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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Putz

    @Gfry3 said...

    I think this is laughable. This would give “pros” a HUGE advantage and it would make doing your homework pointless. Great example, Mike Warren was a solid sleeper option yesterday in CFB, if you did your homework you knew that but was still around 11% owned. Well someone with zero knowledge comes in and says ohh why is this random Ia St running back owned at 14%? Looks him up and plays him, now the edge I had is gone. It would be a complete joke. I understand everyone gets it but to say DFS players don’t care about ownership %‘s is incredibly incorrect in my opinion.

    The argument based on assumptions from this thread is that certain pro’s may already have this data while others do not. This action, provided this assumption is true, would level the playing field for those paying attention.

  • smh810

    Headchopper nailed it, I’m not a cynic and I dont believe the leak was malicious in any way but it underscores larger points that many have brought up. The leaders of the big two sites have to understand that everything they do is going to be scrutinized not by posters on a message board but by major political and media entities. The industry is not “that thing over there” anymore where issues like this never leave the forum. From this point forward, whenever mistakes happen it now runs the risk of gaining national attention, I look forward to Draftkings statement tomorrow and sincerely hope the sites have a firm PR strategy for dealing with the forthcoming scrutiny.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    The coincidence is he won a fortune on the week this situation happened….
    Too much at stake for DK to say an employee cheated so that admittance will never occur unless someone independently can prove this…
    Ethan may be innocent,however If he really did something shady, I doubt this will ever be announced.
    DFS is mainstream now,DK wont let Ethan take the industry down by admitting they caught him cheating,IF he really did..And that is the dilemma…
    Someone mentioned Maxdulury has access to owner% too.I dont personally know..
    So the cat might be out of the bag now…Sucks real bad if rumors are reality..

  • Putz

    @smh810 said...

    Headchopper nailed it, I’m not a cynic and I dont believe the leak was malicious in any way but it underscores larger points that many have brought up. The leaders of the big two sites have to understand that everything they do is going to be scrutinized not by posters on a message board but by major political and media entities. The industry is not “that thing over there” anymore where issues like this never leave the forum. From this point forward, whenever mistakes happen it now runs the risk of gaining national attention, I look forward to Draftkings statement tomorrow and sincerely hope the sites have a firm PR strategy for dealing with the forthcoming scrutiny.

    I hope you want something more than just a PR response. Dealing with symptoms is not the same as fixing the problem and preventing future occurrences.

  • mrchuffy

    @mellofellowsu said...

    I think you mean it would give pros less of an advantage. Those guys already know of the sleeper pick you’re talking about. It would give joe blow more of a chance, and that means more casual DFS money comes in. That’s the money the company wants.

    And just because people know percentages of those guys you’re talking about, doesn’t mean it will pay off. Like always sometimes they’ll hit and sometimes they won’t. Those guys that go around percentage hunting rather than making their own decisions will likely find their variance about the same as it is right now.

    Whatever you think of it, this type of information is going to become persistent public knowledge eventually. When Disney or some big corporation comes in to bear-hug DK or FD in a few years and they’re doing their pre-merger operations review, and they ask why ownership percentages are hidden, what good reason is FD/DK going to give them that ensures them that this is the best way for them to make money? Mind you, none of them care how much you or I research.

    You may play less if ownership percentages are known, I would play more quite honestly, and I think most people would play more as well.

    yeah let’s just get rid of the skill aspect of the game….I think this is a horrible idea.

    I really think if you work for a DFS site you should not be able to play DFS on any site. Also the data shouldn’t be available to anyone at any point until after lock/games complete, especially not someone writing an article that is not very important.

    It actually blows my mind that he was given this data to write an article, why can’t it wait until Tuesday?

    How many other DK employees could also access this data?

    How easy would it be for Ethan to send a text message to a friend on how low owned xxxxx is in the Sunday/Monday night game?

    I understand he doesn’t play on dk but how many people does he know that play on dk?

    This is a big deal and I hope the sites take the appropriate action because I love DFS and I don’t want to see the industry fall apart.

  • smutpeddlers

    @crazypaul said...

    To be fair Stevie, the last time there was a huge uproar (scripting being caught), FD & DK told us to wait for statements. Most of us backed off assuming the people scripting would be punished. Instead both sites changed their TOS to protect the big fish and to line their pockets even further so these massive tournaments could fill. I give the sites zero tolerance or trust. This has been a known issue for a week now, why wait til Monday to address it?

    The sites still aren’t policing their terms of service. Like you said it’s how they handle issues and these issues should never had been issues to start. I’m not trying to add fuel, but it’s not my fault their business is having issues and need to be fixed, before people jump down my throat. As a consumer, I expect you to have my best interest in mind, and this is not happening. Point Blank! These issues are issues that should never had been, EVER!

    Sorry if I’m beating a dead horse but I’m very perturbed with these two huge companies actions. Smh I’m not sure what DK can say tomorrow to make me feel better about the company.

  • Putz

    @MRCOOKONUTS said...

    The coincidence is he won a fortune on the week this situation happened….

    Interesting point. I wonder how much CSU won on other sites while working for Starstreet?

    When does Jon Bales get his DK data to write his books? Live or after the season ends?

    These are just two “pro’s” who MAY have access to data in some form or fashion. I’m not implying these folks are “cheating”, but is there any correlation with this type of data and using it to win on other sites? Maybe there is not.

    My stance is that if one person has access, everyone should, and employees should not have access to it until contests are over, then it should be released to the public.

  • mellofellowsu

    @mrchuffy said...

    yeah let’s just get rid of the skill aspect of the game….I think this is a horrible idea.

    I really think if you work for a DFS site you should not be able to play DFS on any site. Also the data shouldn’t be available to anyone at any point until after lock/games complete, especially not someone writing an article that is not very important.

    It actually blows my mind that he was given this data to write an article, why can’t it wait until Tuesday?

    How many other DK employees could also access this data?

    How easy would it be for Ethan to send a text message to a friend on how low owned xxxxx is in the Sunday/Monday night game?

    I understand he doesn’t play on dk but how many people does he know that play on dk?

    This is a big deal and I hope the sites take the appropriate action because I love DFS and I don’t want to see the industry fall apart.

    So exactly how would you remedy the situation in a manner that would give you complete confidence that no funny business is going on? I don’t see any other way around it. As long as there’s people that have to maintain these sites, this knowledge is going to be known to someone.

    I don’t see how banning DFS employees from playing on other sites is enforceable if I’m an employee. What are they going to monitor my computer activity while I’m at home? Or like you said, I could just pass along the ownership information to someone who can play. So then what does it turn into, my relatives and friends can’t play either?

    You can dislike it all you want but ownership percentages being persistent public knowledge is the way this is headed. With the current system in place, this won’t be the last time we hear of something like this.

  • Dleepi01

    Just wanted in on what could be the longest thread in RG history!

  • smh810

    @Putz said...

    I hope you want something more than just a PR response. Dealing with symptoms is not the same as fixing the problem and preventing future occurrences.

    Yes, I think the sites and the FSTA need to act on regulating themselves in some way before someone does it for them.

  • smutpeddlers

    I feel like I walked in on my wife cheating on me……

  • intimadator2007

    Now every time one of those dam commercials come on I’m gonna think about this thread. Dammit !

  • dude_abides7

    @crazypaul said...

    To be fair Stevie, the last time there was a huge uproar (scripting being caught), FD & DK told us to wait for statements. Most of us backed off assuming the people scripting would be punished. Instead both sites changed their TOS to protect the big fish and to line their pockets even further so these massive tournaments could fill. I give the sites zero tolerance or trust. This has been a known issue for a week now, why wait til Monday to address it?

    ^ Absolutely nailed it. Thank you.

    Unfortunately, DK & FD have failed this test in the past and I have no faith that tomorrow’s DK announcement will be anything more than the bare minimum response. They will say that they are putting in measures to prevent this data from being shared (which already should have been done BTW), they will say that there is no evidence to suggest any “intentional” data share occurred (without providing any proof that could be tracked and validated) and they will create a few $10K free rolls as an “Our Bad Guys” penance for being asleep at the wheel….once again.

    It isn’t, shouldn’t and won’t be enough. The ‘dye is cast’ as they say.

  • Putz

    @smutpeddlers said...

    I feel like I walked in on my wife cheating on me……

    Did you catch the early flight home from San Diego and have a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a magic show?

  • fishcakeking

    FCK

    This rabbit hole goes so deep. The follow up article to the original one posted by dfs report talks about how petrgibbons a top player on Draftkings is actually an executive at fanduel.

    My expectation is nothing material from DKs statement as the smart business move is to not say anything that would open you to litigation.

    These incidents will ultimately be citied as the reason dfs will be regulated by state and/or federal governments. The business has grown too arge to allow it to self regulate.

    FCK

  • dude_abides7

    @smutpeddlers said...

    I feel like I walked in on my wife cheating on me……

    Yeah, but in this case if your wife was DK, she would try and convince you that they were “just talking” while the guy she’s in bed with quickly maneuvers to zip up his pants.

  • dude_abides7

    @fishcakeking said...

    These incidents will ultimately be citied as the reason dfs will be regulated by state and/or federal governments. The business has grown to large to allow it to self regulate.

    Yup…“the God-damned plane has crashed into the mountain” this time and the industry (because of how shitty its been managed) deserves every bit of regulation it has coming to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lGGhHZSZs

  • smutpeddlers

    This was supposed to quote Putz…

  • Putz

    @MRCOOKONUTS said...

    Someone mentioned Maxdulury has access to owner% too.I dont personally know..

    Where was this published?

  • realdeals

    @blackcloud420 said...

    https://dfsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/PetrGibbons-RG.png

    So Top 50 Grinder and Top 10 TPOY player PetrGibbons is a Fanduel employee who sets the pricing for FD.

    He became a Top 50 grinder and a TPOY top 10 in only 5 months playing almost every sport at an elite level.

    Holy shit fellas.

    Personally, I don’t have a problem with the sites employees playing on other sites as long as they don’t have access to the players %s prior to all games being locked on that slate. Not many DFS players would quit playing to work in the industry. By not allowing them to play wouldn’t solve the entire issue as they could send their buddies the info.
    Like it has been mentioned numerous times in this thread the sites need to ensure the safeguards are in place. Ill keep an open mind to what dk has to say tomorrow.

  • Ross
    @Putz said...

    Where was this published?

    It wasn’t..
    Someone used Maxdualry’s name while trying to make a point earlier. It was clearly not an accusation.

  • deleted1017

    @realdeals said...

    Personally, I don’t have a problem with the sites employees playing on other sites as long as they don’t have access to the players %s prior to all games being locked on that slate. Not many DFS players would quit playing to work in the industry. By not allowing them to play wouldn’t solve the entire issue as they could send their buddies the info.
    Like it has been mentioned numerous times in this thread the sites need to ensure the safeguards are in place. Ill keep an open mind to what dk has to say tomorrow.

    And the thing is..no one truly knows what anyone has access to.

  • realdeals

    @Pitch12 said...

    And the thing is..no one truly knows what anyone has access to.

    True, hopefully they will ease our concerns. Not sure how they are going to prove it though. Also if I was an employee for the site and they said I couldn’t play anymore,I’d just have a buddy sign up and put my Lu’s in for me. I’m sure this is occurring in states and countries where it’s banned. No doubt that’s what I’d do if it was banned in FL. no way to prove It. Banning employees from playing on other sites doesn’t solve anything.

  • Gotembaseball

    I guarantee you if a full audit and investigation on both companies and their employees was done you would find both companies have rogue employees that break the rules and sell information to ‘Top Players’

    the rigging of sports betting happens because those with money and power approach those without money and offer large paydays to throw games. Thats why rigging college sports is much easier than rigging professional sports.

    In the DFS industry we have numerous people that work for these sites and do so for salaries that are likely under 75k per year. On the flip side you have guys that have 100K+ in play per night. You’d be an idiot to believe that these “Pros” havent at least thought of if not have actually approached these site employees offering large sums of cash to gain an advantage over other players.

    Follow the twitter handles of these sites and they are all buddy buddy with the top players. What would the NCAAA do if if Seth Russell was engaging and buddying up with members of the mafia or large athletic boosters? Would Red Flags be raised? Yes. and they should be.

    When I was in sales I learned this strategy early. I knew the best leads came from businesses calling in. The process in place was these call in leads were to be issued to the next person up. The good leads were worth 3-10k in commision to a sales rep so I figured I’d offer the receptionist lump sums of money to make sure I got the good leads. Because she was making $10 an hour this offer seemed like a great idea and of course she agreed.

    The scenario i just described happens now in all industries including DFS, and if you dont believe that you are neive beyond belief.

    I have zero knowledge of any cheating occurring but I’d beat dollars to doughnuts its happening and its happening a lot more than you think.

    DFS is a good ole boy network if you dont see that you need glasses.

  • poonwhipped1

    @smh810 said...

    Headchopper nailed it, I’m not a cynic and I dont believe the leak was malicious in any way but it underscores larger points that many have brought up. The leaders of the big two sites have to understand that everything they do is going to be scrutinized not by posters on a message board but by major political and media entities. The industry is not “that thing over there” anymore where issues like this never leave the forum. From this point forward, whenever mistakes happen it now runs the risk of gaining national attention, I look forward to Draftkings statement tomorrow and sincerely hope the sites have a firm PR strategy for dealing with the forthcoming scrutiny.

    No offense. But who gives a rats ass if it was a mistake. The fact of the matter is it happened. Actions have consequences. It seems to me that DK is rather lax in a lot of areas.

    The statement will be the same old typical spin. Blah it was a mistake blah blah in the future we will not blah blah allow this blah blah type of information out.

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