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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • bmac5888

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    BRING DRAFTSTREET BACK lol

  • letterj007

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Does anyone else find it interesting that in this preview they:

    1) Continue to run with the narrative that the info WAS USED in a manner that would be deemed below board.

    2) They somehow draw a connection to the “Ethan-gate” scandal and the botched call on last nights game?

    Set your DVR’s to 1:30pm. This should be interesting.

    “1) Continue to run with the narrative that the info WAS USED in a manner that would be deemed below board.”

    Yup. There is more here than we are currently aware of. As I stated yesterday, I cannot imagine the NY Times ran a story on conjecture. I cannot, despite what I think of them as a paper.

    Let’s see the proof.

    FWIW, I recently argued a circumstantial case on appeal. Fella was convicted. The judges asked me if my client didn’t do it, who did, as all of the evidence they saw pointed in one direction??

    As to the DK “scandal” (it’s trending…lovely), what we do know points in one direction, and those alleged complicit are saying nothing.

  • stevietpfl

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    @crazypaul said...

    Thats simply not true. You dont need DFS knowledge to work on the operational side of this business. Plenty of operation jobs can be performed without having a vast knowledge of the industry they are in. Do you think a network admin for DK needs to know who Tom Brady is to perform his job? Anyone with access to information should not be able to play DFS.

    As far as anyone without access to information (DKTV/Writers/Non-operational staff), they should be able to as long as it’s guaranteed somehow they cant get access to confidential information. This problem began because a request for information was made so he could write an article, which to be honest, should not have been approved until Tuesday.

    The pricing on each site would be bad if they didn’t have people working on it that was very involved in the industry. imo.

  • winsome

    MLB is still dealing with Pete Rose and his gambling issues. The last thing they want is for this type of scandal to be attached to them no matter how indirect. The public wears blinders and the media sensationalizes so it’ll be pretty simple to make a roadmap that could blemish their brand. They’re not gonna forsake billions to keep making a few million.

  • noddy

    Any chance they go in a freeze our money like they did with poker?

  • winsome

    @noddy said...

    Any chance they go in a freeze our money like they did with poker?

    A chance? Absolutely.

  • mellofellowsu

    @winsome said...

    Let the walkbacks begin. This is a scandal and the big boy investors are about to start bailing. No other choice

    Doubtful.

    The alarmist rhetoric has definitely ratcheted up a few notches in the last 24 hours.

  • KevBaile

    @eddiemunstor said...

    2. Sharks travel in packs and protect each other.

    Exactly. But at least it’s refreshing that at least a guy like Peter Christensen doesn’t seem to be just spouting the company line.

  • Cal

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    @MikeMineo said...

    really looking forward to that chart then

    if someone’s ever been a hotter run than Ethan’s we should probably bow down and consider them a god of forecasting random dongs.

    I’m genuinely more interested at this point how it’s even possible to guess, nearly every day for a month, the outcomes of individual players in MLB and do better than 99.5% of other competitive players in the process, ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR A MONTH.

    if someone has that forecasting ability, just wow.

    Mike, you need to take a step back and consider multi entry on these posts. These are not single entry GPPs. He beat 99.5% of players with his top finishing team. This is not an extreme outlier. It’s nowhere near as extreme as BeepImAJeep’s qualifier run that others are mentioning, for example.

  • budfox6

    @noddy said...

    Any chance they go in a freeze our money like they did with poker?

    lol that might make the situation worse, so I guess I wouldn’t put it past them. Watch paypal crash….

  • rgyanks

    @stevietpfl said...

    The pricing on each site would be bad if they didn’t have people working on it that was very involved in the industry. imo.

    I think the argument is that those people should be highly compensated and not allowed to play anywhere.

  • shark61350

    DK finds no wrong doing, is anyone surprised? I wrote this on pg 69 & is even more true know.

    Personally, I feel betrayed. I’ve withdrawn my money until these sites can prove they care about internal control/access issues. I don’t care about Ethan. FD/DK have been playing loose with their own rules & procedures for a while now.

    Remember the scripting issue? That was against their TOS & both denied its existence until it was proven here as fact. However, instead of honoring their contract with us & punishing the violators they choose to look the other way & change the rules to benefit their highest volume players. Can they really be trusted or competent to complete their own investigation?!

    FSTA, an advocacy group? Recognize any familiar names? http://fsta.org/about/fsta-board-of-directors

    The problem is a lack of transparency & trust. I predict the MN & NJ Attorney Generals will both be issuing statements today

  • McShuvin

    Here’s the problem…people are looking for answers that they will never get. The DFS community is very similar to the online poker community…and unfortunately..we’ve all seen this movie before. I myself have to admit that at times I’ve had countless suspicions about how the sites are regulated…and who has access to what info. Things like this just open up Pandora’s Box when there’s already a large number of people that dont trust the sites integrity. There are people that are gonna say that if you don’t trust the site’s integrity…then you shouldn’t play….my response to that would be…correct…but you have to factor in the amount of people who are new to DFS and a probably started off trusting the sites…but then started to see the certain players just constantly be better than them. Some people don’t understand how much work it takes to be good at DFS….they just deem the player as being lucky or having some type of advantage. Then something like this happens……and it only confirms their thoughts….

  • letterj007

    @Cal said...

    Mike, you need to take a step back and consider multi entry on these posts. These are not single entry GPPs. He beat 99.5% of players with his top finishing team. He had incredible success, but this is not an extreme outlier. It’s nowhere near as extreme as BeepImAJeep’s qualifier run that others are mentioning for example.

    Good. Cal’s here.

    Where’s the full disclosure statement from DK that they said was coming on Monday??

  • winsome

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Doubtful.

    Keep an eye on ESPN today and see if DFS commercials remain static.

  • eddiemunstor

    Bring back the Warren Commission to investigate this. Surely they’ll get to the bottom of it……

    That or the NFL since they did such a bang up job on Spygate and DeflateGate.

  • clcarroll91

    Can we all agree on one thing…please nobody take Darren Rovell seriously.

    And a side note, follow @RovellReplies on twitter if you’re not already.

  • easternmh

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    @winsome said...

    MLB is still dealing with Pete Rose and his gambling issues. The last thing they want is for this type of scandal to be attached to them no matter how indirect. The public wears blinders and the media sensationalizes so it’ll be pretty simple to make a roadmap that could blemish their brand. They’re not gonna forsake billions to keep making a few million.

    Disagree… They’re also not stupid and know that they only way to grow their game is by ratings. How do you bring in ratings??? Well we all know that answer

  • MikeMineo

    @Cal said...

    Mike, you need to take a step back and consider multi entry on these posts. These are not single entry GPPs. He beat 99.5% of players with his top finishing team. He had incredible success, but this is not an extreme outlier. It’s nowhere near as extreme as BeepImAJeep’s qualifier run that others are mentioning for example.

    this is a great point, and I wish I knew how many lineups he was putting in those days (any way to obtain that data?), because yes – if he’s putting in 500 lineups into each tourney then those results seem A LOT more realistic.

    however, I consider finishing in top 0.5% of four-figure entrant contests over nearly 31 days straight to be more extreme than a guy winning a 100-person qualifier four days in a row, regardless of how many lineups are being used.

    I look at it as more “per slate”… if a guy knows the slate well, he’s going to do well. beep knew the slate perfectly four days in a row. awesome. that happens. but someone knowing the slate THAT well in MLB for a month straight? eh. each slate is an entirely different research opportunity, so yeah I consider doing extraordinarily well in 20-something slates a lot more impressive than doing well in 4 qualifiers over a similar span.

    I would still consider the run VERY impressive even if he max entered every contest, though, which I highly doubt he did. I mean, it’s BASEBALL. off days happen due to the game’s volatility. I’m more shocked by the fact that he didn’t have ONE bad day, as opposed to the fact that he did so well.

    but yes, all the info isn’t here. i still am skeptical, but I’m going to take a step back from this “Ethan’s great run” topic and instead focus on what should be the issue, which is the sensitivity of data in DFS. my main concern is the potential for DK/FD employees to sell data (ownership %s, who a great player has ample exposure to, etc) to sharks seeking an advantage. without regulation I don’t see how this can be prevented, at least in terms of suppressing the understandable desire for an employee to earn a paycheck by copying and pasting 4-5 player names in gchat to a shark. imo a third party needs to be in place to store and facilitate this data to prevent potential internal fraud. even assuming Ethan did nothing wrong, these safeguards need to be in place for other and future employees.

  • dude_abides7

    @DannyTanner said...

    This thread has gone way off the rails. At this point, who cares what was done with the information — it’s all in the past and directing all of the anger at a mid-level employee at a supposed billion dollar company is silly.

    The anger should be directed at the companies themselves, who have been dangerously thinking short term for a long time now. It looks like it’s finally caught up to them.

    Trust me…there is enough anger to go around. I for one have my anger aimed DIRECTLY at the sites. Where as of now we can’t prove Ethan did anything wrong, I think it can be undeniably proven that DK and FD have been seriously negligent in their duties to keep DFS legitimate and fair for everyone.

    They have dropped the ball and are solely responsible for what happens next. I certainly think you can maintain the position that you want DFS to survive, but you still think high up decision makers at DK/FD should lose their job. They DESERVE to lose their job. The more likely scenario is that Ethan will be made the scapegoat and the suits that run these rackets will live on to screw up another day.

  • phillygamecox

    @Cal said...

    Mike, you need to take a step back and consider multi entry on these posts. These are not single entry GPPs. He beat 99.5% of players with his top finishing team. He had incredible success, but this is not an extreme outlier. It’s nowhere near as extreme as BeepImAJeep’s qualifier run that others are mentioning for example.

    Agreed Cal, and hits my post from a few pages back. If you are stacking hundreds of baseball lineups per night, you most likely will hit with one of them. I’m not taking any side here, but if he was hitting on over 50% of his lineups per night, then something might be up. But, from what I’ve seen only 1-3 of his lineups per night were placing in the top 5%. I sometimes would put up TONS of lineups a night in baseball and pray 1 of those lineups got into the top 1%. Most nights they don’t, but cracking 5% with 1 lineup while putting in tons of entries can be done consistently.

  • theseige

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    @dude_abides7 said...

    The more likely scenario is that Ethan will be made the scapegoat and the suits that run these rackets will live on to screw up another day.

    I like the fact Ethan can’t play on Draftkings… i really don’t want him to get fired and get to play on both sites… no thanks

  • crazypaul

    @shark61350 said...

    I don’t care about Ethan. FD/DK have been playing loose with their own rules & procedures for a while now.

    Remember the scripting issue? That was against their TOS & both denied its existence until it was proven here as fact. However, instead of honoring their contract with us & punishing the violators they choose to look the other way & change the rules to benefit their highest volume players. Can they really be trusted or competent to complete their own investigation?!

    These are the exact reasons I wont just take the sites word for it.

  • deactivated17417

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Does anyone else find it interesting that in this preview they:

    1) Continue to run with the narrative that the info WAS USED in a manner that would be deemed below board.

    2) They somehow draw a connection to the “Ethan-gate” scandal and the botched call on last nights game?

    Set your DVR’s to 1:30pm. This should be interesting.

    Yup. ESPN is a hack organization. They don’t like to let the truth or facts get in the way of a good story. It is going to be a hatchet job.

  • winsome

    SI’s article has some interesting sidebars.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/10/06/daily-fantasy-sports-legality-draftkings-fanduel-insider-trading

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