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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • stlcardinals84

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    • 2018 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

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    @benapp said...

    I’m saying what everyone else is thinking/ knows.

    All of the top dogs had inside information.

    I can say WITH 100% FACT AND CERTAINTY that I have never ONCE had access to another person’s lineups or ownership data or anything “cheating” in nature.

    Stop it.

  • Ballin32

    Just play Double Up and cash games.

  • deerosa

    Amazing how one tweet just put the DFS World under the microscope.

  • thechampisback

    @benapp said...

    I’m saying what everyone else is thinking/ knows.

    All of the top dogs had inside information.

    So all the GPP’s you won on DS and DK you had inside info? Good job buddy

  • Dtayl913

    “Without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it’s time for us to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?”

    “Yes I would Kent.”

  • Z1DANIEL

    WTF?? I Love playing DFS . Put Ethan under a lie detector test. If he passes lets move on. If he fails fire him and tighten up any security holes. I never thought making 350 grand could be so horrific. I just hate to read on my Facebook page how this is all rigged by guys I used to trade with on the NYMEX back when there was open outcry. I know that they are not DFS players.but now those who might be open to playing DFS in the future will read this and stay far away. Fortune really has an Anti DFS bias. On Sunday I won a couple of dollars. I was watching Red Zone and the Rotogrinders Chat room and I had a BLAST. I would hate to lose that. Most of you guys remind me of traders and that is a compliment. This too shall pass. There is too much money invested and I know there are investors on the sidelines waiting to jump in.

  • ssmfour

    Shame on me for thinking the majority of the people on this site were rational

  • Gateman07

    • 2013 StarStreet NFL Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    I’m saying what everyone else is thinking/ knows.

    All of the top dogs had inside information.

    This might be the most ignorant comment in the history of Rotogrinders

    Edit – Not STLCards comment of course, rather the quote he was referring to, I just didn’t feel like spending an hour searching through the thousand comments on this thread to find the original quote

  • JimmyTango

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    Pot-stirring and witch hunting has ended up giving DFS a major black eye in the mainstream media.

    No. Management incompetence and questionable business practices have given DFS a major black eye in the media.

  • dude_abides7

    @budfox6 said...

    If I were their lawyers, I would tell them not to tweet or post to social media at this moment in time.

    Why would Al Smizzle need a lawyer at this time? Going underground, once again, adds to optics. I think he has no connection to this at all and should not be changing his social media patterns. Just my opinion.

  • jscott2493

    Wow, we’re supposed to be the knowledgeable people but some of these comments are making me dumber.

  • y2mulder

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    What we have to be careful of is that we don’t have all the answers. Pot-stirring and witch hunting has ended up giving DFS a major black eye in the mainstream media.

    Thats the biggest problem. When the answers have arrived, they have been horrible.

  • rpak1

    Sorry if this has already been addressed, but can someone explain to me why this is relevant strategically? The only things I have seen are the constantly re-hashed “oh he has the ownership percentages” so he must know who is a great play because of that. By that logic, how would he consistently be able to finish high over his DFS career? It’s also common knowledge that Milly Maker winners and even sometimes reg GPP is full of chalk AND low-owned.

    Pricing has been always pointed out in the past to be somewhat similar in terms of salary/cap pct% for both sites. That statistic is also relatively worthless without the knowledge of who the actual good plays are for each site. Obviously I am not a top Grinder if you peek at my profile but there is a set of parameters that most elite players seem to follow from what I can tell in my experience and exposure to $535s and $1060 over the baseball H2H season. Why has there not been any focus on the process of selection itself in discussing this issue? Why cant the narrative be that Ethan is just a very, very good player and that is why he has a job at DK? The leak itself I understand from a gaming strategy standpoint is wrong because late adds can be made.

    I would like to think DK and FanDuel are employing people who have experience with the actual activity of DFS itself in order to improve and make the game more competitive for all.

    I apologize if it is a slanted view but I am just incredibly confused at the outrage and steam this has picked up. As for the single-entry stuff, that’s for another time.

  • realdeals

    @Artino11 said...

    I agree. They should just show a live ownership percentage next to each player while you are drafting. That way everyone knows the ownership percentage of every player. It has no bearing on if the player will perform or not. Then there would literally be no way of cheating.

    This has been discussed about 50 pages ago. It would create a different issue.
    Dudes with scripts and have algorithms that factor in s can edit 500 lineups in seconds. I’d bet Max and others have algorithms with player %s, probably very close to being accurate, but they’d be a 100 accurate if live %s were shown. Block scripts and show live %s would be cool with me though.
    And to the original poster, it’s an advantage to know the players %s for obvious reasons.

  • theprodigy1

    Just some food for thought:

    If Ethan doesn’t finish second in the tournament and cash in $350K, does this story even get attention?

  • Agent47

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    We all know that there are issues that need to be addressed and fixed. The sites need to become more transparent in the interests of public perception and trust. Trust is paramount, and the masses are losing that trust right now. I get it.

    What we have to be careful of is that we don’t have all the answers. Pot-stirring and witch hunting has ended up giving DFS a major black eye in the mainstream media. There are ways to go about this constructively, and everyone has failed. The sites have failed, and everyone throwing out random theories has failed.

    Let’s hope the sites get their act together soon, but crackpot theories are simply serving to only do more damage to an already punctured wound.

    While some people have gone off the reservation with their theories and whatnot, I wouldn’t say that everyone has failed. I’ve seen many similar comments to my own from “regular guys” like me that enjoy DFS, have had some success, and want to keep playing but are troubled by incidents like this that suggest there could be some shady stuff going on.

    Most, if not all of us, work hard for the money that we put into these sites and have helped build these sites into the monsters they are today. In return, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for more transparency into what happened here and what will be done to prevent this from reoccurring in the future. Sorry, but a generic press release from yesterday with no additional follow-up and changes to procedures is not the way to handle it from where I’m sitting. And that’s regardless of whether Ethan cheated or not. The possibility that this could’ve happened should be enough of an impetus for these sites to take measures to prevent this from happening again in the future before they’re forced to do so by the government.

  • detroittigers44

    Al Smizzle ‏@AlZeidenfeld 3m3 minutes ago
    There’s a time for talking & a time for listening. Wild, rampant speculation/accusations have never helped anything. Only the facts matter.

  • Runantelope

    It makes it look more like gambling than a game if skill. If it’s gambling like you say it is comparing it to what happens in Vegas it gets shut down pretty quick.

  • JimmyTango

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    crackpot theories are simply serving to only do more damage to an already punctured wound

    Nonsense. If anything, the “crackpot theories” have inspired legitimate, reputable media outlets to investigate the issue. Which is a good thing.

  • mjroc

    I came in 3rd in a $100 11 man tourney last weekend. Hope I don’t get investigated!

  • MikeMineo

    it’s understandable to be angry and I’m with a lot of you on that, but there’s absolutely no way that “all the top dogs” are in on this. also, seems rash to call someone like einars a cheater just because you disagree with him. I disagree with several of his points too, but there’s absolutely no basis to call him a cheater.

    let’s try and stay away from this hyperbole so we can get to the meat of the issue, which is that without regulations in place (and a third party securely storing and facilitating that sensitive data), one is entirely valid to make the assumption that corruption is occurring. discussing this in a level-headed form, while dissecting all the available data (including the the hot run), is good as far as the intent to make the DFS industry a better one that isn’t ripe with potential deals akin to insider trading. but name-calling is just going to keep us going in circles.

  • sgaffney

    We’ve just seen an ESPN show use screenshots from RG. Numerous mainstream media outlets have reported false and harmful information, some of which might well have come from these boards. It’s becoming pretty clear that the blind speculation on this thread is effecting the industry.

    We all acknowledge there is a problem but the only thing blindly posting theories is doing right now is increasing the likelihood of us losing the ability to play DFS.

  • sutogame

    @theprodigy1 said...

    Just some food for thought:

    If Ethan doesn’t finish second in the tournament and cash in $350K, does this story even get attention?

    Yes there are articles on other people as well. This isn’t an isolated incident.

  • pinballmick

    @Artino11 said...

    I agree. They should just show a live ownership percentage next to each player while you are drafting. That way everyone knows the ownership percentage of every player. It has no bearing on if the player will perform or not. Then there would literally be no way of cheating.

    +1000 this is the best idea i have heard yet. lets make it fair for everyone to have the exact info
    and then will see who the best players are. This business of insiders from Draft kings
    playing on Fan Duel with insider info and stats and trends that the general public does not have
    has got to stop. Lets open the books give everyone the info and then the playing field will be fair
    and we can get back to playing DFS.

  • einars

    this thread is an amazing case study in mob mentality….it is amazing and depressing all at the same time

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