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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • Stonecoldnuts

    Its pretty simple…the sites have to come out and say from here on employees can not play dfs on any sites because of all the information they have access to. If they dont come out and do this then they lose all credibility moving forward…and open themselves up to more bad press and government intervention. I would gladly give up playing dfs if could have a good paying job in the industry…but it is probably too late and fanduel and draftkings deserve everything that is happening to them…its not Ethan’s fault..its the sites and their owners faults. There used to be pokerstars commercials on every second too….not so much anymore…..

  • bigticket

    Have any big networks pulled the plug on the DK/FD commercials yet?

  • codyallison1026

    Agreed shout out to DC who seems to be one of the FIRST high profile players to not SHILL himself out. The peoples champ.

  • jesse3250

    Don’t forget Enron!

  • XrayPunk

    Both sites start out giving players a bad taste in their mouth when EVERY ad says they will match your initial deposit, when in fact it’s not completely true. No one can read the minuscule disclaimer that flashes for a split second at the very bottom of the screen. I pointed some friends toward DFS and they all complained about the bait and switch. It came the point where I made sure and told new buddies exactly how it works. I wish they would really stop advertising like that because it seems to bring in their credibility right off the bat.

    I really hope this doesn’t kill the industry, because I like playing. They need to come forward with COMPLETE transparency as to all their employees DSF transactions. If they leave anything out, or twist things even negligibly, it will eventually come out and make thing worse.

    Remember, the cover up is ALWAYS worse than the crime.

  • frob2424

    Just an fyi… The reporter who wrote the NY Times article will be in Mike Francessa show on WFAN in NY at 1:20. Can listen online at WFAN.com

    Joining Francesa today:
    1:20p @joedrape on the #DraftKings / #FanDuel story

  • jesse3250

    This is a billion dollar industry. How can you say there is no incentive?

  • oilydave

    @jesse3250 said...

    Don’t forget Enron!

    Or Deflategate..

  • dude_abides7

    @shark61350 said...

    Remember the scripting issue? That was against their TOS & both denied its existence until it was proven here as fact. However, instead of honoring their contract with us & punishing the violators they choose to look the other way & change the rules to benefit their highest volume players. Can they really be trusted or competent to complete their own investigation?!

    FSTA, an advocacy group? Recognize any familiar names? http://fsta.org/about/fsta-board-of-directors

    This is the issue that stirs most of the “sane” objectors on this thread like me. The way they botched the scripting debacle as stated above has DIRECT RELATION to how this new “scandal” is being received.

    You need to realize that not everyone here is carrying pitchforks, bur rather carrying the belief that businesses need to treat their customersequally under the framework of their TOS. This is what represents best business practice. They have NOT done this and it’s why they are gonna get their bell rung.

    Once again, they deserve it. And to have the CEO’s sit on the board of your oversight committee is an absolute friggin joke.

  • padlock

    @MikeMineo said...

    this is a great point, and I wish I knew how many lineups he was putting in those days (any way to obtain that data?), because yes – if he’s putting in 500 lineups into each tourney then those results seem A LOT more realistic.

    I would just consider the run impressive even if he max entered every contest, though, which I highly doubt he did. I mean, it’s BASEBALL. off days happen due to the game’s volatility. I’m more shocked by the fact that he didn’t have ONE bad day, as opposed to the fact that he did so well.

    but yes, all the info isn’t here. i still am skeptical, but I’m going to take a step back from this “Ethan’s great run” topic and instead focus on what should be the issue, which is the sensitivity of data in DFS. my main concern is the potential for DK/FD employees to sell data (ownership %s, who a great player has ample exposure to, etc) to sharks seeking an advantage. without regulation I don’t see how this can be prevented, at least in terms of suppressing the understandable desire for an employee to earn a paycheck by copying and pasting 4-5 player names in gchat to a shark. imo a third party needs to be in place to store and facilitate this data to prevent potential internal fraud. even assuming Ethan did nothing wrong, these safeguards need to be in place for other and future employees.

    i guess multi entry is easier when u have his bankroll then?

  • budfox6

    Regulation and reform definitely coming…

  • budfox6

    CNBC going at it again…

  • mellofellowsu

    @Stonecoldnuts said...

    Its pretty simple…the sites have to come out and say from here on employees can not play dfs on any sites because of all the information they have access to. If they dont come out and do this then they lose all credibility moving forward…and open themselves up to more bad press and government intervention. I would gladly give up playing dfs if could have a good paying job in the industry…but it is probably too late and fanduel and draftkings deserve everything that is happening to them…its not Ethan’s fault..its the sites and their owners faults. There used to be pokerstars commercials on every second too….not so much anymore…..

    People really need to leave the poker stuff out of the DFS discussions. The two situations are nothing alike.

    USA Today never ran a real money poker site. Yahoo never ran a real money poker site. Instead these were some sites out of country that the A. the US wasn’t seeing any taxable revenue from and B. US had no ability to police, so they shut US customers out. It made perfect sense when you look back at it.

    They aren’t shutting anything down. A whole lot of you are just fearmongering.

  • dude_abides7

    @TheCoz said...

    Yup. ESPN is a hack organization. They don’t like to let the truth or facts get in the way of a good story. It is going to be a hatchet job.

    Would it make sense for them to do a “hatchet job” on themselves? ESPN is a huge investor in DFS and would literally be pissing on their own shoes here. It could be that they realize there is a real story here and they have the moral/ethical obligation to do the right thing?

    For disclosure: I hope (pray) they use factual information in this coverage. I welcome their investigative minds provided that they do so fair and equally to both sides.

  • alabama9608

    @bigticket said...

    Have any big networks pulled the plug on the DK/FD commercials yet?

    Why would they do that? They arent going to throw millions of dollars away. Plus ESPNs deal with draftkings requires them to spend most of ESPN’s investment on advertising on their stations.

  • poppaspicks

    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    This is about so much ¬more than one DK employee having ownership percentages and then spiking a big tourney on FD. Is that a big deal, if true? Sure. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. DFS is about one thing DATA. There’s a reason why advance data analytics models are used by many of the top players and its not because they like fucking around on computers all day. Its because you can make a very large amount of money when you apply the data correctly. Hence, the reason DFS is no doubt a game of skill.

    My issue isn’t with Ethan, its with DK and FD. The point about employees being able to be “bought” has already been brought up several times but I think it needs to be brought up again. I know that me personally, I would no doubt consider tossing someone a good chunk of change if they could provide me with certain types of data pre roster lock. Now have I done that? No. But would I, if it were an option? I’d definitely think about it. I’m pretty sure it’s not against FD’s terms of service to use DK info to make lineups, and vice versa. Of course, the site’s terms of service are pretty much the equivalent of a diaper in a landfill as was seen with the whole “Scripting” debacle…that’s another topic in and of its own.

    Bottom line, for someone like me that does this for a living, I’m extremely disappointed in this but not the least bit surprised. When you have the scripting issue which led to “”(player-popup)Channing Frye”:/players/channing-frye-1484” night (in fairness, I had him as well but its easier to edit 20-30 lineups than it is 200+) and then FanDuel’s REFUSAL to make a CSV file available after roster lock, I’m not surprised more stuff hasn’t come out that sheds a light on the “shady” side of the business.

    This is an opportunity for the sites to do what they’ve should’ve done long ago…and that’s LOCK DOWN THE FUCKING DATA and stop allowing such close interaction between people who are responsible for internal controls, and the “pros” that play this game for a living. When I’m going up against these “DK Pros” on weeks where I’m risking more than the average American makes in 6 months and sometimes a year; then see them on Sports Center (which just happens to be operated by a major DK investor) it makes me sick to my stomach. Do I believe these guys are fed insider info? I honestly don’t know and if I had to guess, I’d say no. But, to have any shred of doubt around their relationship with DK and how deep it goes with the people who have internal controls, is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE given what we now know. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having a “sales” relationship with the players from a customer service standpoint and that’s one thing that DK does VERY well. But, its time to end the data “leaks”. No more Bales’ books (great reads FYI) that are written BEFORE the data becomes public. No more “Playbooks” with ownership percentages until Tuesdays. And no more beating around the bush and trying to sweep shit under the rug. This industry is worth BILLIONS. Yes, that’s an “S”. If you want it to stay that way, treat it as such. Put in the controls that are needed to ensure that the integrity of the game is upheld ON ALL LEVELS.

  • alabama9608

    @bigticket said...

    Have any big networks pulled the plug on the DK/FD commercials yet?

    Why would they do that? They arent going to throw millions of dollars away. Plus ESPNs deal with draftkings requires them to spend most of ESPN’s investment on advertising on their stations.

  • stubbysooner77

    • 2015 DraftKings FCFWC Finalist

    But how deep does the conspiracy run? Julio Jones was very highly owned yet had a crappy game…coincidence? The problem I see with the insider trading charge is bottom line you still have to choose a lineup that doesn’t suck. I understand, if you have the data on how others are playing and see the ownership percentages in theory you could use this to gain an advantage. But you still have to hit on your lineup. I’m sorry I’m not wearing tin foil or feel a sense of betrayal. Maybe because I’m a positive guy, not a conspiratorial Trump supporter. I think DB summed it up about right in his podcast. Major sites, get your shit straight, use this as an opportunity to improve both public relations and site security. Personally in dealing with DK and FD as well as FantasyAces and others, I’ve found them to be customer friendly. So, I’m going to enjoy DFS for as long as it’s here and go back to my efforts to taking down a major CFB GPP.

  • donnybasbl

    @frob2424 said...

    Just an fyi… The reporter who wrote the NY Times article will be in Mike Francessa show on WFAN in NY at 1:20. Can listen online at WFAN.com

    Joining Francesa today:
    1:20p @joedrape on the #DraftKings / #FanDuel story

    That’s great, except for the fact that Francesa doesn’t let any of his guests talk and I’d bet you’ll hear at least 3-5 inaccuracies come out of Francesa’s mouth during the interview.

  • Wombat

    Would the sites even be able to effectively police employees from not playing on other sites?

  • davefulche

    Danny Tanner hard to get rid of that perception. When the CEO of FD spews non stop double talk and makes patently false statements about other forms of “gambling”.

  • skywalker

    I understand this thread is redundant.. but, I do think it is fair to address the people wanting to hear from the faces of the industry in regards to the DK Leak…

    The smartest move right now for the “pros” is to say nothing,for the same reasons you don’t see professional athletes commenting on debatable situations to the press. Between each “pros” individual partnership and RGs partnerships with almost all of the sites.. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by jumping the gun and becoming involved before the legitimate facts come out.

    Even though I think all of us would love to hear their thoughts, and appreciate the limited feedback we’ve seen from some of them, the “pros” are smart by keeping quiet right now and I would hope most people understand that.

    If this thread is too redundant feel free to delete it.

    Skywalker

  • MikeMineo

    @padlock said...

    i guess multi entry is easier when u have his bankroll then?

    the run is highly improbable regardless of his bankroll or number of entries, is my point. I have no issue whatsoever with high bankrolls or max entries. and is Ethan generally regarded as a max entry guy? idk, but I’ve never seen him mentioned alongside other high rollers until this debacle.

    is his success more probable if he put in max entries? absolutely. but I still can’t recall a run that hot in MLB, even from players who bet more than Ethan per night.

    yeah, I’ll see the likes of bcalicore, ehafner, etc absolutely kill it over a week-long period or whatever for MLB, but I don’t see them dominating every day over a month.

  • smutpeddlers

    I never knew that there was a fantasy board for oversight but the fact that the CEOs sit on it seems like a huge conflict of interest at first glance.

  • phillygamecox

    @padlock said...

    i guess multi entry is easier when u have his bankroll then?

    absolutely. if you see the big volume players putting in 200 lineups in a $27 mlb slate, the odds obviously increase that one of those lineups will crack top 5%. Now top 5% in a $27 tourney pays a heck of a lot more than top 5% in a .25 tourney. So, cracking the top 5% if you are putting in a couple hundred lineups a night—especially stack heavy baseball where all it takes is one team to go off—-can be done with a lineup or 2 each day. Think the opposite—he was in the top 5% with 2 of his lineups, but his other 198 lineups never sniffed that high.

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