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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • tommygmets86

    @WhiskeyTavon4 said...

    If anyone were to do a thorough research assignment on the huge success DK employees have had in large field gpp’s in the past two years on competitors sites it might look bad and perhaps this is where this controversy is headed but I just think their employees are smart.

    Since I’m being labeled as a tin-foil hat guy from my last posts, I want to say I also agree with this – the employees I know for DK/FD both started as top fantasy players and started working at the sites BECAUSE of that.

  • KevBaile

    @jmo26 said...

    For the record, I gave your post a thumbs-up, but only because I mis-clicked. Let’s just say I agree that it’s the tinfoil hat doing the talking.

    There’s very little that’s being said for the first time at this point, and I’m sure this has already been discussed ad nauseam, but I would have unlinked too. I don’t think it’s evidence of anything – the kid’s being put under a microscope, which is not likely something he’s accustomed to, and he’s removing himself from the public eye wherever possible (perhaps after being instructed to do so).

    Do I think it was a mistake to unlink himself? Yes, but I don’t think it proves a thing. People need to stop pretending they’re Columbo, and focus on what they do know, which involves the sites themselves and not any one individual.

    There was no reason to unlink, unless to avoid scrutiny. Does that PROVE he misused inside info to go on that insane MLB heater? No. Does it cast further suspicion? Yes, and rightfully so.

  • winsome

    @budfox6 said...

    At least they’re not public companies yets, because the audits would reveal a lot more and the wall street short sellers would be all over this lol.

    I would imagine that this is one of the issues that was uncovered during UW/vetting by Disney which may be a reason for the sudden 180 and decision to just take the ad rev.

  • DannyTanner

    This thread has gone way off the rails. At this point, who cares what was done with the information — it’s all in the past and directing all of the anger at a mid-level employee at a supposed billion dollar company is silly.

    The anger should be directed at the companies themselves, who have been dangerously thinking short term for a long time now. It looks like it’s finally caught up to them.

    Every “scandal” or “issue” that has come up over the years has been swept under the rug for the most part with the results clearly favoring a small, but very profitable, group of players. And that’s led to the good ‘ol boy/insiders perception that helped blow this thread into uncharted territory.

    Whether that good ‘ol boy network exists or not, I think it’s become obvious that many think it does. And many have used their voice to make sure this issue doesn’t go away.

    We’ll likely never know what happened with Ethan, and frankly who cares? The damage has been done.

    But the damage wasn’t done by Ethan, the damage has been done by the companies who have been focused on the short term for way too long. Guess what? The long term is here and the start isn’t very pretty.

    It’s time to start looking at things other than customer acquisition. It’s time to give an even playing field to the guy playing $10 worth of games and the guy playing $100,000 worth of games. It’s time to get rid of the perception that the DFS industry is only for a profitable few.

  • sutogame

    DK and FD should send an email to the 99% saying employees are banned from playing on competitors sites.

    Second of all if they want to play they should create employee only leagues.

    Hopefully this post does not get deleted.

    This is the solution.
    Were going to risk this industry for less than 1% of the playing population?

  • winsome

    @Jfud81 said...

    MLB, which owns a piece of DraftKings, said they were surprised employees could play

    https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/651428773515128833

    Rovell weighs in.

    Let the walkbacks begin. This is a scandal and the big boy investors are about to start bailing. No other choice

  • bhdevault

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    @MikeMineo said...

    this is an awesome run, but again more in line with a typical run, since you did awesome 9/30 days.

    Ethan did awesome (top 0.5%) about 22/30 days in a month, in contests with more than triple-digit entrants.

    and you’re a great DFS player with that run who has always been good. you prob consider it a great run, and you should. but imagine if it was 3x better?

    So basically unless someone can post a run EXACTLY the same as Ethan’s, you won’t admit it’s possible.

    SMH

  • skywalker

    @Myballzachertz said...

    Why are the big dogs not comenting on this? I am just curious

    For the same reasons you don’t see professional athletes commenting on debatable situations to the press. Between the “pros” individual partnerships and RGs partnerships with almost all the sites.. they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by jumping the gun and becoming involved before the legitimate facts comes out.

    Even though I would love to hear their thoughts, and appreciate the limited feedback i’ve seen from some of them, they are smart by keeping quiet right now.

  • letterj007

    @winsome said...

    Let the walkbacks begin. This is a scandal and the big boy investors are about to start bailing. No other choice

    And IF MLB bails, will some still maintain that nothing untoward happened??

    I’m still waiting for full disclosure of the logs…

  • MrCalzone

    Sites should hire an independent auditor who conducts reviews of all the safeguards in place. Put up the money to hire a Big 4 Accounting Firm and let them publish a review each quarter to ease concerns.

    Problem solved.

  • smutpeddlers

    As bad as everyone is saying this is for dfs, I think this is a good thing and will lead to transparency.

    For the talk that there shouldn’t be any invetigating to see if wrong doing was done before milly maker would also be ignorant. DK only made statememt about Milly maker incident from a internal investigation.

    Unfortunately this guy Haskell is right in the middle of a shit storm. When your a public figure in a community, you get tried in the court of public opinion way before any real evidence will ever come out. I can just say the way things “look” and “coincidences” that maybe, are 100% not helping people feel fuzzy about him or the situation . For people people that are say no way he didn’t do that, you can’t be for sure and don’t have the facts to say he didn’t. I myself am on the side he didn’t cheat but as of now, no one has facts about anything except that he won tons of dough in a short time. To 100% say he didnt cheat is doing just as bad a disservice as those 100% concinced he did. I am open minded and like to look at both sides, I just know how it looks and it doesn’t look good at a glance. Which most people who play DFS are not as deeply involved as many Grinders. I think that people jumping down others throats have to see how the big picture looks, and that my friend is not good.

  • shark61350

    https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/651428773515128833

    I’m thinking Rovell might have misunderstood the question. Of course employees are not supposed to play on their own DFS sites but it was still allowable to play on competitors.

    Or maybe he did understand the question & MLB did not vet before making a huge investment?

  • wcweyman24

    With the New York Times covering this as a SCANDAL, and the article saying representatives were already looking into it, its only a matter of time before it comes to an abrupt end like poker did. I know for a fact PA Attorney General Kane was digging into it before her own scandal. Article attached for those who haven’t seen it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/sports/fanduel-draftkings-fantasy-employees-bet-rivals.html?_r=0

  • KevBaile

    @headChopper said...

    BeepImaJeep won 4 seats in 4 days.
    DFS happens

    You guys keep citing mini-heaters that lasted from a few days to MAYBE a week. For 31 straight days, Haskell won almost every day. I’ve only been following DFS for about a year, and only playing since August, but I’ve never seen a run like that.

  • dude_abides7

    @gje627 said...

    Sorry if this post is redundant, but ESPN Outside the Lines will be addressing this today at 1:30 pm Eastern Time. Here is the link to the preview http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13820675

    Does anyone else find it interesting that in this preview they:

    1) Continue to run with the narrative that the info WAS USED in a manner that would be deemed below board.

    2) They somehow draw a connection to the “Ethan-gate” scandal and the botched call on last nights game?

    Set your DVR’s to 1:30pm. This should be interesting.

  • Dainfamusgc

    @smutpeddlers said...

    As bad as everyone is saying this is for dfs, I think this is a good thing and will lead to transparency.

    Unfortunately this guy Haskell is right in the middle of a shit storm. When your a public figure in a community, you get tried in the court of public opinion way before any real evidence will ever come out. I can just say the way things “look” and “coincidences” that maybe, are 100% not helping people feel fuzzy about him or the situation . For people people that are say no way he didn’t do that, you can’t be for sure and don’t have the facts to say he didn’t. I myself am on the side he didn’t cheat but as of now, no one has facts about anything except that he won tons of dough in a short time. I am open minded and like to look at both sides, I just know how it looks and it doesn’t look good at a glance. Which most people who play DFS are not as deeply involved as many Grinders. I think that people jumping down others throats have to see how the big picture looks, and that my friend is not good.

    I’m sorry but it just doesn’t look good for this guy, not to mention now everything is unlinked just casts even more suspicion

  • MikeMineo

    @KevBaile said...

    I’ve only been following DFS for about a year, and only playing since August, but I’ve never seen a run like that.

    me either. I’ve been playing around the same time. the only responses I’m getting are mini-heaters where it’s 4 days straight.

    the closest I’ve seen posted as an actual comparison is headchopper’s 9 days, but he’s also a great player and that is still less than half the success of Ethan’s run.

  • habes1289

    @letterj007 said...

    And IF MLB bails, will some still maintain that nothing untoward happened??

    No, but they have no real incentive to bail. While they of course need to look out for themselves, they put a nice little PR statement out there that will do the trick from their end. I can’t imagine they are about to lose the benefits of such a strong partnership over this. Not unless there becomes an almost impossible about pressure on them.

    I’m a believer that baseball, more than any of the other sports, benefits most from DFS. While this whole thing looks optically horrible, this isn’t a bad enough scandal where they would voluntarily throw away millions of dollars on the basis of morality.

    I could be wrong, of course, but I would be surprised.

  • stevietpfl

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    They just had a 5min segment on ESPN about it.

  • crazypaul

    @srolleDFS said...

    exactly!

    the people were hired bc they were good at dfs. the companies need people that understand dfs. would u hire someone that was terrible at playing dfs to work for you on dfs?

    Thats simply not true. You dont need DFS knowledge to work on the operational side of this business. Plenty of operation jobs can be performed without having a vast knowledge of the industry they are in. Do you think a network admin for DK needs to know who Tom Brady is to perform his job? Anyone with access to information should not be able to play DFS.

    As far as anyone without access to information (DKTV/Writers/Non-operational staff), they should be able to as long as it’s guaranteed somehow they cant get access to confidential information. This problem began because a request for information was made so he could write an article, which to be honest, should not have been approved until Tuesday.

  • alz230

    http://careers.draftkings.com/

    Reading through the “DK Family Values” is quite entertaining

  • Jfud81

    Roger Goodell approves of the way DK and FD have handled this.

  • shark61350

    IDK, investors have pulled out for far, far less.

  • MikeMineo

    who undertook the investigation to find no unfair advantage (as ESPN is reporting)? if it was internal (or done by a sponsor like ESPN) then it’s not going to change anyone’s opinion. Volkswagen wasn’t caught red-handed until an independent investigation was launched. their internal investigations were rigged. many billion-dollar companies rig these types of investigations for PR purposes. not saying DK did this, but skepticism is warranted from anyone who reads the news.

    this will be looked into by higher governmental forces regardless so I guess it’s just prudent to wait and see. of course Draftings isn’t going to find themselves guilty of wrongdoing when there is billions at stake.

  • crazypaul

    @stevietpfl said...

    Stevie, I get what you are saying, but “Draftkings finds..” is the problem. DFS needs an un-biased 3rd party to keep these matters in check.

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