban hammer and also an investigation should be started to determine exactly how people this dumb found this site and the internet in the first place. truly mind boggling

    Again, totally agree this whole thread is way out of hand. But there isn’t any argument to be made that Ethan did nothing wrong. Maybe it’s semantics and we can call it a “mistake.” But, I don’t think anybody can say Ethan is in the clear here—it’s that post that started this discussion in the first place.

  • clcarroll91

    ‘Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful’ – Warren Buffett

    I may have a problem, but I’ll be playing heavier than normal this week.

  • letterj007

    @CaptainKirk12 said...

    All this would go away if DK would issue something other then a blanket statement.

    Just tell us the checks and balances that were in place. Show some type of log/record proving that the info had to be requested and is not easily available (maybe this will have a time stamp showing the data was received after lineup lock). Lay out a plan going forward and lets all move on.

    And the same logs for baseball this summer, and especially during the impugned “heater”.

  • mchin1027

    @mchin1027 said...

    Before anybody takes this thread the wrong way, I 100% am not accusing anyone of any wrongdoing. I know there is a huge thread about the ownership leak, but I wanted to start a separate discussion focusing on people other than Ethan.

    Adam Levitan hosts a DK podcast, with CSURAM and AlSmizzle (who join once a week). Adam is also a regular contributor on Playbook.

    In a podcast last week, Adam also pointed out the the winner of the listener league, a DK tournament for listeners of the podcast, was won by another writer on Playbook.

    We know now that Ethan has access to information not available to the public. His job description on Linkedin is “Managing editors and overall goals/vision of the DraftKings Playbook – the written content provider of DraftKings.com’

    Is it not absurd, that Draftkings has a policy in place which prevents employees from playing on Draftkings (potentially because they have an unfair advantage), but yet there are at least two other writers for Playbook who clearly do?

    Maybe Adam is an independent contractor, maybe he doesn’t have access to the same databases Ethan does. But given the scrutiny now facing the industry, I think DK should immediately shut down the podcast and Playbook, and remove any affiliation with people like Adam, CSURAM, etc.

    Thoughts?

    so 67 pages, mostly of people still discussing whether Ethan cheated to place second in the Sunday Million, and my thread gets moved here.

  • headChopper

    RG Contributor (OG Status)

    • 222

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #37

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • x2

      $1M Prize Winner

    • 2014 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    Wow. This could have been a good building ground to expose to flaws in the sites management of data in a constructive way and get the ball rolling on changes that needed to be made. Instead it turned into a bashing of certain people without any proof that and wrong was done.
    Not only that, but all the false cries of conspiracy, cheating and fraud- without one iota of evidence- has drawn so much negative attention on the industry (that was already disliked by outsiders for reasons I stated in my previous post) that the media took it and ran with the negativity.
    So I hope this isn’t the case, but in a year from now, when you guys are sitting around on a Tuesday night, with no MLB daily fantasy or NBA to play, the error of your ways is going to smack you in the face like a brick.
    There are proper ways to constructively get the ball rolling on change….and then there is the way that a portion of you chose to go about it in this thread.

  • w3junky

    Pigs Get Fat, Hogs Get Slaughtered

  • bonuscash

    • 2019 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • x2

      2014 FAFC Finalist

    We need the FSTA to make a rule that any employee of an FSTA-member site cannot enter tourneys in other FSTA-member sites. Granted, they could still make accounts in family or friend’s names but at least its a good start.

  • Fortyoz40

    I love people who complain on
    Rotogrinders about other people complaining on Rotogrinders.

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

Subforum Index

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ/WV/PA/MI), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-888-532-3500 (VA) or call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN).